Windows 8.1 Update Tries To Win Back Desktop Diehards

ManofGod said:
*Golf glaps* Nice, really nice. Also out of context but hey, context is not important anyways, right?
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The fact is 8 has a lot going for it and so does Metro/ Modern interface. If you do not agree, that is cool but coming in here and calling me names is just......... :rolleyes:

I make my choices based upon what I prefer using, not on what the internet thinks I should use. Since I started doing that back in the Vista days, I have enjoyed what I use and have less stress as a consequence of it. (I personally just do not appreciate being called stupid, fanboy, blind etc, etc, etc.... nor does anyone else.)

Oh well, better things to do than stress about your others opinions, later. :D
 
blade52x said:
Funny. Windows 8 is the only operating system I've had bork itself and TWICE, since Windows ME/2000 (can't remember which). The first time I got thrown into some infinite boot loop because start up repair decided to launch without my permission (it doesn't even give you the option if you want to go into it or not) and it somehow messed itself up. The second time I had a Windows Update somehow go bad, and the same thing - infinite boot loop but this time it kept getting stuck at the "applying updates" after booting. It fail, then reboot and try again. The solution to that was to shutdown the PC after installing the Windows update, and not restart. Since then, I've disabled everything I could on Win 8 for those mining rigs.
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Yeah, that I can see being frustrating. Although, on your mining rigs, I would have thought you would disable all that stuff regardless of what OS you where using. Are your mining rigs overclocked or do they run at stock settings?
 
blade52x said:
Funny. Windows 8 is the only operating system I've had bork itself and TWICE, since Windows ME/2000 (can't remember which). The first time I got thrown into some infinite boot loop because start up repair decided to launch without my permission (it doesn't even give you the option if you want to go into it or not) and it somehow messed itself up. The second time I had a Windows Update somehow go bad, and the same thing - infinite boot loop but this time it kept getting stuck at the "applying updates" after booting. It fail, then reboot and try again. The solution to that was to shutdown the PC after installing the Windows update, and not restart. Since then, I've disabled everything I could on Win 8 for those mining rigs.
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I've heard of the update loop. I've had to fix it once. It sucks, and it's not too rare, either. Hopefully it's something that can be fixed (with another update! :D)
 
I'm currently on the 8.1 update 1 and it's nothing special.

The new right click context menus are nice, but in their current state, they only work on the home start screen. Trying to use them in something like the mail app just brings up the old bar along the bottom of the screen and you can't use the new context menus. I personally don't mind as I never go past the start screen.

The other new feature, pin apps to taskbar is also nice, but I honestly have no use for it. I never bother with metro apps on the desktop and never will, and I'm sure I share that same sentiment with the majority of the community.

I really enjoy Windows 8 and I even like using the start screen strictly as an application launcher for my shortcuts, but past that, the Metro UI is a nightmare. Things like app options hidden away on the charms bar, overwhelming amount of hot spots, sliding menus coming from the top, bottom, right, and left. Then key apps like the Store are seriously a headache to navigate. It just looks like a wall of text and icons with no structure.

I'm not sure about the tablet space, but the metro interface is seriously an abomination for desktop use. They need to stop trying to push this onto desktop users because the majority won't use it. They need to just branch this into it's own sku version in the future:

Windows 9 Home
Windows 9 Pro
Windows 9 Metro
 
Meh, I still think Metro was designed to kill the desktop. Lets make it as painful and annoying as possible, and they will buy our Xbone, Surface, and Win phones instead.

8 is great with start is back, the god mode folder, resetting your defaults to non metro apps, and deleting said metro apps where possible. It's not a bad OS, I just have to fix it a bit more than I do Win7.
 
blade52x said:
I'd rather just the previous operating system where pinning stuff just makes things a tiny bit more convenient, but is no way required to make it useable.
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That's a flat argument. Excluding habit, no workflow has been made less efficient because nothing except tiny bit of appearance has been changed.

I think MS is using Windows 8 to push more important things, like privacy-grabbing services, while taking the blame for UI - something they would gladly change to make everyone happy again.
 
I have Windows 7 x64 and Windows 8.1 with Media Center dualboot. I have only used 8.1 to play BF4 but I no longer play that at the moment. Honestly, even with this update coming out, I couldn't be bothered to switch to 8.1 as my main OS. Having to setup all my programs and settings again... just not worth the time. 7 does everything I need it to do. Maybe in a year or so when the next format comes calling.
 
