ASUS Announces ROG SWIFT PG278Q Premium Gaming Monitor

Bluesun311 said:
I find it amusing how many people are getting upset about Freesync.
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Why would anyone be upset about Freesync ?

The only amusing thing here is Freesync itself.

First it was freesync will be everywhere and current stuff will support it, then it turned out it actualy needs standard change and we will most likely need new displays.
Now with AMD FAQ You mentioned we got confirmation it will only work on 5 gpu models and older gcn cards even those sold today under new branding like 280X will get some pathetic power saving feature.

Wonder what else we will learn once it's actually released ?

I'd have sympathy for underdog if they weren't using their miraculous snake oil PR to cover their delays.

I saw enough AMD launches to learn to not trust anything they say until it's benchmarked and on shop shelves.
 
Seriously guys, maybe you should make another thread for Freesync debate. Or maybe admins could move that stuff to it as well as clean this thread out of all the "waiting for the display" stuff.
 
the.Doc7or said:
You're not going to get 144 fps in anything more intensive that CS:Source, but it'll still work.

Let's be honest though if your going to drop the dough on the monitor you should upgrade your gpu as well, there's no point in having a 144hz screen if you never see fps higher than 60.
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So, if I want to do this with BF4 + SC2, what should I do?

I can buy another 6990 (have one 6990 just for center monitor and the other for the 2 side monitors)

or I can sell my current 6990 and buy ....?
 
Michaelius said:
Why would anyone be upset about Freesync ?

The only amusing thing here is Freesync itself.

First it was freesync will be everywhere and current stuff will support it, then it turned out it actualy needs standard change and we will most likely need new displays.
Now with AMD FAQ You mentioned we got confirmation it will only work on 5 gpu models and older gcn cards even those sold today under new branding like 280X will get some pathetic power saving feature.

Wonder what else we will learn once it's actually released ?

I'd have sympathy for underdog if they weren't using their miraculous snake oil PR to cover their delays.

I saw enough AMD launches to learn to not trust anything they say until it's benchmarked and on shop shelves.
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Delays? You're pointing at AMDs delays in the Rog Swift thread. I just snorted a little while laughing.
 
bigdano said:
So, if I want to do this with BF4 + SC2, what should I do?

I can buy another 6990 (have one 6990 just for center monitor and the other for the 2 side monitors)

or I can sell my current 6990 and buy ....?
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I ebayed my 6990 awhile back. Bitcoin miners were going strong so it wasn't too hard to sell. I have a single 780ti sc acx right now but for the more modern demanding games on 2560x at 120hz you should really be using two 780ti's. I am trying to be patient and wait until the 800 series to do 2 card sli though personally. I still have a lot of games in my steam library that will run at high fps on my single 780ti (playing dishonored + dlc's atm among other things).

forums.evga.com GTX-780Ti-Benchmarks-1x4x-SLI-Work-in-Progress
 
elvn said:
I ebayed my 6990 awhile back. Bitcoin miners were going strong so it wasn't too hard to sell. I have a single 780ti sc acx right now but for the more modern demanding games on 2560x at 120hz you should really be using two 780ti's. I am trying to be patient and wait until the 800 series to do 2 card sli though personally. I still have a lot of games in my steam library that will run at high fps on my single 780ti (playing dishonored + dlc's atm among other things).

forums.evga.com GTX-780Ti-Benchmarks-1x4x-SLI-Work-in-Progress
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Im going to try it out just using a single 6990 and see how it performs. If its shit, Il buy another 6990. They are only going for 225 new now, so should be a cheap upgrade.
 
Bluesun311 said:
Delays? You're pointing at AMDs delays in the Rog Swift thread. I just snorted a little while laughing.
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What's with this "snorting while laughing" crap? Again can we take these GPU vendor wars outta here?

I looked up some dates because I was curious though:

Freesync announced:
Jan 7 (or 6th really)
PG278Q announced:
Jan 6

G-Sync announced:
Oct 13 2013

First G-Sync monitors for consumers:
Sometime within 3 months, either as preview models or modules you had to install yourself.
I'm not sure when the first pre-integrated monitors became available, it's hard to find dates.

First Freesync monitors for consumers or anyone but AMD at CES:
*Crickets, AFAIK*

I'm sure they have something, but one FAQ isn't very reliable evidence for anyone involved (or it shouldn't be).
 
http://videocardz.com/51117/exclusive-nvidia-geforce-gtx-880-released-september

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880, 4GB and 256b interface

We also got a word about the specs. It is yet unknown how many CUDA cores will 880 have (thus we are not sharing any numbers this time), but we were told that 256b interface is a fact. GeForce GTX 880 will most likely be released with 4GB GDDR5 memory on board. However, judging for the leaked pictures, we should also expect 8GB models. The only question is, who needs 8GB 256b card?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880 might be cheap(er)

GeForce GTX 880 might not be the fastest card out there, but it will not hurt your wallet — $400 – $450 is expected MSRP. Of course it is yet too soon to confirm the price, but it is unlikely that GTX 880 will cost $500.

