HardUp4HardWare
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I hate stuff like this.
Why not, "Can you actually do this job?"
Why not, "Can you actually do this job?"
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That one is actually transcribed poorly.
The actual question, or at least the original riddle, is, "How do you cut a circular cake into eight equal pieces with only three cuts?"
Still one of the easiest questions of the bunch, but the way the article worded it made it sound absolutely trivial.
probably because at this level of job applicants every one of them can *do* the job. they're trying to find who can do it the best or in a novel wayI hate stuff like this.
Why not, "Can you actually do this job?"
I hate stuff like this.
Why not, "Can you actually do this job?"
Worse yet, they lie to themselves. An old buddy left us for NASA, but it was hilarious as he only lasted two weeks, and always was a bit of a tard. Turns out he really did think that because he did basic things like reset SAP passwords and enter server addresses and what not, that he was a "SAP Administrator that configured servers". Technically its not a lie, but yeah their expectations where no where near his implied skillset, LOL!Because people lie.
You realize you are picking and choosing between posts on different pages talking about different things.....mope54 said:In this post he claims that, not only do Blacks score poorly across all standardized tests, but that this "fact" demonstrates their validity and that any "deficiencies" need to be addressed are culturally based. His conclusion is that Blacks are culturally unmotivated to apply themselves to their work and that they perceive deadlines as unimportant.
Will you stop with this childish plurality debate tactic? That is something children use when they can't defend their position, so they create this image of "well EVERYONE is wearing this to school dad" to validate their case. Besides, its a fiction bullshit falacy since the flack I got was from the recruiting manager in HR I run these things by to ensure we don't endanger the company legally. Some things that seem like innocent and pertinent questions should be phrased carefully.mope54 said:I think the real question is why you, a mid-level manager at best, continue to argue against your entire upper management
the question figure should be a complete square, but it is missing a 3-unit piece. Which 3 unit piece is it missing?
Christ, everything is racist now. *bonks head on table* And what does this even mean:see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co
Thinking that issuing IQ tests will offer legal protection sounds severely misinformed.
Milk fox what who?"Congress has now provided that tests or criteria for employment or promotion may not provide equality of opportunity merely in the sense of the fabled offer of milk to the stork and the fox."
Da fug, how is that racist requiring a minimal level of formal education (highschool is FREE) and giving preference to employees (regardless of race) that scored highest on standardized tests? That is the definition of NOT RACIST, since you're looking merely at results blindfolded and not at the color of skin. My brain... owwwwww....Black applicants, less likely to hold a high school diploma and averaging lower scores on the IQ tests, were selected at a much lower rate for these positions compared to white candidates.
We don't issue them at all, but I suggested it as a means to expand the interview in an objective and quantifiable way to go along with the existing quiz I made and regular face-to-face interview process, and it was shot down. We do issue a work related short proficiency quiz that is directly related to the daily tasks for the position, and that was a huge help as prior to that we had hired some full on retards based on their assurances of a high level of proficiency in various fields.From your posts it sounds like this is a practise that you came up with yourself.
Have you consulted with the HR department, or been advised by legal?
We don't issue them at all, but I suggested it as a means to expand the interview in an objective and quantifiable way to go along with the existing quiz I made and regular face-to-face interview process, and it was shot down. We do issue a work related short proficiency quiz that is directly related to the daily tasks for the position, and that was a huge help as prior to that we had hired some full on retards based on their assurances of a high level of proficiency in various fields.
They are some of the most highly paid and sought after jobs in tech. I'm sure you know better than them though.
That's quite an accomplishment to have made those comments at 7:45 yesterday morning a full six hours before Gigantopithecus posted his comment about cultural issues with IQ tests.3) The cultural comments were regarding the post where someone else said things as simple as the color green, a circle, or the number 17 are technically cultural constructs that some cultures may not understand. At no point did I somehow imply black people don't know what a circle is... wtf? Thats a separate discussion, and my retort is that any culture so backwards as to lack an understanding of colors, basic preschool shapes, and numbers (whatever hypothetical BS culture that is) is going to have a measurable mental deficiency, and the test will only illustrate that. I don't believe the IQ test is culturally biased in any real sense, such as having questions that require say a knowledge of American pop culture to answer. The question: "What was Babe Ruth known for", isn't a good memory test because a genius level Chinese guy may have no clue who that was, but there are no such culturally biased questions on the primary accepted IQ testing standards in distribution.
That's quite an accomplishment to have made those comments at 7:45 yesterday morning a full six hours before Gigantopithecus posted his comment about cultural issues with IQ tests.
No, you have the facts backwards again. You initially posted that black people score lower on standardized tests across the board (and you continue to repeat that spurious claim to support your inaccurate assessments about black people, in general) because you think they're lazy and don't care about finishing tasks on time :roll eyes:
Gigantopithecus and I responded to your nonsense by correcting your misunderstanding about IQ tests and what they can and can not measure.
"If you were given a box of pencils, list 10 things you could do with them that are not their traditional use."
