BMW and Daimler Working on Wireless Charging for EVs

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The next logical step for electric vehicles is being explored by two German auto manufacturers. BMW and Daimler are jointly developing a drive-over wireless charging system for electric vehicles. Maintenance is already simplicity personified on electric vehicles and removing the last vestige of manual power charging may be the added incentive to entice future buyers.

BMW and Daimler’s charging tech works in the same way wireless cell phone chargers do, just on a larger scale. An alternating magnetic field transmits energy between two sets of coils: one mounted onto the car’s parking area (usually a garage floor), and a secondary coil on the vehicle itself.
 
I have always wondered about the efficiency of wireless charging. Is there significant electricity waste as compared to copper wire?
 
I have always wondered about the efficiency of wireless charging. Is there significant electricity waste as compared to copper wire?

Yes there is. I don't think most wireless chargers are even close to 95% efficiency, which means we want to go "green" with EV cars, but waste at least 5% extra power to charge them, which gets even worse as temperatures lower. Great idea, wait, no.
 
Complete nonsense. The problem with electric vehicles has NOTHING to do with the inconvenience of plugging the car in.

The problems are:
1) Range
2) Cost
3) WHERE can you plug in?

I don't see wireless charging being cheaper, so that screws the cost factor. And regarding the where, at least with wired systems you could have a spooled power cord so if you can't fit both cars in the garage you could at least drag a wire out there to plug it in. With a wireless system built into the floor, that's no longer an option.

Focus money on where it needs to be spent, cheaper higher capacity batteries.

But honestly the whole electric car thing is just a circle jerk for overprivileged people that consume vastly more resources than the average world citizen to feel like they are "saving the planet" and are morally superior to everyone else. Hybrids make far more sense right now, and battery technology will continue to develop in hybrids and in other electronics from laptops to phones regardless, and provide a smooth transition to the day when purely electric vehicles are actually economically feasible.
 
*shrug*

I'll drive a pure EV vehicle but I'm more inclined to purchase an extended range EV like the Leaf first. I'd be more inclined to purchase a Tesla right now if there was a more reliable way to get power to it. I don't mind having to get out of my car to plug it in.
 
Yes there is. I don't think most wireless chargers are even close to 95% efficiency, which means we want to go "green" with EV cars, but waste at least 5% extra power to charge them, which gets even worse as temperatures lower. Great idea, wait, no.

extremely close range inductive charging is mid 80s as far as efficiency, but at that point you're plugging something in, you just don't have any conductors that are exposed. The efficiency drops like crazy though as you get farther away, and when you're talking about high power loads to charge cars up you're talking about very hot floors... expect your pets to take a nap under your car due to the warmth :D
 
I'll drive a pure EV vehicle but I'm more inclined to purchase an extended range EV like the Leaf first. I'd be more inclined to purchase a Tesla right now if there was a more reliable way to get power to it.
But why? Is it to be "green"? If so, you could theoretically buy a Prius C for $20K, and invest the $58K price difference to a Tesla by sending $10K to the World Wildlife Fund, $10K to National Geographic, $10K to Ducks Unlimited, $10K to Adopt a Forest, and the remaining $18K to doing energy efficiency upgrades to your home. Tesla owners aren't really about being green, but about making a statement when driving to their 15K square foot home and burning through resources and producing more waste quicker than most Americans can imagine. ;)
 
Waste of electricity for an extremely small and dubious level of convenience, and additional equipment that must be carried around in the car itself. This technology should die a painful death.
 
But why? Is it to be "green"? If so, you could theoretically buy a Prius C for $20K, and invest the $58K price difference to a Tesla by sending $10K to the World Wildlife Fund, $10K to National Geographic, $10K to Ducks Unlimited, $10K to Adopt a Forest, and the remaining $18K to doing energy efficiency upgrades to your home. Tesla owners aren't really about being green, but about making a statement when driving to their 15K square foot home and burning through resources and producing more waste quicker than most Americans can imagine. ;)

Because is smokes a Ferrari.
 
