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Wow, where to start. I read this entire thread, but this post here just explains it all to me:

PayPal has made me do nothing.
I didn't even have to respond for another 10 days.
I pmed You yesterday and told you I would give you a refund before
I knew they were involved. I have no money in my account so I could just
Move on if I chose to. We could have worked this out before if you weren't
acting like some smart ass punk the hole time. You started this thread up before
You even did some simple trouble shooting I asked you to do and before I gave you
an answer. After you pissed me off with all your bs I really didn't care anymore.
Most real Tech guys like me could tell you that most graphic card problems don't
cause reboots everytime as you were describing after the last test you did unless
the card is damaged internally and it wasn't damaged internally here.
Either way I will find out when it gets here because
if it don't work I will take it a part and see if you damaged it with the screws. If you want
your refund I would advise you to remove that Eval from my heat like I ask you to do nicely yesterday when I offered you a refund and you acted like a asshole again and I will do the same for you.
I have to send the funds because there isn't any in there.
Good to see how some of the members put you down after doing business here for 5 years and 157-0.
I didn't get there by ripping people off and far as the gift payment goes I only ask that on expensive items and all you have to do is say no.
I had a legitimate reason to deny his refund and he had a warranty to fall back on.
Thanks guy's.

1) You didn't decide to do a refund, you were forced into it. That is plainly obvious. And you were forced into it by obviously being shady, not just to us here, but to PayPal themselves. All of this could have been avoided if you hadn't had such a poor attitude and reading comprehension skills. You started out being the asshole to the buying, and continued to be the asshole in here. The buyer gave you ever benefit of the doubt. As the saying goes, better to be a silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Which is what you have done here.

2) Where it all falls apart for you is the continual lies and misrepresentation. Following the PMs that were there, clearly there was troubleshooting done before he posted here. Clearly he attempted to settle it amicably through you before posting here. On the other hand, all you have done is come here and attack everyone. That is how your reputation is being dragged through the mud.

3) You keep saying he damaged it with the screws. But you have zero proof of that. And the screws were put in to secure the backplate. And here is where your entire story falls apart. You say you tested the card, that all the screws were accounted for and secure, and that you securely packaged the product. So how did the screws come loose? Are you suggesting that screws magically just appeared in the packaging that you wrapped so securely? Or are you suggesting that while no severe outside damage was shown on the packaging, the screws shook loose even though you "securely" packaged it? Exactly what is your play here?

4) You didn't have a legitimate reason for any of your actions. You had no legitimate reason to ask for gift payment. You had no legitimate reason to keep forcing him to go through troubleshooting steps that he obvious said he went through. You had no legitimate reason to try and force him to do an RMA on a product you sold him which didn't work upon arrival (and yes, working for only an hour does not constitute "working"). And you have no legitimate reason for denying refund as many here have stated and as PayPal clearly thinks.

You got caught trying to pad your wallet. You should have just apologized and offered the refund the minute this thread opened. You could have saved yourself again when you started seeing all the negative responses you were getting from members here. Finally you could have remained silent when you learned PayPal was getting involved as you, yourself admitted. Now your reputation here is ruined, your PayPal is likely going to be hung up for awhile, and you have no legs left to stand on.

What I think truly happened is this: you bought 2 cards for lowered prices hoping at least one if not both would be good. You tried the cards and one of them worked, the other had issues. Perhaps you thought the issues were heat related and tried to mount an alternate cooling solution. That may or may not have worked, but you decided just to sell the card instead. In your haste to get rid of a bad investment, you didn't secure the card properly. Now you are trying to avoid paying the piper for a mistake you made. Your attitude here is probably worse simply because this is the first time you tried to get away with something like this, and you are upset that you messed up and got caught. So now you are mad at yourself and deflecting it to the forum. Of course the other alternative is that you bought the cards just to resell, which given your post history seems just as likely, but would look even worse for you for not even checking out the card before reselling it.

See, I can do the assumption game just like you, only I would say my assumptions are far more reasonable.
 
Reading skill maybe, comprehension not a chance.
Tell your buddy to save his money.
 
Reading skill maybe, comprehension not a chance.
Tell your buddy to save his money.

Obviously your comprehension is piss poor. I don't even know the OP, nor do I ever have recollection of conversing with him/her (although given some of their comments, pretty sure its a him). My only experience thus far is this thread. Obviously your comprehension is horrific. As is your attitude, since you are unable to even contemplate taking any criticism or advice from anyone. Which coincidentally is also horrible business practice as you are trying to sell/trade items in this forum, yet pissing on them people here.