Term-X said:
I have Windows 7 x64 and Windows 8.1 with Media Center dualboot. I have only used 8.1 to play BF4 but I no longer play that at the moment. Honestly, even with this update coming out, I couldn't be bothered to switch to 8.1 as my main OS. Having to setup all my programs and settings again... just not worth the time. 7 does everything I need it to do. Maybe in a year or so when the next format comes calling.
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Windows 8 and all its shittiness will be waiting for your in a year or so, don't answer its call. Stick with 7.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
3 Posts before MoG/Heatless came in here spewing the same old tired ass argument we have heard 5000 times, pretty sure that is a new record.

That said, why is this news? Why is this trash article even given the light of day? We knew everything stated in it months ago. There wasn't a shred of even remotely new information. Honestly 8.1 does nothing and just shows that MS hasn't listened and is Still trying to shove this shit down our throats. It is a half assed compromise, nothing more. I don't care about booting to desktop and a "start button" if all that button does is launch metro. Metro is the single biggest problem that all the "haters" have. Dancing around showing it until I need to do anything doesn't fix that.

Apparently MS needs the argument distilled down to terms even a moron can understand.

"I Do Not Want a Full Screen of Tiles."

I "RARELY use the start menu, and the few times I do, it is just to find a program that I happened to forget the name due to not using it in ages. So I don't need something that takes up my entire damn desktop to find that. A list I can quickly scroll for works far better. Every other time, I'll have it in my quick launch or fire off a fast instant search.

What do I want on my desktop? Nothing..except a picture. I don't want a ton of shitty clutter on top of said picture..Just the picture. Want to know how many shortcuts are on my desktop right now? Not a damn 1, so why the fuck would I want a giant ass overlay of tiles?
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Aren't you glad Microsoft gave that to you in windows 8 because that is exactly what they did. You don't need a screen full of tiles. Pin to metro and you have the most organized list of programs in the history of windows. Windows 8 allows faster searching, more organization, and more efficiency than any previous version of windows ever.

Everything you just asked for has been a feature of windows 8 since release and is the reason I switched.
 
Limahl said:
And that attitude is why MS is taking so much shit over Win8 and why they are starting to backtrack now.
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Oh look, someone else took a snippet of my entire post and took it out of context. Well, no surprise of that around here. Perhaps you should go back and read the whole post because I am through hand walking people through comprehension skills.
 
ManofGod said:
Oh look, someone else took a snippet of my entire post and took it out of context. Well, no surprise of that around here. Perhaps you should go back and read the whole post because I am through hand walking people through comprehension skills.
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And... that statement was wrong/false how??

I did read your post, and that's the line YOU wrote that stood out as both condescending and insulting.
 
Change is hard. Its a problem and always will be. You have had the same basic interface for 20 years and they change it up, interesting choice when their main concern should be business users.

I didn't like it at first either, but after learning more about it, organizing, and finding the built-in shortcuts; it is a better OS. Faster, efficient, and intuitive.
 
for Windows 9. Everyone knows by now, it's every other release that's good. 8 was destined to stink.
 
gc8dc95 said:
Change is hard. Its a problem and always will be. You have had the same basic interface for 20 years and they change it up, interesting choice when their main concern should be business users.

I didn't like it at first either, but after learning more about it, organizing, and finding the built-in shortcuts; it is a better OS. Faster, efficient, and intuitive.
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No, it's large amounts of change all at once that is hard. Looking at the difference in start menus from Windows 98 to XP for example. The start menu was still there, but starting with XP MS was trying to integrate desktop items like My Computer, My Documents and such into the start menu as well. No one complained, and it was possible to change it back. They fucked up right now because they forced a completely new interface onto everyone in a gamble to seize the mobile market, which failed horribly. Now everyone who buys a new system is left with a stupid interface. MS is just dumb and the internal executive shuffle at the top proves it.
 
Not sure if it was this update but the thing I hate most about Windows 8 is that it reboots about 10 damn times when it updates. What the hell. There should be a warning like go drink a cup of coffee because this update is going to take 15 minutes.

Anyway, have had it since day one and purchased Start 8. Works just as well as Win 7 but boots a lot faster so there is nothing to not like about Windows 8. Oh, and except for experimenting, I never touch metro apps.
 