Because is smokes a Ferrari.
No it doesn't. The 4,700 pound massive tank that handles like ass smokes itself attempting to smoke a Ferrari. Wonder what the laptimes are for the Tesla around the ring? How about "did not finish, smoked itself": http://ecomento.com/2014/07/10/tesla-model-s-overheats-tackling-nurburgring/

The Tesla Model S’s potential as a rewarding track-day car is limited. It’s too heavy, has inert steering feel, and is severely hindered by a lack of mechanical grip, relying instead on complex electrical systems to keep it on the straight and narrow.

As for the all important lap time? The Model S went into reduced power mode about a third of the way into the 14-mile lap, something Holland attributes to overheating the battery-pack after asking too much of it.

There is no chance in hell that it could keep up with a $45K base C7 Corvette that has ample power, a far superior suspension, far better brakes, is properly balanced, and weighs a whopping 1500lbs less.

To put that into perspective, the Corvette would have to be towing 16 foot Rebel sailboat behind it to equal the weight of a Tesla with its heavy ass batteries.
 
But why? Is it to be "green"? If so, you could theoretically buy a Prius C for $20K, and invest the $58K price difference to a Tesla by sending $10K to the World Wildlife Fund, $10K to National Geographic, $10K to Ducks Unlimited, $10K to Adopt a Forest, and the remaining $18K to doing energy efficiency upgrades to your home. Tesla owners aren't really about being green, but about making a statement when driving to their 15K square foot home and burning through resources and producing more waste quicker than most Americans can imagine. ;)

hur hur hur yeah if you want to be green you could invest 57k into a personal trainer and workout regime and 1k into a bicycle and just bike your way to work with your newfound physique.

Tell me something, how do you think the Prius came to exist? Was it because someone evaluated the cost efficiency as such and decided that this kind of technology was the most useful expenditure of their funds? No. People started buying it at a net loss to help push the technology forward.

Guess what Elon's future Tesla's are supposed to achieve? 200 mile range for under $50k. Guess how he'll get there? From people investing in this technology TODAY at a premium. I know I know it's fun to sit there and argue about everything you can and some thinly veiled attempt to mock early adopters. I'm sure there's a "liberal this" and "obama that" jab just waiting to pop out of you. Tesla owners are not about "making a statement". Project much? I wonder how much you would pay to install smoke stacks on your car to spew out thick black smog just for the lulz.
 
But why? Is it to be "green"? If so, you could theoretically buy a Prius C for $20K, and invest the $58K price difference to a Tesla by sending $10K to the World Wildlife Fund, $10K to National Geographic, $10K to Ducks Unlimited, $10K to Adopt a Forest, and the remaining $18K to doing energy efficiency upgrades to your home. Tesla owners aren't really about being green, but about making a statement when driving to their 15K square foot home and burning through resources and producing more waste quicker than most Americans can imagine. ;)

I'm not sure what you are trying to get across here.
 
Tell me something, how do you think the Prius came to exist? Was it because someone evaluated the cost efficiency as such and decided that this kind of technology was the most useful expenditure of their funds?
Yes.
Guess what Elon's future Tesla's are supposed to achieve? 200 mile range for under $50k. Guess how he'll get there?
By waiting for battery technology improvements that are achieved from a multi-trillion dollar electronics industry that relies on battery development, and car applications that are put into use in tremendously greater numbers in hybrid vehicles. Those hybrid vehicles will smoothly transition from less and less ICE power and more and more battery power as the technology matures... course I've already said that, which you ignored.
Tesla owners are not about "making a statement". Project much? I wonder how much you would pay to install smoke stacks on your car to spew out thick black smog just for the lulz.
My primary mode of transportation gets 55mpg on regular, and cost $7K out the door, thanks. The Honda NM4 I'm considering as a replacement gets 65mpg. I also donate to wildlife charities as well as my local shelters, and am a strong proponent of conservationism. I'm just not such a tool to not realize that you can't make ANY significant difference in the environment unless your technology can be adopted on a wide scale, and that vehicles like the Tesla are an exercise in environmentalist masturbation where "feels" trump reality, and is in no way necessary for the advancement of battery technology.
 
hur hur hur yeah if you want to be green you could invest 57k into a personal trainer and workout regime and 1k into a bicycle and just bike your way to work with your newfound physique.
That's a pretty expensive personal trainer, and biking to work is certainly an excellent option for those that live close to their office.

