RJ cable instead of Coax for modem?

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DarkDubzs

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So today i finally got internet in my new house and i got AT&T U-Verse "Pro" internet with 3Mbps down, maybe i can upgrade later on. So now that ive been looking at the setup they did and i have to ask this. Of course, its a standard wifi gateway, its a modem and router combo... typical of ISP default setups, its actually a Pace 5031NV via AT&T re-brand. I noticed that there is an RJ connector coming in as what i assume is the internet connection for WAN. The cable is green, as is the female connector on the gateway and it just says DSL BROADBAND, the cable is labeled as DATA CABLE. Then there is an RJ45 Ethernet cable also plugged in, obviously into my pc so i can get internet on my pc. Now, my question is why is there no coaxial cable coming into the gateway from the wall to supply the internet connection, as is seen on most typical standalone modems like this(modem i am referring to is on the left--Zoom 5341J)? Instead it appears to be an RJ-11 phone line, as it looks smaller than an RJ-45. There is no coax connector on the default gateway they gave me. So, is there is any difference, pros, cons to using this kind of connection instead of a coax cable?

I plan on sooner or later getting my own standalone modem and router to try and improve performance at all... so would AT&T be able to run me a coax cable instead of the phone line so that i can connect my own modem that only has a coax line-in? Or is there an adapter that i have to get, like an rj11 to coax adapter?

Please help me clear this up. Any help from anyone is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I just answered your other thread....

U verse is DSL. The zoom modem is for a Cable connection....

So no, you can't replace the modem.

You can disable the wireless function of the gateway and use your own wireless router however. It works fine that way.
 
That modem probably supports bridge mode. If it does, bridge the connection to your own router.
 
AT&T is not in the cable business.... if you want Coax call a cable company...

you have DSL, the data runs through the telephone system instead of the cable system... completely different technologies and completely different modem types, there are no adapters
 
goodcooper said:
AT&T is not in the cable business.... if you want Coax call a cable company...

you have DSL, the data runs through the telephone system instead of the cable system... completely different technologies and completely different modem types, there are no adapters
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Thanks. Yeah, it never occurred to me that it was DSL. I thought most ISPs use cable internet nowadays, so i assumed AT&T would too. I know Time Warner does, and i was gonna get them for internet, but i got a tv and internet deal with AT&T, so oh well.

Is there a big difference in using DSL vs cable internet? I know DSL is older, but for low Mbps, like 5 or under, is there really any difference in using DSL or cable?
 
DarkDubzs said:
Thanks. Yeah, it never occurred to me that it was DSL. I thought most ISPs use cable internet nowadays, so i assumed AT&T would too. I know Time Warner does, and i was gonna get them for internet, but i got a tv and internet deal with AT&T, so oh well.

Is there a big difference in using DSL vs cable internet? I know DSL is older, but for low Mbps, like 5 or under, is there really any difference in using DSL or cable?
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Only AT&Ts RG's (modem/router combo) will authenticate our uverse service. An internet only gateway like the 5031 doesn't have a coax port. the 3800/3801 (given when you have uverse tv) do have a coax input for vdsl(we used to convert to coax in the prior years) but are moving away from coax entirely.

AT&T gateways do support bridge mode :)


goodcooper said:
AT&T is not in the cable business.... if you want Coax call a cable company...
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Ty for being one of the few who recognize us as NOT a cable company. :)

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Aside from the fact that I am an AT&T employee, I would take dsl over cable any day (assuming it's not an old neighborhood with crap cables). Especially with the advancements made recently with vectoring and phantom mode. 300Mb/s at 400m in the most recent tests, so you could imagine what could be achieved at closer distances.

(fiber aside)
 
DarkDubzs said:
Thanks. Yeah, it never occurred to me that it was DSL. I thought most ISPs use cable internet nowadays, so i assumed AT&T would too. I know Time Warner does, and i was gonna get them for internet, but i got a tv and internet deal with AT&T, so oh well.

Is there a big difference in using DSL vs cable internet? I know DSL is older, but for low Mbps, like 5 or under, is there really any difference in using DSL or cable?
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Many differences between DSL and cable that you, a prospective IT expert, should, and not to be rude, should already, know.

Here's a good, brief explanation: DSL vs Cable?
 
Muegen said:
Only AT&Ts RG's (modem/router combo) will authenticate our uverse service. An internet only gateway like the 5031 doesn't have a coax port. the 3800/3801 (given when you have uverse tv) do have a coax input for vdsl(we used to convert to coax in the prior years) but are moving away from coax entirely.

AT&T gateways do support bridge mode :)




Ty for being one of the few who recognize us as NOT a cable company. :)

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Aside from the fact that I am an AT&T employee, I would take dsl over cable any day (assuming it's not an old neighborhood with crap cables). Especially with the advancements made recently with vectoring and phantom mode. 300Mb/s at 400m in the most recent tests, so you could imagine what could be achieved at closer distances.

