New rig, does it worth to upgrade my EIZO?

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sblantipodi

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As title.
I'm going to built a new rig and I'm considering to buy a new monitor to upgrade my current
Eizo S2433W.

My current Eizo is a S-PVA with good color reproduction and a 0.11cd/m2 black while calibrated. 1100:1 contrast circa.

I use the monitor for:
1) coding
2) amateur photography,
3) gaming
4) internet

My monitor is excellent for the first two activities but there are better solution for the point 3 and 4.

The point 4 can be mitigated using an sRGB ICC profile, I create this profile with my Quato DTP94B colorimeter.

Is there an all round monitor that can replace my monitor giving me a significative boost in quality?

Black must not be higher than than 0.11cd/m2 and contrast not lower than 1000:1 and I want to pass the UDACT test with easy like on my current monitor.
http://www.dpsoftware.org/host/udact.pdf

I don't like 3D playing, I'm absolutely not interested in 120Hz, my eyes are lazy and they don't see the difference.
In any case I don't want to waste power boosting games at more than 60FPS.

What is the new monitor for me?
Does it have sense to upgrade the monitor or should I continue to use my Eizo?
 
If looking for a higher res, I guess one of the 27" 1440ps may be considered an upgrade. Something like the eizo 2736 since it's been stated it doesn't have traditional ips glow might be worth considering. Of course that is only if you plan to play games at that higher res.

No idea how well it does on the color accuracy thing though. If you have the desk space, you may be better off just going with two monitors, one for gaming and one for photography, as you'd want s-rgb for gaming/internet while photography probably would benefit from your current wide gamut.
 
I forgot to say that I'm not interested in a higher resolution, multi monitor or bigger size.

Current GPU aren't ready for 4k, differently from what nvidia is trying to say and 24" is enough for me since I use it on my desk.
A bigger monitor is more uncomfortable than others if seen nearly the noise.

What about some new NEC?
Eizo CX241 or the new Eizo foris?
 
I forgot to say that I'm not interested in a higher resolution, multi monitor or bigger size.

Current GPU aren't ready for 4k, differently from what nvidia is trying to say and 24" is enough for me since I use it on my desk.
A bigger monitor is more uncomfortable than others if seen nearly the noise.

What about some new NEC?
Eizo CX241 or the new Eizo foris?
 
My first question would be if you need wide gamut or not. If you require it for photography, you can knock off the foris lineup from your list.

Also keep in mind that many options will be 16:9 (such as the foris lineup), so make sure you are okay with going from 16:10 to 16:9. And you are also okay with IPS glow.

To be honest, if you don't want a higher res, and ghosting isn't a big issue to you based on your 120Hz comment, I'm not sure what benefit you are looking for in a new monitor as far as gaming goes.
 
Namelessme said:
My first question would be if you need wide gamut or not. If you require it for photography, you can knock off the foris lineup from your list.

Also keep in mind that many options will be 16:9 (such as the foris lineup), so make sure you are okay with going from 16:10 to 16:9. And you are also okay with IPS glow.

To be honest, if you don't want a higher res, and ghosting isn't a big issue to you based on your 120Hz comment, I'm not sure what benefit you are looking for in a new monitor as far as gaming goes.
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I don't need wide gamut but I like it and I want it.
I like 16:10, 16:9 cuould be ok but I prefer 16:10.
IPS glow could be ok since I leave with PVA color shift.

Improved "ghosting management" is always appreciated.
 
You actually probably don't want wide gamut at all.

Wide gamut is Adobe RGB colorspace territory and isn't for gaming or web material. It's really only for printing/publishing graphic art. If you had wanted wide gamut you would have said so and you would have a wide-gamut video card like a FirePro or Quadro. Not sure why that got put in the mix.

You are clearly asking for another VA panel if you want contrast ratio post calibration to be 1100:1+ and black level so low. IPS/PLS/TN will not do these things, especially not the deep black level. You MIGHT be able to find an IPS that had as high as 1150:1 CR if you cherry picked one out of buncha of units. Realistically you will find post calibration CR on any PLS IPS to be 800:1-900:1 *at best*.