I used to ride my bicycle to campus everyday since I was only 8 miles away, and that's a popular option in Europe. Families usually have to make compromises in distance to her work, his work, and good schools though so of course that isn't an option for everyone, but thanks for playing, not that your sarcastic remark in any way has anything to do with comparing an EV Tesla to a hybrid mass production car.
 
No it doesn't. The 4,700 pound massive tank that handles like ass smokes itself attempting to smoke a Ferrari. Wonder what the laptimes are for the Tesla around the ring? How about "did not finish, smoked itself": http://ecomento.com/2014/07/10/tesla-model-s-overheats-tackling-nurburgring/



There is no chance in hell that it could keep up with a $45K base C7 Corvette that has ample power, a far superior suspension, far better brakes, is properly balanced, and weighs a whopping 1500lbs less.

To put that into perspective, the Corvette would have to be towing 16 foot Rebel sailboat behind it to equal the weight of a Tesla with its heavy ass batteries.

1) The C7 corvette base price is $53k
2) C7 lacks a rear seat
3) C7 uses 60+ year old technology in the form of a pushrod v8. Not trying to knock it though because they're amazing, bulletproof engines with decades of track-proven performance.

You can naysay all you want, but electric motors are here to stay. Maybe not pure electric right away, but performance hybrids are indubitably the future of motorsports. Or just look at Mclaren's, Porsche's, and Ferrari's atest offerings. :D

Mark my words...the C8 corvette WILL have some sort of hybrid/petrol alternative in its lineup.
 
My familiarity with wireless charging is only for consumer electronics...however the 2 main methods are inductance and resonance charging.

Inductance method is the main method used for consumer electronics. It is low frequency, and currently deemed "ok" for human health...however good efficiency is at about 60-70% and over very short distances and only when the transmitting and charging coils are perfectly aligned.

The resonance method is newer, but there are health concerns due to the frequency. The benefit is the alignment isn't as important, and you can do greater distance and higher power charging...but we're still only talking 10W of power. Efficiency is only slightly improved as well...but you're still in the ~70% range.

I don't see how wirelessly charging a car is going to be anywhere near efficient, not to talk about the amount of power you would need to transfer to even make it worth it. Using the wireless methods that would actually get you close to the power needed would be radiating a lot of power....
 
C7 uses 60+ year old technology in the form of a pushrod v8.
LMAO! Electric motors predate pushrod engines. In fact, the first cars were electric, such as car Robert Anderson made in 1832.
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Gdamn Teslas and their 180+ year old technology. ;)
 
hur hur hur yeah if you want to be green you could invest 57k into a personal trainer and workout regime and 1k into a bicycle and just bike your way to work with your newfound physique.

Tell me something, how do you think the Prius came to exist? Was it because someone evaluated the cost efficiency as such and decided that this kind of technology was the most useful expenditure of their funds? No. People started buying it at a net loss to help push the technology forward.

Guess what Elon's future Tesla's are supposed to achieve? 200 mile range for under $50k. Guess how he'll get there? From people investing in this technology TODAY at a premium. I know I know it's fun to sit there and argue about everything you can and some thinly veiled attempt to mock early adopters. I'm sure there's a "liberal this" and "obama that" jab just waiting to pop out of you. Tesla owners are not about "making a statement". Project much? I wonder how much you would pay to install smoke stacks on your car to spew out thick black smog just for the lulz.
People buy a Prius because people want to be seen in a Prius. Its still the sales leading hybrid. Anyone else's hybrid, including Toyota's attempts to put their own hybrid technology into their mainstream lines, have been sales flops. This is regardless of whether they surpassed the Prius in fuel economy specs, or attempted to appeal to another segment the Prius doesn't fill.

