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Does anyone at the Federal Communications Commission even know what net neutrality even means? It sure doesn't seem like it. :(

The principle that all Internet content should be treated equally as it flows through cables and pipes to consumers looks all but dead. The Federal Communications Commission said on Wednesday that it would propose new rules that allow companies like Disney, Google or Netflix to pay Internet service providers like Comcast and Verizon for special, faster lanes to send video and other content to their customers.
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If by faster you mean allow companies to pay not to have their content impaired artificially.
 
Looks like the ISP/Cable Companies have bought themselves a government organization.
 
I don't care what they do just let us watch all the (including new) shows we want to watch on the Internet without having to pat for 250+ worthless channels being forced on us by cable companies.
 
pcjunkie said:
I don't care what they do just let us watch all the (including new) shows we want to watch on the Internet without having to pat for 250+ worthless channels being forced on us by cable companies.
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And what makes you think cable companies (ISP's) will let you unbundle anything now!!!??!!!
Case in point: just moved into a new renatal house. Only option was Comcast or ATT. Went Comcast, as Uverse is uber garbage. For 50Mbs internet ONLY, it would be 59.99/month, but bundle that with basic cable, and price goes down to 49.99/month... Makes sense right....:rolleyes:
 
mzs_biteme said:
And what makes you think cable companies (ISP's) will let you unbundle anything now!!!??!!!
Case in point: just moved into a new renatal house. Only option was Comcast or ATT. Went Comcast, as Uverse is uber garbage. For 50Mbs internet ONLY, it would be 59.99/month, but bundle that with basic cable, and price goes down to 49.99/month... Makes sense right....:rolleyes:
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.. and that's the crap basic cable without HD. And if your favorite sports team is in the playoffs, forget about it. You only get to watch them on the week-end, if they happen to be playing and its being broadcast on a network channel like ABC, CBS, or NBC. :rolleyes:
 
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amddragonpc said:
.. and that's the crap basic cable without HD. And if your favorite sports team is in the playoffs, forget about it. You only get to watch them on the week-end, if they happen to be playing and its being broadcast on a network channel like ABC, CBS, or NBC. :rolleyes:
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..and that's only if your favorite team is the Miami Heat, New York Yankees, or Boston Red Sox.
 
Why is this surprising? We all know every official in every government agency is corrupt in one way or another, the only real question is the degree of corruption. I am sure this guy is just looking out for himself so that when he leaves the FCC he gets a nice cushy job at comcast or other ISP where he can collect a check for the rest of his life for showing his face in the office once a quarter. You don't go to a government job because of the pay, you go there for the excellent benefits and possible payouts for your help getting some rich company's agenda through if you are in a high enough position of authority. Net Neutrality was dead the second this guy was appointed. IIRC he was the one on record at the start that unlimited plans should not exist and every one should have data caps.
 
pcjunkie said:
I don't care what they do just let us watch all the (including new) shows we want to watch on the Internet without having to pat for 250+ worthless channels being forced on us by cable companies.
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It's funny how people think unbundling will save them money, with the way things have been working lately if they do unbundle all the channels it will mean you will still have to pay $100+ a month but will only get 9 channels instead of 200.
 
That's what happens when you put a former venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry in charge of the FCC.

Fox guarding the hen house... :(
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
It's funny how people think unbundling will save them money, with the way things have been working lately if they do unbundle all the channels it will mean you will still have to pay $100+ a month but will only get 9 channels instead of 200.
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It's the principle of the thing. I'd prefer this, and if it means the death of many channels, so be it.
 
LurkerLito said:
I am sure this guy is just looking out for himself so that when he leaves the FCC he gets a nice cushy job at comcast or other ISP where he can collect a check for the rest of his life for showing his face in the office once a quarter.
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Tom Wheeler, Chairman of the FCC WAS a lobbyist for and investor in the cable ad wireless industry before his current appointment...

Absolutely moronic move appointing him by the Obama administration.
 
PeaKr said:
Very interesting article from Netflix.

http://blog.netflix.com/2014/04/the-case-against-isp-tolls.html

Our politicians are nothing more than factions protecting the corporate interests they represent with tiny concessions for the people that never pan out. People better wake up before the midterm elections.
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It's too bad that netflix chose to pay up and then complain. They would have had a better shot at making a difference if they told comcast to go fuck themselves.
 
jpm100 said:
If by faster you mean allow companies to pay not to have their content impaired artificially.
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Seriously. We need to designate the internet as a public utility before it is too late. It should have been one all along anyway. People use it more than telephones for god sake.
 
Who is going to run the servers for the public utility? The lowest bidder, that's who.

That isn't going to foster competition or variety in any way.

Its 2014, how have people not learned this?
 
mzs_biteme said:
And what makes you think cable companies (ISP's) will let you unbundle anything now!!!??!!!
Case in point: just moved into a new renatal house. Only option was Comcast or ATT. Went Comcast, as Uverse is uber garbage. For 50Mbs internet ONLY, it would be 59.99/month, but bundle that with basic cable, and price goes down to 49.99/month... Makes sense right....:rolleyes:
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Oh, I agree but I can dream can't I. :)
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
It's funny how people think unbundling will save them money, with the way things have been working lately if they do unbundle all the channels it will mean you will still have to pay $100+ a month but will only get 9 channels instead of 200.
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Don't have a problem with that if its the only channels I want to watch. Cost wasn't my point.
 
Zarathustra[H];1040788603 said:
Tom Wheeler, Chairman of the FCC WAS a lobbyist for and investor in the cable ad wireless industry before his current appointment...

