New FX chip?

FM2+
3x steamroller modules (4.0GHz/4.4GHz)
256x GCN cores (800MHz)
100W TDP (why not, the platform has to be able to support old FM2 processors)
DDR2400 support

that would make me happy.
 
KazeoHin said:
5+GHz is an awesome prospect, especially from an engineering standpoint, but I am a legitimate power-user. 3d rendering, photoshop, digital sculpting. That sort of thing. We have to be honest about AMD performance. My Phenom X6 at 4.2 is awesome, and kills most chips out there, BUT I can definitely see where my rig is lacking. If/when I upgrade, I want something that has tons of RAM, and AT LEAST 8 cores. Let's face it, 8 AMD cores are awesome against 4 intel cores. But when you have the option for 8 intel cores?
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As a legitimate power user, it seems you should understand just how much comes with a prospective 5ghz Vishera. Cheap! Power performer in 99 percent of applications? Did I mention it's cheap?!

Only the best for the best. Intel chips aren't bad, infact, they are undoubtedly the best...but they are way overpriced. I'll go for the guy that's managed 90 percent of the performance at half the price point.
 
czerro said:
You would be disappointed in a Vishera that clocked around 5+ ghz out of package? Only the finest things for this guy, apparently...

Edit: Ungh..I still don't get this post! You would buy a Haswell-E over the prospect of a 5+ghz Vishera? The comparison is all wonky. Like, 'yeah, you wouldn't do that.' Yet you aren't taking a piss and think that is legitimately the proper choice? I don't get it. You are comparing the prospect of a 5ghz Vishera to the lackluster Haswell-E? It's not a joke, the only possibility is that you think it is...."It will only be twice as expensive and offer a 1 percent increase in most applications. For the the hardcore it will really shred some renders at a 10 percent performance increase. Glad you laid down a grand on that, am I right?"
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Haswell-E also has DDR4 and if you put up the money 8 core 16 thread...

im seeing shades of 2005-6 here if AMDs best clocked to the wall can just keep up with an i5 ....

i look at my original Athlon and A64 boxes on my shelf and wonder if AMD will ever really be a threat to intel again
AMD cant rely on overclockers to keep competitive seems like they only care about the low end and consoles any more

clock speed is going to hit a wall here AMD needs a new chip from the ground up
 
if that box picture with "processor"on the side is accurate it suggests:

1. amd is flogging the piledriver nag once more. stop, for the love of god, stop!
2. an FM2+ product with a disabled GPU and a pre-overclocked clockspeed.

i'd be disappointed with either really. if HSA has any value then it needs to be on everything, and if it isn't valuable on AMD's high-end products then what is the purpose of AMD?

give me an FM2+ hexacore with a reduced number of shaders please AMD.
 
R3MF said:
if that box picture with "processor"on the side is accurate it suggests:

1. amd is flogging the piledriver nag once more. stop, for the love of god, stop!
2. an FM2+ product with a disabled GPU and a pre-overclocked clockspeed.

i'd be disappointed with either really. if HSA has any value then it needs to be on everything, and if it isn't valuable on AMD's high-end products then what is the purpose of AMD?

give me an FM2+ hexacore with a reduced number of shaders please AMD.
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The HSA element I think is key to their success - hopefully this year more developers start utilizing it. I know I've got at least 2 OpenCL projects at work this year that I will be using it extensively, though these are enterprise applications.
 
MotionBlur said:
The HSA element I think is key to their success - hopefully this year more developers start utilizing it. I know I've got at least 2 OpenCL projects at work this year that I will be using it extensively, though these are enterprise applications.
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That will happen for sure you can not be serious about using processing power and then not use the GPU while that does factor X more then the CPU.
 
very cool but just upgraded to Intel two weeks ago...unless it's faster then the 4770K wont' budge for about three years.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
That will happen for sure you can not be serious about using processing power and then not use the GPU while that does factor X more then the CPU.
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The other part of the problem at least in my neck of the woods, most folks aren't even programming with parallel in mind. It's all very linear: A to B to C etc.

I did a talk on it a while back and it was shocking how few actually look at the specs of their servers/workstations/tablets etc. and then programmed with it in mind. For instance one of our clients at work has both Intel i3 and AMD E-350 netbooks. Multi-threaded performance (at least in the desktop app that runs on them) performs significantly better on the E-350, while single threaded goes to the i3. A couple changes here and there as soon as we received the E-350 netbooks to develop for and the E-350 users got an easy 20-30% boost.

In my area it comes down to "is it acceptable for the client?" Most cases in my area since just about every other custom development shop follows that same model, the client won't know any different. It's going to take a large user base app that will force developers to use OpenCL, because if Client A uses a similar app that's several factors faster, he/she is going to want that same performance in their application.
 