The problem with those attempts at mainstreaming is those vehicles aren't immediately identifiable as a ''Hybrid' like a Prius is.

Tesla is another case of Elon eating off someone else's plate. Honda, GM, Ford, Nissan have been flailing around for the past 10 years to try to find something to duplicate the Prius success. They've done more to pull the technology along than Tesla has. Musk has capitalized on those past advancements to come out with the Tesla. The main thing the Tesla brings is a that is immediately identifiable as an EV helped in the publicity arena by Musk's cult of personality.

Its all about wearing a public badge without being gouache enough to have to say it in letters on the car. That is why the only electrified vehicles that have been the least bit successful are the ones instantly identifiable as an EV.
 
People buy a Prius because people want to be seen in a Prius. Its still the sales leading hybrid. Anyone else's hybrid, including Toyota's attempts to put their own hybrid technology into their mainstream lines, have been sales flops.
The Prius C is the second most sold hybrid in the country, and it just looks like a regular hatchback.
prius-c.jpg


That said, with so many 40mpg+ really efficient non hybrids, there's a lot more competition from traditional options these days.
 
People buy a Prius because people want to be seen in a Prius. Its still the sales leading hybrid.

I think it rubs some luddies the wrong way, sure, but that's not the Prius's fault. It's an efficient car, and efficiency to some is a cuss word.
 
People buy a Prius because people want to be seen in a Prius. Its still the sales leading hybrid. Anyone else's hybrid, including Toyota's attempts to put their own hybrid technology into their mainstream lines, have been sales flops. This is regardless of whether they surpassed the Prius in fuel economy specs, or attempted to appeal to another segment the Prius doesn't fill.

The problem with those attempts at mainstreaming is those vehicles aren't immediately identifiable as a ''Hybrid' like a Prius is.

Tesla is another case of Elon eating off someone else's plate. Honda, GM, Ford, Nissan have been flailing around for the past 10 years to try to find something to duplicate the Prius success. They've done more to pull the technology along than Tesla has. Musk has capitalized on those past advancements to come out with the Tesla. The main thing the Tesla brings is a that is immediately identifiable as an EV helped in the publicity arena by Musk's cult of personality.

Its all about wearing a public badge without being gouache enough to have to say it in letters on the car. That is why the only electrified vehicles that have been the least bit successful are the ones instantly identifiable as an EV.

You couldnt possibly be more wrong on every account. People want to be seen in a prius? LOL, the prius is the most maligned car design in the last 20 years. Prius drivers have to put up with people like you making fun of them for driving in a prius. Every review of the prius always makes note of it's distinctive design and how little they appreciate it. My boss drives a prius and we've worked together for 4 years. I test drove a prius for a weekend. Trust me, nobody buys a prius to advertise to the world they drive a prius. They drive it because they talked themselves into the financial feasibility of it or because they just like the idea of not directly contributing to the oil industry on such a regular basis.

Competitor efforts in the EV category have made virtually no attempt to adopt EV technology in a practical manner. GM, Nissan, Ford, etc basically avoid it at all costs, and are now all playing catch up since the Tesla has come out. They've done nothing to pull the technology ahead and simply bide their time waiting for someone else to do it so they can take note or ignore it all together. Thats where Tesla came in.

Nobody buys a Tesla because it looks like an EV, in fact thats exactly what it was designed NOT to look like. Elon realized people HATE the prius looks, and that people want a car that looks like a traditional car. The Tesla has all the modern looks of an every day sedan that people find attractive. In fact most people dont even know they're looking at a Tesla when they see one, especially from a distance.

The reason the few EV cars out there have been successful is because they are the only options available.
 