The best VA on the market at 24" 1080p is probably the Eizo FG2421 and even though it's a 120Hz capable monitor we have one running at 60Hz and it looks great. Actually framerates drop as low as the 30s and it's fine. Just because it's 120Hz doesn't mean you HAVE to run it that way. But you could actually try 120fps and 120Hz in your own home and come back and try to tell me you can't see the difference. I'd be surprised but I'd live with it. These units have contrast ratios post calibration in the 4000:1-5000:1 range and even higher depending on your desired brightness. They do some weird little things and I would never ever buy an Eizo from anywhere I couldn't return it easily and for free because they just don't seem to try very hard on QC. A good FG2421 is worth more than they are selling them for, imo.
 
The Eizo FG2421 may make sense if the OP was going with a dual monitor setup. The problem (at least if it was me), is he'd be going from 24" 16:10 to 23.5" 16:9, so will end up with a bit less screen real estate vertically.

He may be able to squeak by with an IPS model and get the contrast/black levels he wants, but it may be hit or miss, like you say.

I'll assume the OP has also seen IPS glow firsthand. It's not the same as VA color shift. I have a S-PVA and color shift is a minimal issue (unless you sit at really weird angles), when compared to IPS glow. On some IPS panels, you'll see glow regardless of your viewing position.

The only real advantage to upgrading probably would be a lighter screen coating, but I'm not sure if that is an issue with the OP or not. You can get deeper blacks (at the cost of vertical space) with less ghosting, so it could be worth considering. Again, not sure how you'd like 16:9 on a bit of a smaller screen though.

If for some reason you absolutely want wide gamut, with minimal glow, you'd probably be looking at one of the high end Eizos. Not so sure you'd get the contrast levels you want, nor if it's really worth the money.
 
i don't really get it; why do you think you should upgrade anyway if you don't want a bigger size or higher resolution?
if you are happy with your current monitor why waste money on something new which will also have flaws?
 
Ashratt said:
i don't really get it; why do you think you should upgrade anyway if you don't want a bigger size or higher resolution?
if you are happy with your current monitor why waste money on something new which will also have flaws?
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I don't want to upgrade, I'm evaluating the possibility of an upgrade.
My monitor have three years, is not young, is there a 1920x1200 monitor that boost the specs of my monitor?

I would like better contrast, lower color shift and faster response.
 
sblantipodi said:
I don't want to upgrade, I'm evaluating the possibility of an upgrade.
My monitor have three years, is not young, is there a 1920x1200 monitor that boost the specs of my monitor?

I would like better contrast, lower color shift and faster response.
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Simple answer is, if looking for deep VA blacks + IPS quality color shift + really great response times + wide gamut + 16:10, all in one monitor, it doesn't exist.

You'd have to make some tradeoffs somewhere.
 
A glow free IPS panel like the CX241 has similar contrast, no corner glow (VA panels are not glow free), better colors and faster pixel response times. The CX241 is a CG246 (PRAD's Review) with a few less features.

My Qnix QX2710 uses a glow free PLS pane like the EV2736W (900-1100:1 contrast, mine has a 1100:1 contrast ratio) and the blacks in the bottom corners looked deeper than the VA panel I compared it to (Samsung S27C750P) which had a 4,800:1 contras ratio after calibration (@140cdm/2) when viewed from 45-60cm away.
 
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NCX said:
A glow free IPS panel like the CX241 has similar contrast, no corner glow (VA panels are not glow free), better colors and faster pixel response times. The CX241 is a CG246 (PRAD's Review) with a few less features.
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That model probably would be one of the few that hit on most of the things the OP wants, but he also stated he wanted improved contrast. I think that Prad review hit around 820:1ish on contrast? He may be able to still get 1000+:1, but it could be hit or miss there. He's currently getting 1100:1 contrast.

He also stated glow wasn't a big issue for him, so not sure if it'd matter enough for a $1200+ upgrade. Although I do wonder if A-MVA glows more than S-PVA now ... as I have an S-PVA (as does the OP) and it doesn't have any glow really.
 
Namelessme said:
That model probably would be one of the few that hit on most of the things the OP wants, but he also stated he wanted improved contrast. I think that Prad review hit around 820:1ish on contrast? He may be able to still get 1000+:1, but it could be hit or miss there. He's currently getting 1100:1 contrast.