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Don't be a douchebag, I said no such thing. But I suppose if you can't argue based on merit, then a useless character assasination putting words in people's mouths is the next obvious choice... Wasn't it you that said that all jews should be put in ovens? I'm not saying you did, just asking questions.... what a fun debate tactic. *sigh*You initially posted that black people score lower on standardized tests across the board (and you continue to repeat that spurious claim to support your inaccurate assessments about black people, in general) because you think they're lazy and don't care about finishing tasks on time :roll eyes:
Of course it doesn't form the basis of why he thinks it's a valid test of intelligence or why he wants to use it on prospective employees. I never made that claim.Although Ducman is more than capable of defending his position I don't see his interest in IQ testing as having racial overtones ... I don't agree with using IQ testing myself but I am not opposed to testing, in general, as a weeding out element to focus hiring on the best candidates
The problem with IQ tests are people that don't like the implications of the test as a matter of principle, especially the fact that african-americans tend to score quite poorly as a group average, but that's true of all standardized tests from state level proficiency tests to ACT and SAT tests for college applications, demonstrating it is valid and there is a defficiency in some testing groups that needs to be addressed, not all standardized testing brought into question. The only cultural factors involved in IQ testing are those that are involved in timed testing in genera. For people that come from a culture where time and deadlines are unimportant or who are unmotivated to apply themselves in testing will do poorly, but these type of cultural traits are undesirable in virtually every business environment where time is money and self-motivation to achieve customer driven metrics is crucial.
I'm merely quoting your own words, which is something you won't be able to do in order to make up that inflammatory sentence that I never wrote nor even came close to writing.Don't be a douchebag, I said no such thing. But I suppose if you can't argue based on merit, then a useless character assasination putting words in people's mouths is the next obvious choice... Wasn't it you that said that all jews should be put in ovens? I'm not saying you did, just asking questions.... what a fun debate tactic. *sigh*
His interest in using IQ tests for employment are a separate issue from his racists beliefs that blacks score poorly on IQ tests because they're lazy and don't care about deadlines.
You know the number 1 reason why the western world is losing its competitive edge? We hold bullshit artists and smooth talkers in higher regard than people who can actually get things done.
Did you even read the about the case? The company had a specific policy of not hiring blacks outside of the labor department and *selectively* used IQ and diploma requirements as a means to enforce this. Yes this is racist.Christ, everything is racist now. *bonks head on table*
I guess you aren't familiar Aesop's fables, nor could be bothered to read the embedded link.And what does this even mean:
Milk fox what who?
1) Again, go back and read the link. It was not applied regardless of race - it was applied selectively.Da fug, how is that racist requiring a minimal level of formal education (highschool is FREE) and giving preference to employees (regardless of race) that scored highest on standardized tests?
yeah, I would fail the first round. I can't answer that shit. I wouldn't even get the secretary job.
1. Stab people in the eye.
2. I can't think of anymore.
3. nope. drawing a blank.
4. nothing's coming to me.
yeah, I would fail the first round. I can't answer that shit. I wouldn't even get the secretary job.
1. Stab people in the eye.
2. I can't think of anymore.
3. nope. drawing a blank.
4. nothing's coming to me.
"How would you solve problems if you were from Mars?"
Reply: How do you take yourself seriously asking such asinine questions?
challenge someone to a duel (with dull pencils, of course)
History, i doubt they used precast boxes much to make old sewer pre 20th century. Then again i've seen stairwells instead of just ladders and the manhole cover being square or octagon as well. Likely it's various circumstances that lead to round manhole covers being common place.Manholes aren't drilled, they use precast boxes and pipe, then are back filled with dirt and gravel. Don't call us, we'll call you
You think much like i do my first question to that question is well you're leaving out alot of variables else it just seems like a shot in the dark.What variant? How much fuel? How many passengers? What seating layout? How much cargo is on board? Is it pulling negative Gs?
Reply: I'm unable to represent the answer with this primitive human body."How would you solve problems if you were from Mars?"
Reply: How do you take yourself seriously asking such asinine questions?
Depends what you mean by break a clock, am i being insidious about this? if so what kind of clock is this, if mechanical i'll just take it apart and heat up and ruin a spring put it back together and watch it run slower. If electrical i'll replace any parts with subpar parts so it becomes a fire hazard. Really without knowing my motivation for breaking this clock what's how do i know what direction i should take breaking it. If my only motivation is to impress you why do i believe that breaking a clock creatively will impress you, what sort of weirdo am i?Clearly, the most creative way to destroy a clock would be to push Flavor Flav off a cliff.
Hire me Google. I think on the outside of the boxes.
The answer is D each row and column contains / \ | -. D is the only answer that continues that, although that's the simple answer there might be an accidental patter in the other answers.dafuq?
Easy it into 8 pieces, doesn't matter because all the pieces of cake are equally delicious.That one is actually transcribed poorly.
The actual question, or at least the original riddle, is, "How do you cut a circular cake into eight equal pieces with only three cuts?"
Still one of the easiest questions of the bunch, but the way the article worded it made it sound absolutely trivial.
Easy it into 8 pieces, doesn't matter because all the pieces of cake are equally delicious.
what's the answer to that? fold it in half and cut two diagonals with a vertica line?That one is actually transcribed poorly.
The actual question, or at least the original riddle, is, "How do you cut a circular cake into eight equal pieces with only three cuts?"
Still one of the easiest questions of the bunch, but the way the article worded it made it sound absolutely trivial.