Trimlock said:
Why do you need 10? Didn't 11 have perfect backwards compatibility with 10?
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I think it has something to do with the metro IE vs desktop IE. It would always give me the following error... tried everything and ended up going back to Win8.

"Your version of the Siebel High Interactivity Framework for IE required for use of this Siebel application may not be current. I order to download a current version of the Siebel High Interactivity Framework, please ensure that your browser security setting are correct and then log into the application again. Consult your system administrator for details about the Siebel High Interactivity Framework and correct browser settings." error.
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dgz said:
Who's using the start menu? Why? It's useless. Pin the damn things to the taskbar you noobs.
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Why would I pin the 2 or 3 dozen of programs I might use once or twice a month to the taskbar?

As for searching for them, I guess I'm suppose to remember how they spell every utility I might need instead of simply clicking the start button and going down a level or 2.

The biggest problem with the Metro interface (other than being ugly) is that it's flat. It might be fine for someone who just installs office and a couple games, but the flat structure sucks when you have to scroll through several screens trying to find the icon of some utility you need to run.
 
I love everything about Windows 8 except Metro. What's the best start menu/W7 desktop restorer?
 
I wonder if I'm the only person in the world that finds it annoying that skipping the start screen to go straight to desktop in win8.1 causes a slight delay to splashdown? I don't like seeing the welcome screen.
 
dgz said:
Who's using the start menu? Why? It's useless. Pin the damn things to the taskbar you noobs.
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^ This guy gets it.

nutzo said:
Why would I pin the 2 or 3 dozen of programs I might use once or twice a month to the taskbar?

As for searching for them, I guess I'm suppose to remember how they spell every utility I might need instead of simply clicking the start button and going down a level or 2.

The biggest problem with the Metro interface (other than being ugly) is that it's flat. It might be fine for someone who just installs office and a couple games, but the flat structure sucks when you have to scroll through several screens trying to find the icon of some utility you need to run.
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I have no problem with spelling.
Does the program start with an "M"? Win then "M" should be easier than anything in a start menu to find it. Also there is the All Apps screen.

What do you use?
What do you actually put in your start menu?
What are all these dozens of applications? Genuinely curious. Don't be shy.
 
JayJapanB said:
I have no problem with spelling.
Does the program start with an "M"? Win then "M" should be easier than anything in a start menu to find it. Also there is the All Apps screen.
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Not really sure how scrolling through a long hierarchal list looking for something with no idea what its called works any better than the App Screen which displays a lot more info.
 
dgz said:
Who's using the start menu? Why? It's useless. Pin the damn things to the taskbar you noobs.
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I'm with you, but I can't have a messy taskbar, so I've learned to use the Start Screen like it's a full screen Start menu... and I don't understand all the fuss. This realization took me a while but um, you click the spot where the start menu used to be... and holy shit its a full screen version that I can completely customize. Why do I need to see the application I WAS using if I'm about to flip to something else? This way I have a big area to toggle what I'm looking for instead of a small area... so I won't miss click the wrong thing.

I haven't found the need for any metro apps, but they aren't hurting me, either.
 
heatlesssun said:
Not really sure how scrolling through a long hierarchal list looking for something with no idea what its called works any better than the App Screen which displays a lot more info.
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Exactly!

It has icons so you can have recognition.

I hate Metro/modern ui though I just don't use it.
Without using a start menu or the start screen 8 has improved my ui experience.
It just cuts the filler.

Also for house keeping:
(old pre 8.1 shot though menus are the same.)
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I don't mind windows 8 in terms of its performance and features. However I would never use it on my desktop. I mean I shouldn't have to run the calculator app at full screen.... it drives me nuts.

windows 8 is just not meant for desktops, where you have screen real estate. I still use windows 7 on my desktop and will not be changing to 8 ever, maybe windows 9 if its made for desktops. Windows 7 is going to be like my windows xp, otherwise.
 
OMGZ the METRO

My only complaint about the thing is it takes you to X-box video when I click on a movie sometimes...