From manufacturers perspective, GeForce GTX 880 is using very similar board design to GTX 770. GeForce GTX 880 is of course 780 successor, but it has more similarities to GTX 770 than GTX 780.
The difference between GTX 880 and GTX 770 boards is cosmetic. Thus, GM204 is basically a GK104 replacement. However, just because it’s a mid-range GPU replacement, It does not mean it will be slower than some GK110 cards. We do not know how fast GTX 880 is going to be, but it’s safe to assume it will sit above 780 and maybe even 780 Ti.
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StoleMyOwnCar said:
What's with this "snorting while laughing" crap? Again can we take these GPU vendor wars outta here?

I looked up some dates because I was curious though:

Freesync announced:
Jan 7 (or 6th really)
PG278Q announced:
Jan 6

G-Sync announced:
Oct 13 2013

First G-Sync monitors for consumers:
Sometime within 3 months, either as preview models or modules you had to install yourself.
I'm not sure when the first pre-integrated monitors became available, it's hard to find dates.

First Freesync monitors for consumers or anyone but AMD at CES:
*Crickets, AFAIK*

I'm sure they have something, but one FAQ isn't very reliable evidence for anyone involved (or it shouldn't be).
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Yeah but gsync isn't going to be a standard. Freesync has to wait for displayport 1.3 to come out correct?
 
These beasts are already out in the wild in the hands of some lucky souls so why are we not getting pages and pages of input, impressions, pictures and video??? Gaaahh its still the same ol same ole fresync, gsync INSYNC 98 degrees backstreet boys new kids on the block fiesta in here :p
 
wizzi01 said:
Yeah but gsync isn't going to be a standard. Freesync has to wait for displayport 1.3 to come out correct?
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I don't think "Freesync" itself is a standard no. I think it's very likely AMD proprietary software, and they did no R&D to actually make it a hardware solution that they could slap onto existing monitors. On the other hand, it's waiting on a standard from displayport to be implemented. I thought that was 1.2a which was already out in some monitors, but whatever:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/214
http://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/217

None of which was the point anyway. The question was regarding dates and delays and product launches. I was simply giving dates (some of which noticeably coincide if you haven't noticed) and pointing out that one solution actually exists and is/has been ready to buy while the other is... somewhere, and has been for longer than it took G-Sync to get rolling. Free or not. And again why the heck is this being discussed here? I know I'm not helping, but what's the point of bringing it up? I think the original question was whether ASUS saw one FAQ full of promissory notes and "got scared" and decided to change its pricing scheme. Which I simply thought was absurd, considering that the product it's competing against isn't out, and will not be out for... well who knows? Where is that 1440p freesync capable ulmb 144Hz premium tn panel gaming monitor? >_>
 
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l88bastard said:
These beasts are already out in the wild in the hands of some lucky souls so why are we not getting pages and pages of input, impressions, pictures and video??? Gaaahh its still the same ol same ole fresync, gsync INSYNC 98 degrees backstreet boys new kids on the block fiesta in here :p
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Exactly my thoughts. Instead the ol amd vs nvidia argument again.
 
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l88bastard said:
These beasts are already out in the wild in the hands of some lucky souls so why are we not getting pages and pages of input, impressions, pictures and video??? Gaaahh its still the same ol same ole fresync, gsync INSYNC 98 degrees backstreet boys new kids on the block fiesta in here :p
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Theres nothing I could say about it that wasn't covered extensively with charts and graphs on the tftcentral review, other than qualitative "feelings" about it.
 
Well some don't have them yet, so we have to argue. :D The beautiful thing here is that both AMD and Nvidia users (some are both at the same time!) want this monitor even though only one camp can make use of the special features. Of course hacked Lightboost will come for it. The nice thing is that Lightboost isn't really proprietary. Like, Eizo Turbo240 works fine on my 290s. From a display manufacturer's perspective it's better to be inclusive of both types of GPUs.

Of course it's "absurd" that Asus would drop the price of the display simply because of the release of the FreeSync FAQ. But then again, it seems absurd to me to drop the price of a display that has no competitor. Why would they do that? No one has given a plausible answer in my opinion. I'm sure it's not the FreeSyncFAQ but my "or maybe" hypothesis that started this off topic shitstorm was about the PRICE OF THE MONITOR. Not is Green or red your favorite color.

I think in a way it IS connected to the growing murmurs of "freesync is coming". Because the idea AMD seems to be pushing is that freesync is about saving MONEY (power is money). I think rather it is a recognition that to sell all of the monitors and not have them come back smelling like weed, they need to sell some of them to AMD users, and that they need to sweeten the deal a little to make that happen.
 