The Prius C is the second most sold hybrid in the country, and it just looks like a regular hatchback.

That said, with so many 40mpg+ really efficient non hybrids, there's a lot more competition from traditional options these days.
It's still a Prius, and people want to be seen driving a Prius. It's like the Apple product of hybrid vehicles.

The problem with hybrid versions in other model lines is the price premium you pay for it. I could buy a brand new Ford Fusion with the base I-4 engine for around $22,000 US. If I wanted to get into the hybrid version all of the sudden the price jumps to $30,000. Plug-in version? Now we're well over $40,000. I know the reality of Li-ion battery prices, but what model would you go with if you had the choice? Tax breaks and potential long-term savings isn't enough to push most people into the higher initial cost that goes along with more electric power in the car's propulsion system.
 
While convenient, there are efficiency losses associated with wireless charging. So great marketing, but from a practical standpoint, stupid idea overall.
 
Define irony... Anti-technology posters on a site dedicated to technology mostly because the technology is green.
 
The problem with hybrid versions in other model lines is the price premium you pay for it. I could buy a brand new Ford Fusion with the base I-4 engine for around $22,000 US. If I wanted to get into the hybrid version all of the sudden the price jumps to $30,000. Plug-in version? Now we're well over $40,000. I know the reality of Li-ion battery prices, but what model would you go with if you had the choice? Tax breaks and potential long-term savings isn't enough to push most people into the higher initial cost that goes along with more electric power in the car's propulsion system.

I drive a Camry Hybrid XLE, and while the Hybrid is around $3,000 more than the 4 cyl, it's cheaper then the 6. Unlike the under powered Pruis, the Camry hybrid is faster than the 4 cyl model with 200 HP, and good low end due to the electric motors.

Current MSRP:
4 cyl $25,810 mpg 25/35
6 cyl $30,705 mpg 21/31
Hybrid $28,625 mpg 40/38

Since I drive around 95% city (mostly during the rush hour commute), I'm getting almost twice the mileage I got out of my older 4 cyl Camry. With gas over $4/gallon, the hybrid will pay for itself in a few years.

If I was drive 95% highway, I probably would not have bought a hybrid, as I would not have been able to justify the extra $3,000 for the slight difference in highway mileage.
 
Define irony... Anti-technology posters on a site dedicated to technology mostly because the technology is green.
This is a debate about WHICH technology is better, not anti-technology. The idea that teslas with wireless charging stations are the epitome of green technology at present is, well, uninformed.

According to Tesla’s own emissions calculator, if you’re driving your Model S in West Virginia—where the power mix is 96 percent coal—you’re spewing some 27 pounds of CO2 in a typical 40-mile day, which is comparable to the amount you’d emit in a conventional Honda Accord. Unfortunately, that's also just looking at CO2, as it has been calculated that certain harmful emissions on coal plants exceed a Ford Explorer per mile on the Tesla. Add in a wireless charging station with 60% efficiency, and now we're looking at greater disparity.

But again, what we really have to do is step back and look at the entire picture, not just the emissions measured at the Tesla's tailpipe. After all, Tesla's and lithium battery packs don't grow on trees nor are launched into the sun when they are retired from service.

Here's an article that addresses the "full lifecycle" green'ness of the Tesla: http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/unclean-at-any-speed

Recently, the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy undertook a study to look at the environmental impact of lithium-ion batteries for EVs. The study showed that batteries that use cathodes with nickel and cobalt, as well as solvent-based electrode processing, have the highest potential for environmental impacts, including resource depletion, global warming, ecological toxicity, and human health. The largest contributing processes include those associated with the production, processing, and use of cobalt and nickel metal compounds, which may cause adverse respiratory, pulmonary, and neurological effects in those exposed. In other words, HELLO CANCER!

That leads to another argument against the Model S: that it hogs more power than advertised, as the Model S’s energy-efficiency is dragged down heavily by “vampire load,” or the power that drains from the battery while the car is not in use. Gasoline or diesel fuel in your tank by contrast has virtually no energy loss to evaporation, so you aren't losing power parking your vehicle at the airport for a week.

