Issue with Asylum1

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Asylum1, surely as a good seller, you would know better than to post personal information right?
 
Asylum1 said:
I'm sorry maybe you have $300 to throw away just to protect your heatware but I don't.

I am not going to sit back and let this guy piss over me just because he thinks he can.

I back up every sell I make with a no DOA policy or your money back.

The exception to the rule is if you tamper with the product before contacting me or getting a response.

That is the situation here and everyone should understand that.
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If you can't afford the loss, you shouldn't be selling. What if usps lost or damaged it? It is still your responsibility to refund then deal with usps for insurance. This dump it on the buyer or shipper excuse is getting tired and all too abused in the fs/ft arena anymore.
Asylum1 said:
Yea here is the one he is holding out. Looks like he is the shady one.
I love how all his buddies jump on here try and make him look not at fault.
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I think you need to do some research before you cast stones in a glass house. I'm not his "buddy" and I'm just providing input on the issue.
http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=66049&eval=665634&show=to

I never dealt with the op that I can see but I did deal with you. I'm just calling as I see it, no more no less. I have also had people pop a card in, message me and say it was ok, then later inform me there were issues. It happens. Sometimes people pop a card in and boot windows, if that goes ok they assume it's fine only to later find an issue when they load it up or play a game. This is why people abuse the paypal system causing sellers to want a gift payment and buyers wanting to avoid I gift.

The fact remains, you are using a very weak excuse against a trusted member and your reputation is already suffering damage from it. The fact that you constantly imply it's all his fault without providing any proof other than your statement of "it worked fine for me, he needs to rma it" excuse is the issue.
 
While he said "tested good," he did come back to you an hour later with the problems he was facing. For we know is he popped in his rig and used it for all of five minutes when it went out on him and tried all sorts of troubleshooting including physical inspection of the card. That's when he noticed the screws.

I don't understand why you don't just offer a refund and then do the RMA yourself. OP expects a card in working condition.
 
This is all I have left to say. Understand it or get over it. I'm done talking here.

I back up every sell I make with a no DOA policy or your money back.

The exception to the rule is if you tamper with the product before contacting me or getting a response.

That is the situation here and everyone should understand that.
 
This is what Asylum1 posts on his threads

"All items are guaranteed 100% working condition...All prices include Shipping."

It has no stipulations.

If sabregen was trying to actually hide some sort of damage he did to the card why would he even mention the fact the screws had fallen out. He would have just said hey its broke, refund me.

Instead he tried to get a reasonable solution from you but you have been pretty horrible about it.

In the end if you're going to say 100% DOA warranty you should stand by it.
 
Asylum1 shady

Paypal gift for taking

His ass for raping





enjoy your haiku
 
This scenario certainly sounds familiar. Thanks to the OP for making me whole with the 7970 I bought from him this past Fall that also POSTed, but then artifacted and black screened within the hour.

It involved brokering shipping between me and the original owner (who was two steps removed from responsibility but still stepped up) for RMA. OP did the legwork and paid for everything. From Canada to the US and back.

That's a shitty haiku, though.
 
srangara said:
This scenario certainly sounds familiar. Thanks to the OP for making me whole with the 7970 I bought from him this past Fall that also POSTed, but then artifacted and black screened within the hour.

It involved brokering shipping between me and the original owner (who was two steps removed from responsibility but still stepped up) for RMA. OP did the legwork and paid for everything. From Canada to the US and back.
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That's some good karma coming back your way OP. If you have gone the chargeback route it's pretty simple and mostly painless. You can't really lose the case but it will drag on about 90 days. This is the real reason why it's almost always stupid to fight when someone wants a refund, because in the end, if they feel justified, they can dispute the charge w the cc and walk from paypal(or PayPal may Get over it). The customer is always right.
 
check out this gem from Asylum1 this morning

Did you try taking the screws back out that you installed to see if it was a groundlng issue?
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First he insists that I found some random screws and started jamming them in, claiming that I broke it and because I broke it with re-installation of the screws floating in the packaging that he won't refund me. Now he's asking if I screwed with it even more.

Nice try.
 
Just called PP. They're opening an investigation on the seller, all encompassing and not just limited to this transaction. I'll be getting a refund. He'll not be able to do business with PayPal under his current account name, his email address, his physical address, or using his own name or business name any longer.

Try that on for size.
 
sabregen said:
Just called PP. They're opening an investigation on the seller, all encompassing and not just limited to this transaction. I'll be getting a refund. He'll not be able to do business with PayPal under his current account name, his email address, his physical address, or using his own name or business name any longer.

Try that on for size.
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They'll do all that even when you sent it using paypal gift? I'm surprised. Also you don't know yet how the investigation will turn out.
 
allen5055 said:
They'll do all that even when you sent it using paypal gift? I'm surprised. Also you don't know yet how the investigation will turn out.
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Well, if there's a seller who is demanding Paypal gift as payment when he's clearly selling goods, then he's violating Paypal's terms and quite literally robbing them of their due fees. He gets the benefit of their service, and doesn't pay for it. It's abuse of their system, and quite frankly - if this keeps up (not with just this seller in particular, but with all sellers), we may see the "Gift" option disappear. Sabregen has proof in the PM's that the seller asked to circumvent Paypal's fees. Yeah, I understand that Paypal could give a shit about a few bucks (or whatever the fees would have been), but really - it's still stealing no matter how small. And yes, I understand that Sabregen is an accessory to this, but he may get a pass for blowing the whistle.

