iPhone Air ( iPhone 6 ) September

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I'm down for the 5.5 inch version. Perfect size for my needs. My main use is games, internet, tv shows, movies. I make very few phone calls so I really don't care if it looks like I'm talking to a book. They will need to make some really thin but resilient cases to protect it otherwise something like an Otterbox case will turn the damn thing into a small house.
 
If Bloomberg is to be believed, the new iPhone 6 in 4.7 and 5.5 inch sizes will begin production in July, and ship simultaneously in September of this year.
 
TI and Nvidia are already victims of Qualcomm in the phone space. Question is, who's next? A7 can barely keep up with performance and battery life at less than 720p resolution compared to Snapdragon 800 at 1080p.

You're spreading FUD. We don't know how high the A7 can be clocked. We do know it's clocked much lower than other SoCs. And the A7 is still only dual-core.

And you're talking about battery life when iPhones come with the smallest battery of any flag ship phone? I'm shocked that iPhone battery life is as good as it is given the puny battery.
 
Fact. A7 is driving 2.9X less pixels. Display is the highest consumption of battery and while the iPhone 5S' battery is smaller it's also driving a proportionally tinier display with a lot of bezel space whereas phones with larger batteries are driving a proportionally bigger display with very little bezel. It would benefit Apple to switch from PowerPC (A9) to Intel (Snapdragon 810) along with the cost savings of using off the shelf versus proprietary.
 
lol, they're immensely profitable licensing the ARM ISA and designing the chip in-house and performance is great. does this "off-the-shelf" argument have some basis?
 
Fact. A7 is driving 2.9X less pixels. Display is the highest consumption of battery and while the iPhone 5S' battery is smaller it's also driving a proportionally tinier display with a lot of bezel space whereas phones with larger batteries are driving a proportionally bigger display with very little bezel. It would benefit Apple to switch from PowerPC (A9) to Intel (Snapdragon 810) along with the cost savings of using off the shelf versus proprietary.

As mentioned earlier: a 1.3GHz, dual-core A7 can hang with its contemporary, a 2.2GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800. Why would Apple give up such a huge power efficiency advantage and lose a distinguishing trait just so that it can save a few bucks per phone? Also, to no one's surprise, you have zero evidence showing that the processor choice is dictating factors like the bezel.
 
As mentioned earlier: a 1.3GHz, dual-core A7 can hang with its contemporary, a 2.2GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800. Why would Apple give up such a huge power efficiency advantage and lose a distinguishing trait just so that it can save a few bucks per phone? Also, to no one's surprise, you have zero evidence showing that the processor choice is dictating factors like the bezel.

Andriod is going 64bit this fall.
64bit dual core, 64bit quad core.

I think Apple needs to go back and rethink things.
 
Andriod is going 64bit this fall.
64bit dual core, 64bit quad core.

I think Apple needs to go back and rethink things.

You do know the A7 is already 64-bit, right? It may have been unneeded, but Apple beat Qualcomm to 64-bit by a year. Android is the one catching up on that front.
 
Andriod is going 64bit this fall.
64bit dual core, 64bit quad core.

I think Apple needs to go back and rethink things.

Few people outside of Apple knows what Apple is thinking. Apple already went dual core 64bit. Apple will probably go quad core 64bit. This isn't a stretch.
 
Maybe, well hopefully, Apple will go >1GB DRAM to make that 64-bit worthwhile. 64-bit and 4GB or more makes more sense.
 
*bangs head against desk*

That's going to happen a lot when iOS TouchWiz 8 split screen multitasking keeps reloading due to low memory much like what's happening now with Safari tabs with 1GB DRAM or less. Makes my iPad2 unusable.
 
That's going to happen a lot when iOS TouchWiz 8 split screen multitasking keeps reloading due to low memory much like what's happening now with Safari tabs with 1GB DRAM or less. Makes my iPad2 unusable.