Absolutely moronic move appointing him by the Obama administration.
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It only looks moronic if you haven't been paying attention to what Obama does vs what he says. Despite being painted as a socialist radical Muslim by many media sources his actual economic and business policies tend to be right of Reagan.
 
pcjunkie said:
Don't have a problem with that if its the only channels I want to watch.
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At some point it will apply to the channels you want to watch. It'll apply to all of them if the media distribution guys get what they want. And there is no reason to believe they won't get what they want with sort of Congress and President we have. Or are likely to get even after the next election cycle too.

Which is a good reason to get angry but not to give up on net neutrality or voting for a better govt. for that matter.
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
It's funny how people think unbundling will save them money, with the way things have been working lately if they do unbundle all the channels it will mean you will still have to pay $100+ a month but will only get 9 channels instead of 200.
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Except that you wouldn't pay $100+ a month just for internet.


Oh yeah, and Hail Hydra! Apparently that's what you need to say to the government get shit you want. Allowing a special "fast lane" mean while the regular lane will degrade and become crap but it's ok, we're not throttling anything we're simply making the stuff people pay us for move at speeds that you can get in your "up-to" internet cost, net neutrality is still in effect!
 
sfsuphysics said:
Oh yeah, and Hail Hydra! Apparently that's what you need to say to the government get shit you want. Allowing a special "fast lane" mean while the regular lane will degrade and become crap but it's ok, we're not throttling anything we're simply making the stuff people pay us for move at speeds that you can get in your "up-to" internet cost, net neutrality is still in effect!
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Yeap, it's the same fuckin thing, just said in a different way to trick people.
 
Oh you KNOW how this will work out. The priority will be given to advertisers.

Hulu and You Tube ads play super fast, but the actual content drags ass.
 
MisterHipster said:
Seriously. We need to designate the internet as a public utility before it is too late. It should have been one all along anyway. People use it more than telephones for god sake.
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Like Chattanooga, TN did? They did it for different reasons I believe but it's still a public utility. I'm jealous
 
The corporate vision (supported by most governments) for the future of the internet will make web sites into for pay channels with a token "public access" channel to claim net neutrality. Time to get serious about an alterNET outside the control of corporations and the governments they own.
 
All of us are fucked, your children especially. Money money money. Less for more. You think the 1% are fucking you now? HAH ... Just wait.
 
Like I've said before, if you want something to become large, very expensive, inefficient, wasteful, bloated, not work, not make sense, and cost tax payers a fortune, then let government run it. kthxbye
 
When you're downloading your content from hundreds of people at the same time, who needs a "fast lane"? :p
 
FCC said this was very very bad for the internet, and now it's doing it, I guess they got the right bribe:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...e-is-awful-for-the-internet-just-ask-the-fcc/

Sums it up very nicely here:
"The proposal is simply not a net neutrality or open Internet rule," Columbia Law School Professor Tim Wu, who coined the phrase "network neutrality," told Ars. "It is a fast lane rule that entrenches incumbents and yields even more money for broadband carriers, who already have profit margins greater than 95 percent."

"The FCC is inviting ISPs to pick winners and losers online," Public Knowledge VP Michael Weinberg said. "The very essence of a 'commercial reasonableness' standard is discrimination. And the core of net neutrality is non-discrimination. This is not net neutrality. This standard allows ISPs to impose a new price of entry for innovation on the Internet. When the Commission used a commercial reasonableness standard for wireless data roaming, it explicitly found that it may be commercially reasonable for a broadband ISP to charge an edge provider higher rates because its service is competitively threatening."

Adjudicating discrimination on a case-by-case basis creates uncertainty about what the rules actually are, "disadvantag[ing] small businesses and entrepreneurs," Weinberg said.
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Maybe we're competing with the Philippines, would have to go that low to look good soon. .
 
I am a leftist who fundamentally believes there can be good government. But I no longer believe that is true for the U.S. Not with all the greed and money that is allowed in our political system. We, as a nation are too stupid to have good governance so we get what we deserve. As far as the U.S. goes, the Libertarians are correct; the less government the better. You can't trust the government to do right by the people anyway so what's the point?

Seriously, I am so tired of having to fight both corporate interests and their bought and paid for lackeys (the U.S. federal government and its associated agencies) at every fucking turn. It's simply too much to constantly have to fend them off as they screw over average Americans. So, I say fuck it, strangle the government to nothing. They aren't using our tax dollars to invest in what maters anyway. Warmongering and imperialism. Bailing out lawbreaking banksters. Huge tax breaks to corporate America. Health care policy that amounts to a windfall for health insurance companies. Energy policy written by Big Oil. Meddling with the internet in such ways that ultimately put the hurt on users. It just gets progressively worse and it will not end. We are now a full on inverted totalitarian kleptocracy.
 
Steve said:
Does anyone at the Federal Communications Commission even know what net neutrality even means? It sure doesn't seem like it. :(
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Hell hath frozen over. I totally agree with Steve ;) What I don't know is if this is all they can do given the last court ruling. Personally, I thought the netflix deal was horrible for consumers (even if as some allege) that it didn't actually break the old net neutrality standards. AFAIC, I pay for x speed (and probably a cap on total bandwidth). That's all my ISp in entitled to. I do agree with granting priority to VOIP over youtube or netflix, but that's a tiny percentage of the ISPs bandwidth (and by voip, I don't mean voip provided by the ISP itself).
 
Methadras said:
Like I've said before, if you want something to become large, very expensive, inefficient, wasteful, bloated, not work, not make sense, and cost tax payers a fortune, then let government run it. kthxbye
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This FCC decision is a direct result of regulatory capture by private industry and has nothing to do with the govt. having direct control over ISP's or the internet's bandwidth.

You should actually read the article and apply some critical thinking skills rather than doing a terrible knee jerk ideological talking point post.
 
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