In my opinion, buyers should stay away from sellers asking for gift payment on the basis that it's against Paypal terms, not because they have no recourse if they go that route (which, as we can see here - isn't always the case). It's stealing.
 
PP's stance was that as a seller, if there's a problem with the item it's the seller's responsibility to issue a refund immediately and deal with want warranty repair or insurance claim on the shipment (also, he didn't add any additional insurance on the USPS Package, just the included $50) on his end, after the refund has taken place. Additionally, if he's selling goods and then demanding a gift payment and then on top of that demanding it to purposely circumvent the fees, that this not only violates the PP TOS entirely, but it is indeed the mechanism that they use to make money and stay in business. In their eyes, he's simply using them as a clearing house and a way to send and receive money without paying for the service, and on top of it, screwing someone out of their money and not holding up his end of the bargain as the seller.

PP isn't giving me a pass because I blew the whistle. In this case, I'm the buyer. I'd be just as fucked if I did what he did and I was the seller. However, I would not ever put myself in that situation. Not only are they not taking this lightly, but it's specifically against their TOS and is a terminable practice, which I have been assured they will be seeking to make happen immediately.

"Try to fuck me, but I'd rather fuck you." - Ice Cube
 
sabregen said:
PP's stance was that as a seller, if there's a problem with the item it's the seller's responsibility to issue a refund immediately and deal with want warranty repair or insurance claim on the shipment (also, he didn't add any additional insurance on the USPS Package, just the included $50) on his end, after the refund has taken place. Additionally, if he's selling goods and then demanding a gift payment and then on top of that demanding it to purposely circumvent the fees, that this not only violates the PP TOS entirely, but it is indeed the mechanism that they use to make money and stay in business. In their eyes, he's simply using them as a clearing house and a way to send and receive money without paying for the service, and on top of it, screwing someone out of their money and not holding up his end of the bargain as the seller.

PP isn't giving me a pass because I blew the whistle. In this case, I'm the buyer. I'd be just as fucked if I did what he did and I was the seller. However, I would not ever put myself in that situation. Not only are they not taking this lightly, but it's specifically against their TOS and is a terminable practice, which I have been assured they will be seeking to make happen immediately.

"Try to fuck me, but I'd rather fuck you." - Ice Cube
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Methinks this post should be stickied for all of those who fall victim to the "I only accept gift payments" scam. Thanks for sharing. Glad they're moving to resolve this for you. Asylum1 - was it worth it?
 
If you pay by gift YOU pay the fees. It's not like PP is going to go broke if everyone pays with gift. Yes it's a violation of the ToS so they might be mad at him for that. But I don't see PP going under seeing as fees are still being paid one way or another.

I pay my fees. Even if someone wants gift payment I'll pay with CC (Checking with them first) and I'll eat the fees. WELL worth it seeing as I get the option to contest should something go wrong.
 
temps were normal in eVGA precision. system was stable until the card went under load. over temp wouldn't cause signal loss, hard lock or system reboot. it could cause a display driver crash, but more likely the fan would simply ramp up to deal with the heat load. that never happened.

PP forced him to issue a refund upon return of the card. It's been sent out with tracking and signature required.
 
why don't you spend a little more and pick up an r9 290? they are going for 300-350 on ebay. I got an R9 290x for 430 recently.
 
i'm set up only for Nvidia... and that is not at all the point of this thread.
 
4745454b said:
If you pay by gift YOU pay the fees.
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This is incorrect. Gifts aren't payments at all. It's for sending money like a free money order. If you want to pay the fees for the seller you need to add money on top of what they are asking. It's not cool for a seller to ask you to do that but if you want to pay them for the seller and still get buyer protection you need to send more than the sellers total.
 
I sent a gift to someone recently. It asked how much did I want to send him, then tacked on fees that I paid. He got $32, I paid more then that.
 
4745454b said:
I sent a gift to someone recently. It asked how much did I want to send him, then tacked on fees that I paid. He got $32, I paid more then that.
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I had a similar experience recently. First time they did that to me... I think it's something new.
 
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Bluesun311 said:
This is incorrect. Gifts aren't payments at all. It's for sending money like a free money order. If you want to pay the fees for the seller you need to add money on top of what they are asking. It's not cool for a seller to ask you to do that but if you want to pay them for the seller and still get buyer protection you need to send more than the sellers total.
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you do get charged to send a gift payment if you pay with anything other than your PP balance. paying with CC results in a 3% transaction processing fee, which I paid.
 
sabregen said:
you do get charged to send a gift payment if you pay with anything other than your PP balance. paying with CC results in a 3% transaction processing fee, which I paid.
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Forgot about that... I carry a Paypal balance sometimes and the last time I sent someone a gift it was free because the money was already in my PP account... If it''s not the sender chooses who pays the 3% fee. You can send money to your Paypal from bank account for free but takes 3 days same as withdrawing.