(fiber aside)
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So im going to have to get my gateway switched again when i get my tv service installed? If it matters, it is technically DirecTV, but i guess its under AT&T. Idk, they just told me it would be DirecTV for the AT&T U-verse package i got for $100... Internet & TV, no phone.

So, theres no way i can use my own modem? What if i have it ready and all, then when the tech comes he can authenticate or activate it for use with U-verse? I know TWC does something like that if you choose to use your own (cable) modem... thats why i kinda wish i had TWC internet now :/
Can i at least use my own wireless router? Can i use the 5031NV, or whatever gateway i get after i get TV installed too, as just a modem by disabling wireless, then connect my own router (TP-LINK TL-WDR3500) to the gateway to use that as my wireless router for wifi and hardwire connect devices to, like computers, xbox, etc.
 
DarkDubzs said:
So im going to have to get my gateway switched again when i get my tv service installed? If it matters, it is technically DirecTV, but i guess its under AT&T. Idk, they just told me it would be DirecTV for the AT&T U-verse package i got for $100... Internet & TV, no phone.

So, theres no way i can use my own modem? What if i have it ready and all, then when the tech comes he can authenticate or activate it for use with U-verse? I know TWC does something like that if you choose to use your own (cable) modem... thats why i kinda wish i had TWC internet now :/
Can i at least use my own wireless router? Can i use the 5031NV, or whatever gateway i get after i get TV installed too, as just a modem by disabling wireless, then connect my own router (TP-LINK TL-WDR3500) to the gateway to use that as my wireless router for wifi and hardwire connect devices to, like computers, xbox, etc.
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Your gateway will not need to be switched again if you are going with directTV, only if you went with uverse tv. You can still use your current equipment, just disable routing functions on ours and use your own, and disable the wifi.
 
Muegen said:
Your gateway will not need to be switched again if you are going with directTV, only if you went with uverse tv. You can still use your current equipment, just disable routing functions on ours and use your own, and disable the wifi.
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So i can just do AT&T gateway>My Modem>My router?

Also, is it possible to connect a router to the gateway to extend my wifi range, basically just connect a second router to act as an access point?
 
DarkDubzs said:
So i can just do AT&T gateway>My Modem>My router?

Also, is it possible to connect a router to the gateway to extend my wifi range, basically just connect a second router to act as an access point?
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AT&T Gateway > Your router. (your modem will not be involved with the uverse service, just your router)

I'd suggest additional waps rather than another router if you wish to expand your wifi network further.
 
Muegen said:
Only AT&Ts RG's (modem/router combo) will authenticate our uverse service. An internet only gateway like the 5031 doesn't have a coax port. the 3800/3801 (given when you have uverse tv) do have a coax input for vdsl(we used to convert to coax in the prior years) but are moving away from coax entirely.

AT&T gateways do support bridge mode :)




Ty for being one of the few who recognize us as NOT a cable company. :)

----
Aside from the fact that I am an AT&T employee, I would take dsl over cable any day (assuming it's not an old neighborhood with crap cables). Especially with the advancements made recently with vectoring and phantom mode. 300Mb/s at 400m in the most recent tests, so you could imagine what could be achieved at closer distances.

(fiber aside)
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I wish Failpoint offered that kind of service. We have Time Warner fiber at my workplace, and its nice, but expensive (like six figures expensive). Theres a Fairpoint DSLAM and office literally 50 feet from our office, and the best they could offer us was 6mb/1mb DSL. We even offered to trench fiber to them, since we own the 50' of asphalt that sits between us. Nope. I'm beginning to think they entered into some sort of wager to see how shitty their service could get before people just give up on the internet.

So now we're bringing in 100/100mbit service from 11.5 miles away via Ubiquiti AirFiber.
 
The modem you have is a VDSL RG and depending on the signal coming to your house you can get up to 24mbps internet.

The 5031NV is a pretty decent RG, 2.4GHz 802.11n 2x2 150mbps. The state table is much larger than the old 3800 or 3801 that they used to use.

That being said, if you want to use your own router then you put the modem in "DMZ+ with IP Passthru".

Attach your router and have it pull an IP DHCP
Go into the pace rg, go to the firewall, select your router and select DMZ+
Save the settings
Reboot the pace RG
Reboot your router

Your router will now have a public IP.

If you get AT&T U-Verse TV then be sure to ask for the Arris NVG589. The NVG589 will replace your Pace RG as it can not handle multicast TV traffic.
 
If you went for bonded pair, 45/6 is available. And bds1904 is correct with the above. The 589 is a nice step up from our older models.
 
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