I don't care about your issues with the low memory, my issue is the constant regurgitation of x64 only being useful when applied with greater then 4gb of memory.
 
Right now, the biggest advantage of the A7 is actually the ARMv8 architecture, which is considerably more powerful -- 64-bit just came along for the ride. For Apple, I suspect it was about getting that speed boost as a short-term edge, and futureproofing was a nice bonus... even if the iPhone 5s will feel ancient by the time 64-bit is mandatory. Qualcomm won't go ARMv8 until 2015 (Snapdragon 808/810), so we won't have a one-for-one comparison of chip efficiency until roughly a year from now.
 
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Right now, the biggest advantage of the A7 is actually the ARMv8 architecture, which is considerably more powerful -- 64-bit just came along for the ride. For Apple, I suspect it was about getting that speed boost as a short-term edge, and futureproofing was a nice bonus... even if the iPhone 5s will feel ancient by the time 64-bit is mandatory. Qualcomm won't go ARMv8 until 2015 (Snapdragon 808/810), so we won't have a one-for-one comparison of chip efficiency until roughly a year from now.

ARMv8 is centered around 64bit, especially 2x GP registers and 2x the FP registers.

They needed 64bit to really bring their finger print scanner home, seeing as its stored in a 64 bit register, literally no other mobile platform will break this.

As far as speed boost, clock for clock and assuming the same IPC you will see maybe 1% increase steadily going from 32bit to 64bit.

64bit is already tightly integrated, all of the iOS subsystem and programs are running 64bit counterparts, the third party software is coming along but I doubt that will be made mandatory and truthfully I doubt we will see a majority of the developers move to 64bit, seeing as a good portion of them are just template users.

Qualcomm is way behind, granted they have a decent GPU in there but their CPU is so far behind its not even funny. They let Samsung over take them once already with the Exynos, which magically gave us the S4 (pro) and it looks like Samsung is going to beat them again to a fully working 64bit, ARMv8 instruction set, BIG,little SoC.

I don't have much faith in the 810/808 being bug free, BIG.little is extremely complex, if they release a SoC with the same issues as the Exynos 4 had it will hurt them which is why I'm betting they are going to delay again. This is what a lack of competition does :( damn you TI!
 
You do know the A7 is already 64-bit, right? It may have been unneeded, but Apple beat Qualcomm to 64-bit by a year. Android is the one catching up on that front.

Of course I know.
64bit dual only matches 32bit quad. It was done to catch up to quad without going quad.
Always exciting when people try to crack on Apple and they have no idea what they are talking about!
What's your opinion then? Because we aren't talking facts in a forum.
 
Of course I know.
64bit dual only matches 32bit quad. It was done to catch up to quad without going quad.

I don't think you understand this at all. Just because you can accomplish Task X with one 64 bit instruction, doesn't mean you could also accomplish Task X with two 32 bit instructions. Thread management is much more complicated than that.

Apple's 64 bit dual core CPU is rarely considered slow, regardless of how many cores Android handsets are using to compare against it.
 
A theory: Apple's decision to cut iPod touch prices isn't just a recognition that it's an old product; it's a possible hint at future iPhone pricing.

Think about it: for ages, Apple has charged $100 more for an increase in capacity on an iOS device. It didn't matter whether you were getting 8GB more or 64GB, whether the raw cost to Apple was $20 or $80... another hundo, please. That there's now just a $100 spread between 16GB and 64GB, with 32GB in between, suggests that Apple is being more aggressive (and frankly, reasonable) about capacity pricing.

That jives with some slightly sketchy rumours that Apple may finally, finally bump up the minimum storage for the iPhone to 32GB, and that the 5.5-inch iPhone may come in a 128GB flavour. If the 4.7-inch model comes in at $199 for 32GB, that'll be a much better deal (certainly compared to the 5s).
 
I don't care about your issues with the low memory, my issue is the constant regurgitation of x64 only being useful when applied with greater then 4gb of memory.