So, they get you to pay 3% AND you lose buyer protection. Shameful.
 
I'm with sabregen on this one and recommend some sort of [H] action against Asylum1.

This is the way I look at it. It's very shady when someone asks for payment via gift, people, that should be an immediate red flag.

Asylum1 stated that the card was under warranty and that RMAing it wouldn't be a problem, but he's not going to do it. Second flag.

And if I sold something and it was DOA under warranty I would suggest they RMA it directly, but if they wanted a refund instead I would give it to them because that's what a responsible seller does. And the fact that sabregen offered to pay for the return for a refund and Asylum1 wouldn't accept it should be the third flag.

It's obvious what's going on.
 
It's obvious that he either damaged the card or was not satisfied with the performance of it.

Either way I decided to give him a refund so I can find out.
 
Asylum1 said:
It's obvious that he either damaged the card or was not satisfied with the performance of it.

Either way I decided to give him a refund so I can find out.
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Don't act like you just decided to do it out of the kindness of your heart or so you could find out what's really going on. You are now being forced to give a refund. You're a fraud.
 
The card performed hard locks, loss of signal, driver crashes and system reboots quite admirably. Sadly, that's not at all what I bought it for.

As for you "deciding" to to give me a refund all I can say is that you had about as much choice in the matter as deciding whether or not you should keep breathing in order to live. You almost got away with it, too. Unfortunately for you, when I sent the payment through PayPal on my PayPal credit card I paid the 3% fee to do so on my end. I'm covered. It probably doesn't hurt that I put about $50k a year through PayPal either and have done so for many years.

I gave you every opportunity to do the right thing, and you didn't. Now you're going to get screwed. You're my new personal crusade and I'm one insanely focused, relentless and reputable adversary. You made your bed.
 
PayPal has made me do nothing.
I didn't even have to respond for another 10 days.
I pmed You yesterday and told you I would give you a refund before
I knew they were involved. I have no money in my account so I could just
Move on if I chose to. We could have worked this out before if you weren't
acting like some smart ass punk the hole time. You started this thread up before
You even did some simple trouble shooting I asked you to do and before I gave you
an answer. After you pissed me off with all your bs I really didn't care anymore.
Most real Tech guys like me could tell you that most graphic card problems don't
cause reboots everytime as you were describing after the last test you did unless
the card is damaged internally and it wasn't damaged internally here.
Either way I will find out when it gets here because
if it don't work I will take it a part and see if you damaged it with the screws. If you want
your refund I would advise you to remove that Eval from my heat like I ask you to do nicely yesterday when I offered you a refund and you acted like a asshole again and I will do the same for you.
I have to send the funds because there isn't any in there.
Good to see how some of the members put you down after doing business here for 5 years and 157-0.
I didn't get there by ripping people off and far as the gift payment goes I only ask that on expensive items and all you have to do is say no.
I had a legitimate reason to deny his refund and he had a warranty to fall back on.
Thanks guy's.
 
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I will be issued a refund once the card arrives. Your account will be negative. I will not remove the negative feedback unless you do so first and it will not be a condition of my refund. I don't know what you're posting from but I'd suggest your RMA the card yourself and use the funds to go get something that doesn't post one line per sentence.
 
Well it's a good thing that you were not forced by PayPal to provide a refund and accept the return. That was nice of you. I must have been wrong. Oh wait...

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Dear Joshua Supnick,

We decided the claim for the following transaction in your favor:


Recipient's Name: Holland INT.
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Recipient's Transaction ID: 66296312VN2207358

Transaction Date: Mar 25, 2014
Transaction Amount: -$285.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 36S87953S8280010K
Case Number: PP-003-055-520-524

Sender's Transaction ID: 36S87953S8280010K

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After we can confirm your shipping information, we'll issue you a refund by
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shit...guess you're fucked then
 
Asylum1 said:
If you want your refund I would advise you to remove that Eval from my heat like I ask you to do nicely yesterday when I offered you a refund and you acted like a asshole again and I will do the same for you.
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sabregen said:
I will not remove the negative feedback unless you do so first and it will not be a condition of my refund.
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You two both should be reminded that Heatware isn't around for the purposes of extortion, and it most definitely isn't supposed to be used for retaliation.

And please - there really doesn't need to be a "he said/she said" discussion on this. It's just a friendly reminder.
 
Another interesting tidbit... Look at Asylum1's posting history... I only made it as far back as 11-18-2010 (on break at work), but all he's posted in going back that far (except for his TTT :) ), is the FS/FT forum.
 
Asylum1 said:
I have no money in my account so I could just
Move on if I chose to.
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I would hate the credit ding that would come from having a debt go to collections, but that's just me.
 
aVaLaNcHe said:
I would hate the credit ding that would come from having a debt go to collections, but that's just me.
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Yep, my credit destroyed because disagreement with sprint for $50. I end up paying, but still they reported to credit agency. It has been 5 years and still effecting me. I financed a car and paid $1000 more on interest because of it.
 
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