He also stated glow wasn't a big issue for him, so not sure if it'd matter enough for a $1200+ upgrade. Although I do wonder if A-MVA glows more than S-PVA now ... as I have an S-PVA (as does the OP) and it doesn't have any glow really.
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infact I cannot see any glow while working on my monitor, a little bit of color shift on some colors.
I'm quite unsure if an upgrade is worthing the money, probably CX241 could be the answer.

What is the difference between CX240 and CX241?
 
sblantipodi said:
infact I cannot see any glow while working on my monitor, a little bit of color shift on some colors.
I'm quite unsure if an upgrade is worthing the money, probably CX241 could be the answer.

What is the difference between CX240 and CX241?
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I think the CX240 uses fans... thought I read somewhere that the 241 doesn't, but could be wrong there. Otherwise, not sure what the differences are.

Yeah, I do see a bit of color shift at the edges of my S-PVA too, but it's pretty minimal unless I sit in a weird position. I never have seen any glow, or at least what is considered typical glow, on S-PVA or PVA. A-MVAs may be different there, I guess?

One other thing to keep in mind, which I assume isn't an issue for you since you didn't bring it up -- PWM. If I was looking for an upgrade, I'd want a PWM-free monitor. Not sure if the high end Eizos use PWM or not, so check first, if you want it.
 
Namelessme said:
I think the CX240 uses fans... thought I read somewhere that the 241 doesn't, but could be wrong there. Otherwise, not sure what the differences are.

Yeah, I do see a bit of color shift at the edges of my S-PVA too, but it's pretty minimal unless I sit in a weird position. I never have seen any glow, or at least what is considered typical glow, on S-PVA or PVA. A-MVAs may be different there, I guess?

One other thing to keep in mind, which I assume isn't an issue for you since you didn't bring it up -- PWM. If I was looking for an upgrade, I'd want a PWM-free monitor. Not sure if the high end Eizos use PWM or not, so check first, if you want it.
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Wow, cool!
I don't knew that CX240 used fans.

Is there someone who can confirm that CX241 don't use fans?

What do you mean for PWM? What is a PWM in this case?

Thanks.
 
sblantipodi said:
Wow, cool!
I don't knew that CX240 used fans.

Is there someone who can confirm that CX241 don't use fans?

What do you mean for PWM? What is a PWM in this case?

Thanks.
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I could be getting my models mixed up, so yeah, definitely doublecheck or contact Eizo as to if it uses fans or not... and noise levels if it does.

PWM = pulse width modulaton. It can bother some people with LED panels, cause headaches/eyestrain and such -- it basically relates to flicker. Eizo does make some models that don't use it, but not sure what their highend models use.
 
Namelessme said:
I could be getting my models mixed up, so yeah, definitely doublecheck or contact Eizo as to if it uses fans or not... and noise levels if it does.

PWM = pulse width modulaton. It can bother some people with LED panels, cause headaches/eyestrain and such -- it basically relates to flicker. Eizo does make some models that don't use it, but not sure what their highend models use.
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interesting, last time I bought the monitor I don't remember that there was this problem.
is this a "new problem" bringed by LEDs?
 
Seems like CX241 has colornavigator software, CX240 doesn't.

CX240 has noisy fans for sure. The CX241 seems to be light according to specs, so it might not have them.

I still like my CX240 a lot, but I wish the CX241 was available when I bought it...
 
Lebowsky said:
Seems like CX241 has colornavigator software, CX240 doesn't.

CX240 has noisy fans for sure. The CX241 seems to be light according to specs, so it might not have them.

I still like my CX240 a lot, but I wish the CX241 was available when I bought it...
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I'm quite bothered from the EIZO way of producing a new monitor every year.
I know that all consumer brands do the same but EIZO CX and CG are not consumer monitors and EIZO is not born as a consumer brand.
 
according to press release (http://www.eizo.co.uk/CG247-CX241.html) it seems like they are using new panels?

regarding fans, I think only older CX240 have noisy fans, newer ones are silent.

looks like CX240 price also has decreased since CX241 announcement. if price is a factor, I would get CX240 again, otherwise CX241.
 
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