Jimquisition: EA & Ubisoft - A Cycle of Perpetration and Apology

Don't have time to watch it right now, but JimQ usually nails these issues quite well. He's turned out to be one of the most respected and outspoken voices of consumer rights in this industry.




InB4 Lol hes fat roflrofl.
 
HES FAT!~ AHAHAHA... just kidding.

I do agree with a lot of what he says. It's a bit hard, to not, since he's pretty consumer friendly.
 
Another great video...though I have to disagree in part when he says game consumers are not idiots. Many of them are, because they keep helping to perpetuate this cycle by pre-ordering games like Battlefield 4. You need to realize that the apologies are bullshit and NOT keep giving them money for these broken titles on release. Only then will they maybe change, when it hits their revenue.
 
Some consumers are smart. I stopped supporting EA and Ubisoft a long time ago. It may not make a difference, but at least 1 less idiots supporting these d-bag Co.
 
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MavericK96 said:
Another great video...though I have to disagree in part when he says game consumers are not idiots. Many of them are, because they keep helping to perpetuate this cycle by pre-ordering games like Battlefield 4. You need to realize that the apologies are bullshit and NOT keep giving them money for these broken titles on release. Only then will they maybe change, when it hits their revenue.
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Agreed. Don't give these fuckers money.
Betauser said:
Some consumer are smart. I stopped supporting EA and Ubisoft a long time ago. It may not make a difference, but at least 1 less idiots supporting these d-bag Co.
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Same here. It's hard because Ubi actually publishes some games I think I would enjoy. But I refuse to give them money.

This video hits the nail on the head. People need to wake the fuck up and stop supporting this shit. Can you guys think of any other industries that are this anti-consumer?
 
Betauser said:
Some consumer are smart. I stopped supporting EA and Ubisoft a long time ago. It may not make a difference, but at least 1 less idiots supporting these d-bag Co.
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Yep, and good for you. I'm not saying every gamer is an idiot, obviously, but I think Jim gives a little too much credit...if no one pre-ordered/bought these games, they wouldn't keep doing what they're doing, so it's both parties who are perpetuating the cycle.
 
It's essentially the same crap as BF4 with a different paint job.
 
Heh this guy is growing on me. It's like a nerdrage rant, but without the "Francis" I'm not sure if it's the British accent and use of the word "bollocks" but it's good stuff. It's too bad the rest of the gaming journalism doesn't speak their minds like this guy does.

And his dog at the end is full of win. "Ok ok ok OK, bejesus, I'll get down on the F'n floor. There, I did it for a second. SEE? Humiliating. Now give me that bacon NOW!" lol
 
I'd blame the parents. I know it sounds odd but you have no idea how many games and even pre-orders are from kids that have no idea whats going and I don't blame them. Parents are becoming so out of touch "Dad I'm pre-ordering watchdogs!" "whatever its your allowance". Parents have an obligation to be directly involved in their kids lives. I mean why not? You made this thing, you put hundreds of thousands of dollars into rearing it and clothing it, why not spend some time with it?

I'm not being cynical I was born in the gamer generation. Way more parents are involved now with their kids games and such. It's just a slow hard lesson I spose..
 
He just called all of us idiots and compared us to his dog. Learn to read between the lines.
 
piscian18 said:
I'd blame the parents. I know it sounds odd but you have no idea how many games and even pre-orders are from kids that have no idea whats going and I don't blame them. Parents are becoming so out of touch "Dad I'm pre-ordering watchdogs!" "whatever its your allowance". Parents have an obligation to be directly involved in their kids lives. I mean why not? You made this thing, you put hundreds of thousands of dollars into rearing it and clothing it, why not spend some time with it?

I'm not being cynical I was born in the gamer generation. Way more parents are involved now with their kids games and such. It's just a slow hard lesson I spose..
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Kids SHOULD have the final say with their allowance. If kids earned money for chores and/or doing excellent in school/extracurriculars early on and were made to live with the consequences of poorly managing their money (not having any and not having anything good in its place), they would quickly learn to manage it better on their own, growing up into a more responsible consumer. Instead, it seems that many kids are not given an allowance to manage at all, and the parents end up directly buying everything the kids want, with the kids never learning responsibility, financial skills, self-restraint, etc... at all.