Not that these problems won't be overcome with continuous advances in battery technology, as we're already far better now than we were with old nickel cadmium batteries for example, but we certainly have a ways to go before its ready for prime-time and you can say unequivocally that cars like the Tesla are more green or offer superior performance or make economic sense.
 
So green technology is fully matured the second it is released? and technology doesn't get more efficent, more reliable, cheaper to produce, and smaller as it matures ..... got ya.
 
Ok Ducman, well you have been pretty active in other threads and were responding in this one almost every 10 minutes so I'll assume you've had a chance to read my previous message. You see while reading your most recent post something about it kinda caught my attention, something just felt kinda off. So I did a little searching on the intersphere on came across this site:

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn..._environmental_impact_depends_on_where.2.html

And then I remember this statement of yours in a previous post -

According to Tesla’s own emissions calculator, if you’re driving your Model S in West Virginia—where the power mix is 96 percent coal—you’re spewing some 27 pounds of CO2 in a typical 40-mile day, which is comparable to the amount you’d emit in a conventional Honda Accord.

You see the funny thing is on the website I just linked to, they say the exact same thing. Verbatim. What's even funnier though is that you stopped the quote there. If you had quoted the slate in its entirety the very next sentence states--

QUOTE: The Slate
On the other hand, if you’re charging your Tesla in California, where natural gas supplies more than half the electricity—or, better yet, Idaho or Washington, where hydroelectricity reigns—your per-mile emissions are a fraction of that amount. Congratulations: Your Model S is a clean machine after all.
Which is in support of the Tesla S. But you conveniently left that part out didnt you. Perhaps because it conflicted with your biased arguments against Tesla? Well ok, all's fair in love and war, maybe you just decided that tidbit was irrelevant. So I read some more on the site, and what did I find? Well lets look at the next statement you made

That leads to another argument against the Model S: that it hogs more power than advertised, as the Model S’s energy-efficiency is dragged down heavily by “vampire load,” or the power that drains from the battery while the car is not in use. Gasoline or diesel fuel in your tank by contrast has virtually no energy loss to evaporation, so you aren't losing power parking your vehicle at the airport for a week.

But gee golly gosh you once again stopped the snippet right there, when the next thing the slate says is

QUOTE: The Slate
Vampire load plays a significant role in Weiss’ calculations. In August, though, Tesla delivered on its promise to address the issue in a firmware upgrade. CleanTechnica put the reduction in idle losses at 50 to 70 percent
I guess that would make your earlier point somewhat moot, and we cant be contradicting ourselves now can we?

There are other statements you have made whereby you took things someone else said and simply changed the wording up a little, almost as if to deceive people into thinking you wrote it, and to possibly skirt search engine analysis. You know what we call this in the literary world? PLAGIARISM.

What's ultimately most hilarious about your little escapade here is that the very site you stole and plagiarized all of your information from is actually IN SUPPORT OF THE TESLA!! Their conclusion is that the Tesla is a step in the right direction and that even at its current price point there are many occasions where it actually DOES save both the user and the industry money!

You sir are a FRAUD.
 
No it doesn't. The 4,700 pound massive tank that handles like ass smokes itself attempting to smoke a Ferrari. Wonder what the laptimes are for the Tesla around the ring? How about "did not finish, smoked itself": http://ecomento.com/2014/07/10/tesla-model-s-overheats-tackling-nurburgring/



There is no chance in hell that it could keep up with a $45K base C7 Corvette that has ample power, a far superior suspension, far better brakes, is properly balanced, and weighs a whopping 1500lbs less.

To put that into perspective, the Corvette would have to be towing 16 foot Rebel sailboat behind it to equal the weight of a Tesla with its heavy ass batteries.