Another reason I seriously doubt your reading comprehension is this nugget right from the FS/FT thread rules which you seem to post in so often (99% of your last 500 posts have been solely FS/FT, the only other 3 posts were for hot deals):

(23) Charging fees for PayPal is not allowed, nor is requesting a "gift" payment for goods (which gives the buyer no protection). Both violate PayPal's TOS.

And what payment method did you ask the buyer to use again? Oh yeah, that's right, gift payment. (Reads above rule), yup obviously your reading comprehension is top notch. :rolleyes:
 
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1) You didn't decide to do a refund, you were forced into it. The buyer gave you ever benefit of the doubt.

2) Following the PMs that were there, clearly there was troubleshooting done before he posted here. Clearly he attempted to settle it amicably through you before posting here.

3) You keep saying he damaged it with the screws. But you have zero proof of that. And the screws were put in to secure the backplate.

these are all absolutely true
 
You actually got paypal to file a claim for a gift payment? That seems incredible considering I got scammed out of $75 once by someone who managed to scam about 30 other people and over $5000 and they never lifted a finger saying it was my fault for paying as gift.
 
i did. i paid the 3% transaction fee on my end when i put the $285.00 on my PP CC
 
i did. i paid the 3% transaction fee on my end when i put the $285.00 on my PP CC

Man, if you gonna cover the fees, why you pay gift. Just pay 3% more, so he gets exactly howmuch he wants. I would understand, if you do it to save 10-15$. This was not smart on your part, but hopefully, theyresolve the issue.
 
Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg
 
Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg


I guess someone needs help with troubleshooting next time.

Glad to see this gets resolved.
 
i wasn't paying attention at the time.

Honestly, the card obviously works just fine. I watched both youtube videos.

This is the second thread in this forum I've read today where the buyer says the card doesn't work and then the seller posts a video showing that it obviously does.

My bet is that there's something wrong with your system, drivers weren't cleaned out fully, or something like that.

The video is very clear from unboxing to using the card that the card works just fine.
 
Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg

I'm glad to see that in the end, you weren't really out anything but time (sans accessories, etc.) but the big picture is still how it was handled. I will stand by my statement that reputation is more important than anything and unfortunately when you sell items, people expect you to be like newegg and take a return for the most insane reasons. I'll state it again, there are risks to selling (such as this) just like there are risks buying items used. I really hope the damage to both of your reps can be recovered after all of this and people learn to communicate well and not to let things degrade to this point over a simple sale.
 
Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg

The only accessories that it came with were included in the box that I returned. an eVGA sticker, the manual (no CD) and a quick start guide IIRC. There were no molex to 6/8pin adapters, DVI to VGA or anything else in there. I have since procured a lower end GPU to see me through and have had zero issues with it. You might think that this would point to the power supply, but the one in use is an eVGA Nex 1500w Classified, so there's little chance of that. I've had zero issues with this replacement card, and it is Nvidia. I did not change or uninstall the drivers that I was using.

It would not, under any circumstances, run 3dMark2011, 3dMark 2003, World of Warplanes, Rainbow 6: Raven Shield, BF4 or anything else that I threw at it. It did not make it past the 2 minute mark in any case, and none of them were run on any more than 1 screen. As soon as it went under load it would only stay up for less than 2 minutes before taking the system down one way or another.

I have watched your videos. It certainly is not buyers remorse. I have bought many things that I decided to not keep. I would just resell it and eat the loss. FYI the missing screw is in video one, center of the card, rear 1/3
 
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$20 restocking fee? You're a vendor now? (Though it looks like it's been roughly 4 years since you've posted in any forum not called For Sale & Trade, so if it walks like a duck...)

I know you two are going to take this to the very bitter end, but come on.
 
I am assuming you talking about my post. If you read the whole thing and watch the video I posted,vyou will card arrived overheating and It only worked after he re-apply the thermal paste. So I was not lying.


Honestly, the card obviously works just fine. I watched both youtube videos.

This is the second thread in this forum I've read today where the buyer says the card doesn't work and then the seller posts a video showing that it obviously does.

My bet is that there's something wrong with your system, drivers weren't cleaned out fully, or something like that.

The video is very clear from unboxing to using the card that the card works just fine.
 
