New FX chip?

It seems like the competition between AMD and Intel isn't as dead as most people thought, just instead of competing on CPU speed and cost, they're competing on which ones marketing department can shovel the most bullshit.
 
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It seems like the competition between AMD and Intel isn't as dead as most people thought, just instead of competing on CPU speed and cost, they're competing on which ones marketing department can shovel the most bullshit.
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Ha ha ha! Well I think both companies are stuck in software limbo. As long as 60Hz is the objective of gaming which is probably the most strenuous thing that a home user would use their PC for, there isn't a reason to upgrade the CPU. Just get a bigger GPU.
 
Mantle ;)

That is the only reason for me to upgrade the cpu if they are going to use more of it and use more data for the gpu to processs I would happily buy a FX 8350 .
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Well captainobvious , on the roadmap there no new products announced for AM3+ so much for your gift of foresight.
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Well little Peter, if it was obvious you wouldn't have multiple people hoping for a new product. Even you stated the same thing as I did in this very same thread, so if you are going to insult me about my predictions then don't be a hypocrite.


Pieter3dnow said:
Btw did you checkout the thread where one of the [H] forum members overclocked his to 6ghz ?
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This thread is about a supposed "new" FX chip from AMD. How does the discussion about overclocking someone else's 2 year old chip have ANYTHING to do with this thread? Because someone overclocked their chip to 6ghz it is supposed to make people want it? When people were overclocking Pentium 4's over 4ghz it still didn't make me want one. What does that 6ghz chip get you? A maxed out chip with high thermals that still doesn't match a maxed out Intel with equally ludicrous thermals.

So you decided to insert some side comment meant to distract from the fact that AMD shit out the same product and nothing new for 2 years? Is that supposed make people feel better about a lackluster release? They have had 9590's bundled with AIO's for a while now. FWIW, that first link also has a link to a newegg.com listing from December 2013. This "new" product (as @amd_roy called it) is as dissappointing as Intel's Devil Canyon release.
 
Calling me a hypocrite doesn't solve any problems I don't like it that much especially when in several other threads already acknowledged that this is not what "we" want. For me to be a hypocrite about it then say that AMD has failed or is failing. It is well known for several months or should I say since last year that nothing but Piledriver is headed for AM3+

No the thread was about the "new" 9xxx series.
Where we don't agree is that you blame AMD for this release where I say marketing wise this is stupid.
Because the target audience is not retarded.
But the trick to seemingly fool people into thinking it is a new product is retarded.

In the end we don't want AMD to go bankrupt over a platform where there is little to no money to be made. This is reality for people in charge of AMD going for ARM/APU. Their APU platform is where they do make money at this point in time it is not that bad that AMD does this.
 
Lord of Shadows said:
So... Moore's law has ended huh?
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No its just moved on. I guess it's technically ended for desktops because desktops are becoming extinct however it's alive and well in smart phones and tablets.

As for the "something new", what do y'all make of this? 95W 8310 and 125W 8370? What could that be but a higher binned 8350 which would essentially be a 9590 right? What else could they do to this architecture?

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014062401_AMD_to_launch_new_FX_processor.html
 
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There is only so far they can go with binning because binning for the absolutely best chips adds more time and cost to chips they are already selling at lower profit margins than Intel makes on theirs. From an overclocker's viewpoint, it's a lot easier to crank up the VID and multiplier weeding out the chips that still operate (9370 / 9590) than it is to keep the VID the same but raise the multiplier and verify both stability and powerdraw. I really hope the FX-8310 is a real product available in retail packing and not another OEM-only lower wattage SKU...

In a hypothetical world where AMD and Intel each had ~50% market shares and equal ability to recruit top talent from fresh college graduates I think we would have see more gains with each generation than we have. Intel doesn't have a fire under their ass to do more than the 5% or whatever gains per generation and AMD is so far behind they have to largely ignore the non-OEM/prebuilt consumers represented in these tech forums because they can only juggle so many bowling pins with two bloody stumps for hands.
 
What could have been...
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Kaveri-Mobile-Launch-FX7600P-Performance-Preview/#!4an0Q

It is practically neck-and-neck with the 4200U and 4500U in terms of performance.

Imagine the following for a desktop FM2+ platform:

  • 95W or 100W instead of 35W for the FX 7600P
  • 4.0GHz base speed, 4.3 to 4.5GHz turbo
  • 2 GPU units instead of 8, or none or disabled
  • Replace GPU with L3 cache?
... FX 850K or something?


How would that fare against Intel's offerings?
 