If Apple's A7 was just a A6 (cortex 15) with 64 bit instruction, there would be no performance increase. Going 64-bit is only useful when addressing memory or numbers greater than 32-bit.

Do you realize that the A7 is based on ARM Cortex 53? Cortex 53 has more registers and some other improvements over cortex 15. That is where you're seeing the performance increase in the A7. Its not because the A7 is 64-bit (pretty much useless for addressing low memory that can be handled by 32-bit), its because the A7 is based on next gen ARM cortex 53 with more registers.
 
A theory:

That jives with some slightly sketchy rumours that Apple may finally, finally bump up the minimum storage for the iPhone to 32GB, and that the 5.5-inch iPhone may come in a 128GB flavour. If the 4.7-inch model comes in at $199 for 32GB, that'll be a much better deal (certainly compared to the 5s).

128gb or go home!

He'll I'm all for upping the minimum size limits but I still think these phones should be coming down in price.
 
Surprise: Nikkei claims that the mockups are missing a lot of details.

Reportedly, those lines on the back are just "glass goes here" markers. The transition between display and the rest of the phone isn't there (supposedly, the glass makes for a seamless transition). And of course, you don't see either the logo or the real camera system. The mockups should still give you some sense of what to expect, but it's premature to make a call on the phone's looks from what we've seen so far.
 
Surprise: Nikkei claims that the mockups are missing a lot of details.

Reportedly, those lines on the back are just "glass goes here" markers. The transition between display and the rest of the phone isn't there (supposedly, the glass makes for a seamless transition). And of course, you don't see either the logo or the real camera system. The mockups should still give you some sense of what to expect, but it's premature to make a call on the phone's looks from what we've seen so far.

That's not terribly surprising I suppose. The design did look a bit odd (for Apple hardware). It makes me a little nervous that they'd use glass on the edges like that though. Those areas take quite a bit of abuse. I'll be using a case anyway so it's sort of moot regardless.

I wonder if they're using the mock ups we've seen, in part, to help prevent early leaks of the final design (similar to camo on new car prototypes)? Over the last few years, the wind has been taken out of Apples iPhone reveals as leaks were coming out 6+ months in advance, showing the redesigns.
 
Surprise: Nikkei claims that the mockups are missing a lot of details.

Reportedly, those lines on the back are just "glass goes here" markers. The transition between display and the rest of the phone isn't there (supposedly, the glass makes for a seamless transition). And of course, you don't see either the logo or the real camera system. The mockups should still give you some sense of what to expect, but it's premature to make a call on the phone's looks from what we've seen so far.

I wish this hadn't come out so soon. We have months for anti-Apple people to work themselves into a frenzy.
 
I wish this hadn't come out so soon. We have months for anti-Apple people to work themselves into a frenzy.

They are seething and amassing in a mob that resembles something from the movie "28 days later."
 
I wish this hadn't come out so soon. We have months for anti-Apple people to work themselves into a frenzy.

Chances are that there would be no pleasing the Anything But Apple camp anyway. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation where they insist that Apple needs to make a bigger phone, which it does... but however the company goes about things, it's going to be the 'wrong' way (why? Because Apple did it, of course).
 
I wouldn't be too worried yet, we still know nothing on the SoC or how the panel works.
 
iPhone 6 Battery Life Could be a Major Disappointment, Rumors Say
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/0...e-could-be-a-major-disappointment-rumors-say/

I'm leaning toward Android anyway but this would tip the scales. The batteries in the iPhone 5 are pretty bad. I've already replaced the battery in my wifes phone (under warranty thankfully) and I paid to have mine replaced under a squaretrade warranty. I demand either better battery life than what I've been getting or a replaceable battery (zero chance of that with apple).
 
You'd think for such a ginormous phone they'd stuff a higher capacity battery in it.
 
Haha, what additional batteries are you buying? Are you talking about the battery cases?

if you read a couple posts above you'll see that I replaced the battery in my phone and my wife's phone. both iphone 5 models
 
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