I am assuming you talking about my post. If you read the whole thing and watch the video I posted,vyou will card arrived overheating and It only worked after he re-apply the thermal paste. So I was not lying.

I don't know what to say. He clearly took the card straight from the sealed box, put it in his system, and it seemed to work just fine. He didn't change anything. In the first video he goes straight from the box, no reapplication of thermal paste, then the card clearly works. I don't know if he redid the thermal paste inbetween the videos but in the first video it's fine.
 
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I don't know what to say. He clearly took the card straight from the sealed box, put it in his system, and it seemed to work just fine. He didn't change anything. In the first video he goes straight from the box, no reapplication of thermal paste, then the card clearly works. I don't know if he redid the thermal paste inbetween the videos but in the first video it's fine.

Turk-FX is talking about his own personal experience with a seller. It's in another TTT thread. :)
 
Turk-FX is talking about his own personal experience with a seller. It's in another TTT thread. :)



Yes, Allen5055 said this is second thread stating the buyer complains and cards work. I thought he refereed to my post where my card was overheating. So I am just saying, not every experience the same, and my card was not working out of the box. Seller re-applied the thermal paste, then it was working normally. Anyways, this is not related to this thread, and it looks like issue is resolved here. So I am sure Crosshairs will lock this up pretty soon :)
 
Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg

you win a lot of points back for posting that video...the way you handled certain parts of the transaction might not have been ideal but at least is shows the item itself was not the issue
 
Yes, Allen5055 said this is second thread stating the buyer complains and cards work. I thought he refereed to my post where my card was overheating. So I am just saying, not every experience the same, and my card was not working out of the box. Seller re-applied the thermal paste, then it was working normally. Anyways, this is not related to this thread, and it looks like issue is resolved here. So I am sure Crosshairs will lock this up pretty soon :)

Oh, you are the OP in the other thread. Lol. I thought I recognized your name. Yeah about the TIM. So I had a 290 that came in a batch of 4 that was like 15-20c hotter than the rest, straight from Newegg. I tightened up the screws around the gpu mount and it magically dropped temperature. I really think your card was overheating because of a gap between the block and the chip. TIM wouldn't make it go to 100c but a gap certainly would.
 
So what is that on the floor at ~3:00 of the first video? Side panel? Another computer? Two?

I'm thinking this wouldn't fool Penn & Teller.
 
Wait a minute. 120+ fps in BF4 (High) at 1920x1080 with a single 680? That sound right?
 
either that's the best performing 680 ever or there is something fishy going on.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...e-CrossFire-Early-Performance-FCAT/High-End-C

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Fitting end to this thread just as I thought. The card checked out to work just fine as I knew it would. Nothing but a little smart ass that wanted his money back because the performance wasn't as good on 3 monitors as he thought it would be. I ran the card through a bench mark, a round of BF4, and gamed on it for 2 hours on Bad Company 2 and never skipped a beat. Also, you still owe me the accessories that came in the box that you didn't ship back and a $20 restocking fee for shipping and labor. I ran video of the unpacking and installation of the card when I tested it. I will foward the info on to paypal to see if I can get my parts and fees from you. Just goes to show you, No good deed goes unpunished. Here is the video of the unpackaging and test.

http://youtu.be/j4iLBjcA3ZQ

http://youtu.be/KY9egOuEKvg
 
That was in a spawn point with little to no action. In battle it runs around 70 - 90 fps.

If you look at the graph you posted it says minimum FPS.

The box was missing a DVI to VGA adapter and a power cable adapter in the box.

I put in an appeal to Paypal but I doubt they will do anything.
 
there was no adapter or power cable in the box when the card was sent to me. everything that was sent was returned.
 
If you look at the graph you posted it says minimum FPS.
These are frame rates by percentile. For the green line, 50% of the time the frame rate is greater than 130fps. 95% of the time, the frame rate is greater than ~104fps. And so on and so forth.
 
Just watched the videos. Sorry about the accusations earlier in the thread. I was clearly wrong. I had a guy do the same exact thing to me about 2 months ago. Got buyers remorse then claimed card was defective so he could get a full refund. The unfortunate part for me was guy left me a negative feedback on heatware and never changed it. So not only did he screw me out of shipping costs he also ruined my then perfect heatware because I made a thread on here calling him out on his bs. It's really unfortunate the state of selling off your old hardware anymore. It use to mean something to be a trader on the forums and your heatware and word mean something. Anymore it's just a bunch of guys just trying to lowball you to bottom dollar and then nit pick the tiniest things or wanting refunds just because. I've got some computer hardware just going to waste just because the potential headaches aren't worth the little money I'd make. Good luck on any future trades and if I needed a 680 I'd definitely buy that one. I agree you deserve an apology but if he did this so he could get his little measly $200 bucks back then I doubt you'll ever sniff an apology.
 