Comixbooks said:
very cool but just upgraded to Intel two weeks ago...unless it's faster then the 4770K wont' budge for about three years.
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Going by the way that CPU's are "innovating" nowadays, you'll be using that i7-4770K for the next decade.
 
cageymaru said:
Going by the way that CPU's are "innovating" nowadays, you'll be using that i7-4770K for the next decade.
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My opinion is process technology has finally hit the silicon brick wall that we have talked about for 25+ years. I think we shall see the answer to that in the next year. I mean if 14nm broadwell can not increase frequencies over Sandy Bridge.
 
From the picture on the box I expected it to be similar. Possibly a 5GHz stock chip + AIO cooler.


Although If you were going to purchase an 9590 and did not already have a watercooler this is a good deal. I mean $40 extra for a watercooler capable of handling a 200W+ CPU,
 
Well that's pretty much the opposite of what I was hoping for. Release somthing good under 95w AMD, I want to give you money.
 
unholythree said:
Well that's pretty much the opposite of what I was hoping for. Release somthing good under 95w AMD, I want to give you money.
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Most users would want that unlocked so it ends up being pointless. I mean you take a 4.7GHz 9590 clock it at 2.7 to 3.0GHz and it will easily be under 95W. Also AMD would still have to charge 9590 prices for that since it would probably have to be the best silicon.

Although with some tweaking I guess AMD could sell a ~3GHz 8 core with a 1 or 2 thread turbo of close to 4GHz and keep it under 95W for the same price as a 9590.
 
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czerro said:
People say this, but I don't understand it. Intel is the one that had to course correct after AMD's Phenom. They had the money to though, and have continually released competitively priced chips that trade blows positively with AMD's chips. As far as the super high-end is concerned, your a moron if you are purchasing the top performing chips. The price inflation is ridiculous. Most everyone is targeting the sweet spot that AMD identified before they sacrificed their price/performance/enthusiast focus to push their APU evolution.

This has been done to death and pointed out a million times, but why does everyone compare the top AMD chip at any given day to the top Intel chip any given day. Like, why would ANYONE ever leave the car lot in anything but a bmw or better yet import a mazarrati or a buggatti? Their must be SOME other factor that we aren't considering here that really informs such decisions...

The top tier intel chips never outpaced the top tier amd chips as far as the intel prices far out-paced their performance benefit.
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this is very well said and make complete sense if your comparing you have to keep both object in the comparative spectrum that fits both
 
cageymaru said:
Well at least you don't have to buy something new. :)
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Haha! Yeah that's true. Guess I can just concentrate on saving for a new video card. And this does seem to end my streak of buying something only to have something better come out the next day. :D
 
drescherjm said:
Most users would want that unlocked so it ends up being pointless. I mean you take a 4.7GHz 9590 clock it at 2.7 to 3.0GHz and it will easily be under 95W. Also AMD would still have to charge 9590 prices for that since it would probably have to be the best silicon.

Although with some tweaking I guess AMD could sell a ~3GHz 8 core with a 1 or 2 thread turbo of close to 4GHz and keep it under 95W for the same price as a 9590.
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There is the FX-8300 at 95w but it was OEM only I believe.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series FX-8300.html
Another in a long line of reduced wattage flagship processors that AMD never took into the retail market. Instead, they are left to the middle men that buy OEM systems in bulk, pull and replace them with a cheaper retail chip, and finally sell the chip to end-users with a 20-30% markup. There is a seller on Amazon selling these with a dinky aluminum heatsink but they are over $200 USD and thus way overpriced compared to an underclocked + undervolted FX-8350. Almost every generation of processors from AMD has had one of these because they don't see enough demand to release a retail SKU.
 
MacLeod said:
Are you fucking kidding me? It's a fucking "relaunch" of the 9590 but this time with a super dooper AIO cooler. Gawdamighy.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...761-exclusive-amd-launch-new-fx-9590-cpu.html
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MacLeod said:
Are you fucking kidding me? It's a fucking "relaunch" of the 9590 but this time with a super dooper AIO cooler. Gawdamighy.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...761-exclusive-amd-launch-new-fx-9590-cpu.html
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Yep, to be honest why expect something else from AMD if it is not on the roadmap it prolly won't magically appear even if we al wish for it ...

Now about this marketing thing , does AMD know that supposedly this is for high end use and if so do they think that most people who buy high end AMD stuff are really retarded enough to warrant this kind of abuse?
 
I'm pretty sure I like AMD LESS now than I use to.