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at this point in the manufacturing I would imagine the process has matured enough that it's not that hard for them to find chips that will do massive clocks, or run at lower wattage.
 
stealthy123 said:
at this point in the manufacturing I would imagine the process has matured enough that it's not that hard for them to find chips that will do massive clocks, or run at lower wattage.
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I think that was the 9000 series. Remember the FX-8350 is a 4.0GHz chip? ;) My FX-9370 can run at some really low voltages if I want it to. My case is very cool to the touch. But to hit speeds above 5.0 GHz requires more voltage for every step. I was thinking of purchasing a new motherboard to see if it would help, but I'll just wait for Intel or AMD to come up with a worthwhile upgrade path that is ~$300 or less. An upgrade means a 25% performance boost or more across the board when gaming and rendering. Could care less about power draw unless it stops me from overclocking.
 
cageymaru said:
I think that was the 9000 series. Remember the FX-8350 is a 4.0GHz chip? ;) My FX-9370 can run at some really low voltages if I want it to. My case is very cool to the touch. But to hit speeds above 5.0 GHz requires more voltage for every step. I was thinking of purchasing a new motherboard to see if it would help, but I'll just wait for Intel or AMD to come up with a worthwhile upgrade path that is ~$300 or less. An upgrade means a 25% performance boost or more across the board when gaming and rendering. Could care less about power draw unless it stops me from overclocking.
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I really wish they would just update the 990 chipset. Pile on the features and make the platform desirable. They seem to be focusing solely on APUs. Don't get me wrong the 990 is a decent chipset, but it's basically an updated 790. I love AMD, just wish they would throw some weight at socket am3+ since they stuck with it so long.
 
stealthy123 said:
I really wish they would just update the 990 chipset. Pile on the features and make the platform desirable. They seem to be focusing solely on APUs. Don't get me wrong the 990 is a decent chipset, but it's basically an updated 790. I love AMD, just wish they would throw some weight at socket am3+ since they stuck with it so long.
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I think we may see a successor to FM2+ and AM3 when DDR4 becomes mainstream. Until then, we are stuck with 990.
 
stealthy123 said:
at this point in the manufacturing I would imagine the process has matured enough that it's not that hard for them to find chips that will do massive clocks, or run at lower wattage.
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You know I hadnt thought of that but maybe youre on to something there. Maybe instead of coming out with another clock increase, maybe they rounded up all the chips that could do really high clocks on low voltage like 5.0 @ 1.4V. My 8350 is a golden chip and almost can do 4.8 @ 1.39V (thought I had it but it crapped out after 2 hours of OCCT) so maybe they have some 4.9 or 5.0 chips that can work on low volts. I think that would be a pretty cool item to bring out.
 
MacLeod said:
You know I hadnt thought of that but maybe youre on to something there. Maybe instead of coming out with another clock increase, maybe they rounded up all the chips that could do really high clocks on low voltage like 5.0 @ 1.4V. My 8350 is a golden chip and almost can do 4.8 @ 1.39V (thought I had it but it crapped out after 2 hours of OCCT) so maybe they have some 4.9 or 5.0 chips that can work on low volts. I think that would be a pretty cool item to bring out.
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I'd be interested in 95-125 Watt CPU with high clocks too...I gotta up my voltage to 1.5375 just to get 4.6GHz P95 stable... my motherboard can't even support the FX-9590
 
psy81 said:
I'd be interested in 95-125 Watt CPU with high clocks too...I gotta up my voltage to 1.5375 just to get 4.6GHz P95 stable... my motherboard can't even support the FX-9590
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Thats kinda what I was thinking. This is the first time ever I landed a golden chip but that is what makes me think that could be a possibility. If mine which I just bought a couple weeks ago is running at a very high clock at a relatively low voltage, there might be more out there thatll do better. I think something that could do 4.7 or 4.8 on like 1.35V would be attractive to a lot more people than the nuclear furnace that is a 9590 doing 5 gig at 1.5V. You might not even need a super high end cooler either.
 
MacLeod said:
I dont think that means anything more than theyre just trying to do some promoting. The 9590 is their flagship CPU right now so giving some of them away is par for the course for a promotion.
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Round of 16.. I was thinking 16 cores. Now what would 11 have to do with that other than it's a Prime number. :)
 
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I'm not sure a free CPU is enough to make me watch soccer.

{runs and hides}
 
Looking at AMD's web site, it looks like a liquid cooling system for existing CPU's. A bit of a letdown for an AMD fanboy.
 
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