What I got out of this thread is that it's probably best not to jump to conclusions and pass judgement lest you want to unnecessarily ruin someones reputation. If you must respond it's best just to do so with possible solutions.

I hope I remember to follow my own advice.
 
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I think both the OP and seller were both wrong. Both sides could've made this a lot easier if they swallowed their pride and tried to fix things. The accusations by many of you also didn't help the situation because, to be fair, none of you should be bashing the sellers 'selling' techniques either. He had sound reason for his issue he was having with the buyer. The seller had every right for a DOA claim but possibly not a return. I don't think this thread shouldn't have been made because every member just caused even more confusion and favoritism in this thread when in actuality none of you truly knew wtf was going on.

What I do know is that you all shouldn't bash a member on how he speaks/types/conveys his message without gathering all the info on both sides. Most of you made to many assumptions early on that caused more issues than needed.
 
I think both the OP and seller were both wrong. Both sides could've made this a lot easier if they swallowed their pride and tried to fix things. The accusations by many of you also didn't help the situation because, to be fair, none of you should be bashing the sellers 'selling' techniques either. He had sound reason for his issue he was having with the buyer. The seller had every right for a DOA claim but possibly not a return. I don't think this thread shouldn't have been made because every member just caused even more confusion and favoritism in this thread when in actuality none of you truly knew wtf was going on.

What I do know is that you all shouldn't bash a member on how he speaks/types/conveys his message without gathering all the info on both sides. Most of you made to many assumptions early on that caused more issues than needed.

We had every right to get on the Seller's case. He gave the buyer a hard time and he repeatedly did not listen to him in messages. He also broke the forum rules by selling through paypal gift, which is a direct violation of the FS/FT rules. He should have just said fine, taken the card back, verified it worked and sold it to someone else. He might have gotten more slack if he participated in the forum at all outside of FS/FT or if he had not asked for gift payment, or if he had treated the situation better.
 
We had every right to get on the Seller's case. He gave the buyer a hard time and he repeatedly did not listen to him in messages. He also broke the forum rules by selling through paypal gift, which is a direct violation of the FS/FT rules. He should have just said fine, taken the card back, verified it worked and sold it to someone else. He might have gotten more slack if he participated in the forum at all outside of FS/FT or if he had not asked for gift payment, or if he had treated the situation better.

He had a sound reason though. He was worried about the damages the buyer could've done to the card so he was weary. Whether he was wrong or right in believing this, everyone jumped to the conclusion that the seller was wrong.

To be fair, a lot of people at one point has used PP gift knowingly on these boards. I am not one of them, but I'm pretty sure it is not uncommon. This is not saying that it is right or gives the seller any leeway, but this shouldn't be pinpointed as a reason to disagree with the seller.

He didn't handle the situation correctly, but it didn't mean he was 'refusing' the idea of fixing the situation until most of you started instigating the issue even more without knowing the full situation. Just say that the buyer did tamper with the video card and it is the reason why it didn't work, wouldn't the seller already have his back on to the wall already given simply because he worded a few things incorrectly and jump to conclusions pretty quick?

I am not siding with either side, but I feel like most of everyone that post in this thread (probably including me) has either slight favoritism against on how someone communicated (not in terms of no communication, but the 'attitude' of it, which, is reasonable if his reason is sound). Their was way too much pride involved in nearly every post.

The situation should've worked out like this:

Buyer pays (preferrably normal esp. when he has already paid fees-- [H] doesn't allow gifts solely because of the 0 protection through PP, in this case, he was protected, because, in essence, this wasn't a typical gift payment)

Seller ships

Buyer has a problem with card, doesn't touch after install, notifies seller

Seller ask buyer whether refund or RMA should occur

Buyer request refund, he ships on his own dime (or if seller agrees to pay)

Seller receive card, buyer gets refund problem solved

The problem that happened in between was the miscommunication from both sides. Buyer shouldn't of had touched the card without seller's consent if the card has already been listed as DOA. Buyer fiddles with card whether how little it was (or how much it was unaffected by it). Seller gets weary of this situation and is afraid of his own safety and doesn't offer refund assuming it is a possible scam.