Who the hell teases an old product?
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Yep, to be honest why expect something else from AMD if it is not on the roadmap it prolly won't magically appear even if we al wish for it ...

Now about this marketing thing , does AMD know that supposedly this is for high end use and if so do they think that most people who buy high end AMD stuff are really retarded enough to warrant this kind of abuse?
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Yeah after Intel's "if you cant overclock DC to 5 GHz then youre doing it wrong" bullshit, I guess I shouldnt be surprised.

"Something new is coming." So its a 9590 thats essentially a 2 year old CPU but its got a "new" AIO cooler thats probably not as good as a H80i?

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TheBlueChanell said:
I'm guessing this is just going to be one of the FX-9000 series CPU's re-bundled with an AIO cooler. I'm tempering my expectations.

I would LOVE for this to be one of the following:

A) Steamroller based FX chip for AM3+ to replace the 8350/9950

B) Steamroller based FX chip for FM2+, it would go nicely with the newly released FM2+ ROG board

It would be nice for AM3+ to have at least one more decent chip release until they move to a whole new platform and DDR4 but I doubt that, we shall see.

I would thing if this was something like my option A and B they would of released their info at CES or something and not just with a random twitter post.
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Glad I didn't get worked up over this. :p
 
This is the 9590 with AIO cooling for like $320 - if it's $320 euro that's the price of Devil Canyon. Tempting... but only if released with AM3+ boards with things like M2 slot or Sata express.
 
Wasn't there a new board from ASrock which has M2 slot ASRock 990FX Fatal1ty Killer
 
Here I was hopping for an FM2+ 8-Core...and it's just a re-package with a worse water cooler than I already have.
 
MacLeod said:
Are you fucking kidding me? It's a fucking "relaunch" of the 9590 but this time with a super dooper AIO cooler. Gawdamighy.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...761-exclusive-amd-launch-new-fx-9590-cpu.html
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LMAO. It's sad that I have zero expectation from them to make anything remotely interesting on the high end cpu side. In 2 years they couldn't even refine the existing high end parts to use less power and/or run at a higher frequency. AMD has fallen so far that we can assume failure from them and we would be right. This is just shameful.

I guess my prediction was right in the 2nd post of this thread. It's another EZ-Bake oven: same old product that's been around forever that puts out a lot of heat and produces mediocre results.
CaptNumbNutz said:
Comes with a AIO water cooler....

I foresee another ez-bake oven.
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I guess we can hope since there's an FX Mobile APU coming soon there might be a desktop version on the horizon for FM2+.
 
MotionBlur said:
I guess we can hope since there's an FX Mobile APU coming soon there might be a desktop version on the horizon for FM2+.
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That's what I hope so, too.

If there was an AMD 750K for FM2, it'd be great to see a quad-core Steamroller without a GPU on the FM2+ platform with an FX moniker.
 
what im wondering is amd seems to be going with the apu route which could lead to a pretty good market shares if it pans out as it potentially could. so why not make the physical size of the chip bigger to accommodate bigger and better things (hypothetically)?
 
techtechie said:
what im wondering is amd seems to be going with the apu route which could lead to a pretty good market shares if it pans out as it potentially could. so why not make the physical size of the chip bigger to accommodate bigger and better things (hypothetically)?
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Yields and TDP.
 
Bigger chip= fewer of them on a wafer. Thus the price per chip goes up.

Bigger chip=more complex lithograph image per chip, more chances of errors to pop up, and fewer chips per wafer to replace the faulty ones with.

Bigger chip=a ton of more heat being emitted and spread over the same IHS.

These are not set-in-stone rules, these are more like the negatives of the gradient. The more you increase chip size, the more you run into these issues. So there is the ability to scale up the chip size SLIGHTLY and only encounter a bit of negative results.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
LMAO. It's sad that I have zero expectation from them to make anything remotely interesting on the high end cpu side. In 2 years they couldn't even refine the existing high end parts to use less power and/or run at a higher frequency. AMD has fallen so far that we can assume failure from them and we would be right. This is just shameful.

I guess my prediction was right in the 2nd post of this thread. It's another EZ-Bake oven: same old product that's been around forever that puts out a lot of heat and produces mediocre results.
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Well captainobvious , on the roadmap there no new products announced for AM3+ so much for your gift of foresight.

Btw did you checkout the thread where one of the [H] forum members overclocked his to 6ghz ?
 
techtechie said:
what im wondering is amd seems to be going with the apu route which could lead to a pretty good market shares if it pans out as it potentially could. so why not make the physical size of the chip bigger to accommodate bigger and better things (hypothetically)?
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it is already 2.5b transistors, which is pretty enornmous for a consumer CPU already.
 
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