Of course, parents should advise and discuss things with their kids too (with the kid having the final say with that allowance), but as you said, that does not happen either. Most of the time the parents are just as irresponsible, so they would have nothing helpful to say anyway.
 
GearChoices said:
Kids SHOULD have the final say with their allowance. If kids earned money for chores and/or doing excellent in school/extracurriculars early on and were made to live with the consequences of poorly managing their money (not having any and not having anything good in its place), they would quickly learn to manage it better on their own, growing up into a more responsible consumer. Instead, it seems that many kids are not given an allowance to manage at all, and the parents end up directly buying everything the kids want, with the kids never learning responsibility, financial skills, self-restraint, etc... at all.

Of course, parents should advise and discuss things with their kids too (with the kid having the final say with that allowance), but as you said, that does not happen either. Most of the time the parents are just as irresponsible, so they would have nothing helpful to say anyway.
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You totally missed the point. Should a child be allowed to play Watchdogs?
 
big words for a guy who has video ads with sound that automatically play when you visit the website, who doesn't hate that? I agree with about half of what he says.

Then he goes on how blizzards real money auction house was the problem with diablo 3. The problem was it was repetitive as all hell, itemization was crap, and the mid level bosses (champion mobs) were stupid and didn't fit the difficulty pattern. Providing people with an option to get rid of their stuff when the black market is going to do it anyway is not the problem.
 
jmilcher said:
You totally missed the point. Should a child be allowed to play Watchdogs?
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GearChoices said:
Kids SHOULD have the final say with their allowance. If kids earned money for chores and/or doing excellent in school/extracurriculars early on and were made to live with the consequences of poorly managing their money (not having any and not having anything good in its place), they would quickly learn to manage it better on their own, growing up into a more responsible consumer. Instead, it seems that many kids are not given an allowance to manage at all, and the parents end up directly buying everything the kids want, with the kids never learning responsibility, financial skills, self-restraint, etc... at all.

Of course, parents should advise and discuss things with their kids too (with the kid having the final say with that allowance), but as you said, that does not happen either. Most of the time the parents are just as irresponsible, so they would have nothing helpful to say anyway.
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I wasnt talking about either really I grew up fairly bohemian, in the sense that my parents didn't put age limits on anything I did. My dad would take me to stuff like Othello and anime like Macross II(im old) when I was barely out of diapers.

I kinda meant not so much how kids obtain media or what media they are allowed, but more that the parents be knowledgeable and involved in that media. Outside of allowance it would be a cold day in hell before my dad would buy me videogames or the latest NWA/NIN albums, he'd get me books and jethro tull albums. Regardless he'd push me to try stuff he liked and he'd sit with me and listen to NIN, or play mario whatever.

Sorry waxing poetic, I think if my kid sees watch dogs I'd go investigate it with him and if it's shit it's shit. He could at least tell his friends "naw bros it sucks ass I got dark souls II instead."
 
piscian18 said:
I'd blame the parents. I know it sounds odd but you have no idea how many games and even pre-orders are from kids that have no idea whats going and I don't blame them. Parents are becoming so out of touch "Dad I'm pre-ordering watchdogs!" "whatever its your allowance". Parents have an obligation to be directly involved in their kids lives. I mean why not? You made this thing, you put hundreds of thousands of dollars into rearing it and clothing it, why not spend some time with it?

I'm not being cynical I was born in the gamer generation. Way more parents are involved now with their kids games and such. It's just a slow hard lesson I spose..
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On the flip side I often see parents buying video games and talking to a sales clerk for advice... "Well my kid wants this one, but I've seen a lot of commercials on this one..." and what not :rolleyes:. I don't know about anyone else, but I used to get annoyed when I didn't get what I specifically asked for as a kid. Then my Christmas list got very specific and structured like a professional spreadsheet, which my sister always liked to rag on me for :D. But, it worked :cool:.
 
I used to work at Wal Mart while I was in college. Parents would come in and buy their kid anything they wanted. 5 year olds getting Mortal Kombat. And the parents used to get so pissed at me for not allowing their kid to checkout with it.

I would say, " It is a mature game. I need your parent here to before I can legally sell this to you." And here comes the parent from across the store cussing me out. I think they thought the Electronics section was the babysitting department. It got to the point where the parents complained so much about me doing my job properly, that I ended up in the fishing section. Which was a great change as I could read my textbooks while I was working. :)
 
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