I read that article too. You left out some interesting things, like
“Yes, it was heavy. Yes, it had almost no mechanical grip. And yes, the steering was as numb as my jaw after a trip to the dentist. However, considering that the Model S is a brand new car, from a car company that didn’t exist 10 years ago, using technology that had (at the time of founding of the company) never been successfully mass produced on any large scale, I am suitably impressed.”

Humm... why did you leave off almost HALF the article where they say they liked the car?
 
Humm... why did you leave off almost HALF the article where they say they liked the car?

It's the Snopes effect. People are statistically less likely the verify the veracity of a claim if there are links in the message.

The sad part is that Ducman had been putting more and more blips on my bullshit detector for the last couple of weeks. Like I would be reading a response and think "omg who is this idiot, look at this nonsense" and then I'd see it was Ducman and be like "ahh..." to the point that I had to go investigating this most recent response of his because the BS was just coming on so thick.
 
McFry, u mad dog? Yeah, u mad. Its called supporting evidence, and interesting that you don't actually refute it or the source. Parasitic losses are still an issue, and speaking of omitting information, you left the part out about where Tesla can't verify the guess that its 50% less bad than it was (meaning vampire loads are still there).
Humm... why did you leave off almost HALF the article where they say they liked the car?
How is them making an excuse for the vehicle that its "new tech from a new company still learning the ropes" change the fact that it is heavy, can't handle, is unresponsive, and completed only a third of a ring before going up in smoke to the comment that it can "Smoke a Ferrari", as if it were somehow a Ferrari beating sports car... come boy, see for yourself. The hate is swelling in you now. Give in to your anger! With each passing moment, you make yourself more my slave! It is unavoidable. It is your destiny.
 
McFry, u mad dog? Yeah, u mad. Its called supporting evidence, and interesting that you don't actually refute it or the source. Parasitic losses are still an issue, and speaking of omitting information, you left the part out about where Tesla can't verify the guess that its 50% less bad than it was (meaning vampire loads are still there).

How is them making an excuse for the vehicle that its "new tech from a new company still learning the ropes" change the fact that it is heavy, can't handle, is unresponsive, and completed only a third of a ring before going up in smoke to the comment that it can "Smoke a Ferrari", as if it were somehow a Ferrari beating sports car... come boy, see for yourself. The hate is swelling in you now. Give in to your anger! With each passing moment, you make yourself more my slave! It is unavoidable. It is your destiny.

He said "a FERRARI." Not a F430, 458, or a F40. Shit, a new v6 camry could probably have faster track times than an old 408.

It beats the average C6 corvette in a 1/4 mile by .1 seconds.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/dra...-stock-2011-c6-coupe-at-1-4-mile-results.html

it beats the new F10 M5 in the quarter mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHTN0Yi1t4

what are you on about again?
 
McFry, u mad dog? Yeah, u mad. Its called supporting evidence, and interesting that you don't actually refute it or the source. Parasitic losses are still an issue, and speaking of omitting information, you left the part out about where Tesla can't verify the guess that its 50% less bad than it was (meaning vampire loads are still there).

How is them making an excuse for the vehicle that its "new tech from a new company still learning the ropes" change the fact that it is heavy, can't handle, is unresponsive, and completed only a third of a ring before going up in smoke to the comment that it can "Smoke a Ferrari", as if it were somehow a Ferrari beating sports car... come boy, see for yourself. The hate is swelling in you now. Give in to your anger! With each passing moment, you make yourself more my slave! It is unavoidable. It is your destiny.

Shhh, you're just embarrassing yourself now.
 
Tesla fanboys? I knew they existed, but had not really seen them before. Yeah it can just beat a C06 Vette in a 1/4 mile, can it do it for 5 laps around Leguna Seca? Can I drive it from OKC to Dallas on one charge?

This wireless charging technology is rather interesting. I could see them putting a charge lane with rows of these things under the pavement on toll roads that could charge the car as it went down the road. Provided they fix the efficiency issues, or go nuclear power with our infrastructure.
 
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