Seller should've not refused a possible refund (technically happened later on from this thread), and done the refund. By doing this, you would've saved a lot of headache as well. If you had accepted the refund AND tested the card to be damaged by the buyer, PP would not refund the amount purchased. If it was NOT damaged, both sides didn't lose a dime.

Both sides either get neutral or negative feedback with the situation. No one was right and both were wrong.
 
He had a sound reason though. He was worried about the damages the buyer could've done to the card so he was weary. Whether he was wrong or right in believing this, everyone jumped to the conclusion that the seller was wrong.

Everyone jumped to the correct conclusion that the seller was being an ass and that he started off the whole deal in the wrong.

To be fair, a lot of people at one point has used PP gift knowingly on these boards. I am not one of them, but I'm pretty sure it is not uncommon. This is not saying that it is right or gives the seller any leeway, but this shouldn't be pinpointed as a reason to disagree with the seller.

There is nothing "fair" about it. It is strictly listed against the FS/FT rules. It is certainly a reason to call out the seller.

He didn't handle the situation correctly, but it didn't mean he was 'refusing' the idea of fixing the situation until most of you started instigating the issue even more without knowing the full situation. Just say that the buyer did tamper with the video card and it is the reason why it didn't work, wouldn't the seller already have his back on to the wall already given simply because he worded a few things incorrectly and jump to conclusions pretty quick?

Incorrect. He was always unwilling to deal with the situation, the chats showed that. He consistently did not listen to the buyer. He kept going on like a broken record and asking about things the buyer clearly explained prior. He never had any intention of doing anything until pressured by Paypal and the forum here.

I am not siding with either side, but I feel like most of everyone that post in this thread (probably including me) has either slight favoritism against on how someone communicated (not in terms of no communication, but the 'attitude' of it, which, is reasonable if his reason is sound). Their was way too much pride involved in nearly every post.

Which is exactly the correct way to be. It is the seller's job to satisfy the buyer and provide a good experience for them any way they can. And if something doesn't go smoothly, try to fix it or refund it.

The situation should've worked out like this:

Buyer pays (preferrably normal esp. when he has already paid fees-- [H] doesn't allow gifts solely because of the 0 protection through PP, in this case, he was protected, because, in essence, this wasn't a typical gift payment)

Seller ships

Buyer has a problem with card, doesn't touch after install, notifies seller

Seller ask buyer whether refund or RMA should occur

Buyer request refund, he ships on his own dime (or if seller agrees to pay)

Seller receive card, buyer gets refund problem solved

The problem that happened in between was the miscommunication from both sides. Buyer shouldn't of had touched the card without seller's consent if the card has already been listed as DOA. Buyer fiddles with card whether how little it was (or how much it was unaffected by it). Seller gets weary of this situation and is afraid of his own safety and doesn't offer refund assuming it is a possible scam.

Seller should've not refused a possible refund (technically happened later on from this thread), and done the refund. By doing this, you would've saved a lot of headache as well. If you had accepted the refund AND tested the card to be damaged by the buyer, PP would not refund the amount purchased. If it was NOT damaged, both sides didn't lose a dime.

Both sides either get neutral or negative feedback with the situation. No one was right and both were wrong.

It could have happened any number of ways, that doesn't change what did happen. I am sorry but in no way do I feel bad for the seller. He had a poor attitude. His only interaction here is through FS/FT which seems like he is only using this site to peddle his wares. On top of that, he broke FS/FT rules which is the only place he is posting. Then he argued consistently with other forum members instead of just handling the situation and moving on. The problem is that he consistently continued to make the situation worse. Whether he was right or not about the card, how absolutely poorly he handled it probably did irrevocable damage to his reputation here.
 
The card happened to not be defective (allegedly), but the seller attempted to the best of his ability to get it functioning (allegedly). It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to request a refund in that situation, but it does seem unreasonable to deny the buyer the opportunity simply for having replaced screws that should have been securely affixed to the card prior to shipping. I agree that the buyer should have contacted the seller prior to re-affixing the screws, however.

The seller had no reason to assume the buyer was attempting a scam based on the buyer's feedback. Besides, was the buyer not out return shipping costs? What exactly would the buyer have been attempting to gain by paying to return the card to the seller and specifically requesting refund only upon the seller's receipt of said card?
 
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