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Bluesun311 said:
Of course it's "absurd" that Asus would drop the price of the display simply because of the release of the FreeSync FAQ. But then again, it seems absurd to me to drop the price of a display that has no competitor. Why would they do that? No one has given a plausible answer in my opinion.
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StoleMyOwnCar said:
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If I had to think of a reason it might retail for less all the sudden, I'm guessing the unexpectedly high demand overseas is making them predict that they can sell more quantity here, too, especially if they decreased the price. That much is evident just by looking at this topic. They might be figuring that moving more quantity will outweigh the loss per unit. It would make quite a bit of sense, and looking at this topic it would be a good move by them. This can't cost that much in terms of raw materials, so they just need to make a profit considering setting up of manufacturing and R&D. Perhaps they can make a cheaper manufacturing system that will take a bit more R&D assuming it will sell more at the price point
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StoleMyOwnCar said:
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Along with that I'm gonna add that the US usually gets the better end of the stick in terms of prices I think (I'm pretty sure we're one of the largest consumers of anything in the world)? I just don't see how a simple FAQ with no substance would make ASUS change their pricing scheme. I highly doubt that has anything to do with it. If anything, it would be a large combination of factors where that might have been a (very) small consideration. Anyway, all of this is moot speculation. The reason doesn't matter because the end product doesn't change. You either think this worth it or you don't.

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I think I gave plenty of plausible reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
I'm no major in economics, but to elaborate a bit:
For instance, suppose that originally they assumed that it was going to be a low-demand product, so the optimal scheme would be to sell high at small quantities, but then they realized that projected demand would be higher than expected in the US based on demand in Europe. They adjusted projections and lowered the price to reach an equilibrium between a new projected supply and the new projected demand (or perhaps a more efficient manufacturing scheme which would increase supply at no cost to them or something, which would increase supply while keeping demand constant). Or, third, they realized that the price point of 650 would create a more optimal demand/supply equilibrium.

Competition is not the only reason to drop the price of something. As for how much money Freesync will save while being comparable, I as a consumer will have to see the first product it's incorporated into before deciding on that... and not for this topic anyway.
 
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Now we know it'll still be priced at $799..
 
Hm. That kind of mistake in a public place is gonna hurt them a bit. I'm still getting it at that price; I doubt the AMD folks here are, though.
 
LMAO i knew that $650 price was too good to be true. Asus is just dropping the ball all over the place regarding this monitor.
 
asperity said:
They just replied again:

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Now we know it'll still be priced at $799..
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Too bad. That puts it out of range for me. I use to be willing to spend tons of money on monitors but I keep my purchases at least $500 or under now.

I don't know.. maybe I'll make an exception. I keep seeing great things about this monitor..
 
TazmanianD said:
I prefer to play games in total darkness. Would this be something I should worry about with this monitor?
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Not at all, it's only noticeable on a black screen and I've never noticed it otherwise. Bonus, in total darkness the ULMB will look fantastic while you hail Satan or gaben or Carmack or whomever you prefer to worship in the dark!
 
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LMAO how bad at your job do you have to be... Why don't they hire someone who actually cares about their products enough to know what the heck anyone is talking about?
 
the.Doc7or said:
Not at all, it's only noticeable on a black screen and I've never noticed it otherwise. Bonus, in total darkness the ULMB will look fantastic while you hail Satan or gaben or Carmack or whomever you prefer to worship in the dark!
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I don't get the disdain for playing 1st/3rd person "three dimensional" perspective game world video games in the dark.

We watch movies in the dark in movie theaters for a more immersive (and higher contrast and saturation) experience.

Most people with home theaters watch visual tour de force movies in the dark when they are really set on a "movie night" viewing period.

Many of us would desire wider aspect high hz monitors. Since those aren't really available some people choose to suffer bezels in LLL eyefinity for immersion. In either case basically wanting to wall off a lot of their personal RL field of view with game world panels. Similarly people tend to enjoy very large televisions for a more immersive movie viewing experience in home theaters, and IMAX movie theaters are also a big draw for some people.

Not that I always use my pc or play pc games in the dark - but I do keep all direct light sources and windows behind the backs of my monitors when the room is lit/sunny. pc gaming in the dark is fine with me depending on the game and could even be superior just like the other non-gaming scenarios I mentioned are. Obviously it would help vs backlight strobing's dimming effect as well.

The oculus rift is going to be a complete blackout and I'm looking forward to that too.
 
Pestering them for every bit of info I can:

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Retailers I asked about are newegg, amazon, tigerdirect. Seems like first come first serve.
 
asperity said:
They just replied again:

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Now we know it'll still be priced at $799..
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That sucks, guess Im out. In a way Im relieved. Was really wanting a nice shiny new EVGA GTX 880 when they come out in September and was wondering how I was gonna pull off getting both but $800 is just too steep for my play budget so Ill just roll with my HP 25" a little while longer.
 
elvn said:
I don't get the disdain for playing 1st/3rd person "three dimensional" perspective game world video games in the dark
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It was mostly a joke. When you define your entire relationship with video games as being "in total darkness" you kind of characterize yourself and I was just playing along.

I'm not into the pitch black room, but I personally prefer to play with a good set of headphones set to full volume. Over the ear, open sound stage, no compromises. I value the soundscape over the luminous ambiance.
 
I made it this long without g-sync i certainly don't have to go into debt now.

I'll wait until I can get something for $400 at most.
 
yeah this monitor isnt worth the markup for gsync, i will wait until prices fall on gsync monitors before taking the plunge.
 
asperity said:
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Now we know it'll still be priced at $799..
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Pathetic, they don't even know their own prices.

Given how the release of this monitor has been handled so far, I'm gonna wait a couple months to make sure it doesn't have reliability issues.
 
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