Hopefully 9 doesn't come out too soon just bought 8 unless it's a dirt cheap.... I paid 200.00 for windows 8 I still feel ripped off considering everyone else got it for way less at the start...
 
ebduncan said:
I don't mind windows 8 in terms of its performance and features. However I would never use it on my desktop. I mean I shouldn't have to run the calculator app at full screen.... it drives me nuts.

windows 8 is just not meant for desktops, where you have screen real estate. I still use windows 7 on my desktop and will not be changing to 8 ever, maybe windows 9 if its made for desktops. Windows 7 is going to be like my windows xp, otherwise.
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lol, wut?
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ebduncan said:
that's not the app....

most metro apps are only full screen.
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He's pointing out it's not necessary to use that fullscreen app. Windows 8 includes all of the same calculator/snipping tool utilities from win 7 but also includes these new metro ones which are nice for touch displays. The trick is uninstalling the metro apps you don't want to use--like the calculator one which drove me nuts, too. For all filetypes you can choose your default programs to open them with just like it is in 7. Honestly the differences between the OSs are not very numerous. I recognize win7 as a pretty limiting UI now that I have learned the ins and outs of win8.
 
the groaning about windows 8 is completely baffling

can't remember a letter of the app you're wanting to run?
feeling forced to use a full screen calculator?


come on, lmao, this is becoming downright embarrassing for [H]. we've got to be the laughing stock of the tech-centric sites if our members can't figure these basic functionalities out :(
 
So they are still not fixing the disaster of a UI that is Metro on non-touchscreen PC's. Microsoft is a complete failure for the last couple of years now.
 
Will this update quiet the I-hate-Metro crowd? Probably not. Will it make Windows users on desktop machines more productive? Almost certainly.
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This is why Ed Bott will never get it. User Interface is either functional or it is not. When you have functionality in a product you have market dominance on should you turn it around and claim the other UI is better, you are not talking about the product or the OS improvements you are talking about USER INTERFACE.

In what point in time does it mean that you can generate more sales by redoing this or changing it for the tablet market MS has about zero to none share in?

Why are you suddenly considered a hater, when it is non functional it is just that.
 
The Windows 7-style Start menu is not coming back
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ManofGod said:
The standard start menu is gone, get over it.
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Hmm. I have a computer with Windows 8.1 and it has a lovely and fully-functional Start menu. That's how awesome I am.

I'll be surprised if MS doesn't cave and introduce something 90% similar to a Start menu, or the option to use it, in time for Windows 9.
 
mope54 said:
the groaning about windows 8 is completely baffling

can't remember a letter of the app you're wanting to run?
feeling forced to use a full screen calculator?


come on, lmao, this is becoming downright embarrassing for [H]. we've got to be the laughing stock of the tech-centric sites if our members can't figure these basic functionalities out :(
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The issue is that people have to start being more constructive with their criticism in a progressive way.
I'm particularly not into the "bring start back" crowd. I would rather people who are so invested in their OS bring up ideas to improve upon what is here other than make it plain old windows 7.

Is the start menu in 7 /modded 8 the best we can do for a UI?
I personally would like to see the features of the Win+X menu added to a button and the task bar to be a bit more developed maybe featuring some native access to the different sections of documents.
Ditch the start screen.
Ditch the start menu.
Push for more of a use of the task bar to launch applications, such as W7 pushed.
Usability of turning the computer on and off as well as wifi connections needs improving from 8 as well.

I find overall the "all apps" page to be a pretty good programs menu. Add a few more features and cut the bs apps from the standard retail version and I think it has potential.

There are heaps of ways they could improve and keeping the start menu as it is currently is not one I see working.

If you want windows 7 then just keep using 7.
 
Logic behind Metro interface isn't actually that bad.

Before average Joe and power users both used the same interface - the desktop. That meant limiting, cutting out advanced features from desktop so that average Joe could use it.

But now separation has been made. Average Joe gets Metro (for checking mail, web browsing etc.) and power users get the desktop. This means that in the future, power user specific features could be added to windows (like multiple desktops). So Windows 8 may be merely preparation to enable development of better desktop.

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user
 
HydroBudz said:
I shouldn't have to scroll left/right to find what i'm looking for in a clusterfuck of unorganized god knows what. Or use the search function every time. It'a a mess.
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So organize the icons and shrink them down to minimal size so you don't have to scroll left/right.
 
metro works ok for a tablet but for a pc who the hell wants fingerprints all over the screen... touchscreens on the desktop are a waste of money
 
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