Wozniak: Apple Should Make an Android Phone

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I don't care if you aren't supposed to say stuff like "never say never" because Apple will never make an Android phone. Never.

“There’s nothing that would keep Apple out of the Android market as a secondary phone market,” said Wozniak–who, it should be noted, is no longer involved in the day-to-day workings of the company. “We could compete very well. People like the precious looks of stylings and manufacturing that we do in our product compared to the other Android offerings. We could play in two arenas at the same time.”
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If you're an end user then for the most part an iPhone or an Android phone isn't going to make a difference. You'll be hard pressed to see any major differences between the products.

Now if you're more tech savvy then the flaws of the iPhone become apparent. Locked down and no open source code makes the iPhone undesirable. Android doesn't need another phone manufacturer, but if Apple were to open source their iOS software then we could see HTC and Samsung making iPhone clones. It would also allow everyone to have more trust in Apple with the whole NSA situation.
 
An iAndroid would probably be more stable than an S3/4/5.
 
Ashbringer said:
If you're an end user then for the most part an iPhone or an Android phone isn't going to make a difference. You'll be hard pressed to see any major differences between the products.

Now if you're more tech savvy then the flaws of the iPhone become apparent. Locked down and no open source code makes the iPhone undesirable. Android doesn't need another phone manufacturer, but if Apple were to open source their iOS software then we could see HTC and Samsung making iPhone clones. It would also allow everyone to have more trust in Apple with the whole NSA situation.
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eh, if you were tech savvy you'd realize that there are plenty of tools available if you jailbreak your iPhone. But why would anyone, tech savvy or no, care about being locked out of their phone's source codes and whatnot? I'm tech savvy and I couldn't care less what makes my iPhone tick. It has the apps I want, the stability I desire, and the clarity of its music player I appreciate.
 
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That should happen too. But it won't.
 
Wozniak being crazy like normal.

But then again with Jobs gone, just about any dumb move is possible now for Apple.
 
If I needed a smaller phone I would love an iPhone running Android. iPhones have excellent cameras, decent screen calibration, and the industrial design is still top notch. I'm put off by iOS though.
 
Ashbringer said:
If you're an end user then for the most part an iPhone or an Android phone isn't going to make a difference. You'll be hard pressed to see any major differences between the products.

Now if you're more tech savvy then the flaws of the iPhone become apparent. Locked down and no open source code makes the iPhone undesirable. Android doesn't need another phone manufacturer, but if Apple were to open source their iOS software then we could see HTC and Samsung making iPhone clones. It would also allow everyone to have more trust in Apple with the whole NSA situation.
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To elaborate on what Azhar said: it's only certain kinds of tech-savvy people that reject iOS because it's locked down -- usually the same ones who'd insist that every part of their PC must be upgradeable. I know power users who prefer the iPhone, whether it's because of the camera or the particular apps they like to run. Some folks simply feel that they have better things to do with their lives than customize every aspect of their phone, as awesome as that can be.
 
Azhar said:
. It has the apps I want, the stability I desire, and the clarity of its music player I appreciate.
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Hey that sounds like an Android. ITunes sucks imo. Always has. I can just drag my music to my phone or off. Hell I can put a 30 gig game on it and take it to a friends house to install on his pc. Apple blows.
 
"There’s nothing that would keep Apple out of the Android market as a secondary phone market,"
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I dunno, would say charging $600 for an android based iPhone might do that. Then again the high end Samsungs are pushing $400 aren't they?
 
Azhar said:
eh, if you were tech savvy you'd realize that there are plenty of tools available if you jailbreak your iPhone. But why would anyone, tech savvy or no, care about being locked out of their phone's source codes and whatnot? I'm tech savvy and I couldn't care less what makes my iPhone tick. It has the apps I want, the stability I desire, and the clarity of its music player I appreciate.
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You should care what makes your iPhone tick because it is a surveillance device that allows Apple, its marketing and advertising customers, the NSA and anyone with sufficient money or political clout to spy on every aspect of your life. In essence, you are carrying around a bug that documents, for every corporation and government, your entire life.

At least with Android, you can replace the stock install with something that respects your privacy like Replicant.
 
ITT: another serving of Apple hate, with a side of misinformation, and a topping of tinfoil
 
sfsuphysics said:
I dunno, would say charging $600 for an android based iPhone might do that. Then again the high end Samsungs are pushing $400 aren't they?
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The top end Galaxy are the same price as the iPhone, unlocked.
 
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It would instantly have the best build quality of any android phone. :eek:
 
They said that about Microsoft, but apparently they're working on an Android phone.
 
That cancerous piece of intestinal leftovers called ITunes is the main reason I would never own an IPhone....

If they dropped that garbage suite I could see it as a viable alternative to Android and even Windows phones...
 
Koncrete said:
That cancerous piece of intestinal leftovers called ITunes is the main reason I would never own an IPhone....

If they dropped that garbage suite I could see it as a viable alternative to Android and even Windows phones...
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you aren't required to use iTunes.
 
damicatz said:
You should care what makes your iPhone tick because it is a surveillance device that allows Apple, its marketing and advertising customers, the NSA and anyone with sufficient money or political clout to spy on every aspect of your life. In essence, you are carrying around a bug that documents, for every corporation and government, your entire life.

At least with Android, you can replace the stock install with something that respects your privacy like Replicant.
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Hyperbolic, mostly unfounded paranoia, everybody!

The claim is particularly ironic when you're pledging yourself to Google, a company whose businesses revolve around advertising and data mining. I'm not suggesting that you should avoid Android (a lot of the fear around it is equally irrational), but Apple doesn't have nearly as many incentives to collect your personal data as Google does.
 
Azhar said:
eh, if you were tech savvy you'd realize that there are plenty of tools available if you jailbreak your iPhone. But why would anyone, tech savvy or no, care about being locked out of their phone's source codes and whatnot? I'm tech savvy and I couldn't care less what makes my iPhone tick. It has the apps I want, the stability I desire, and the clarity of its music player I appreciate.
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My definition of tech savvy is different then yours. There's a difference between people who use products, and people who tinker with them. If I wanted to use a product and have no control over it, then I wouldn't have built every PC I own. Dude, I would have gotten a Dell.

Aurelius said:
Some folks simply feel that they have better things to do with their lives than customize every aspect of their phone, as awesome as that can be.
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Some people are busy posting pictures on facebook about food they eat. Those are typically the people who have better things to do with their lives. At least when you learn how your Linux based phone works, you can walk away with some knowledge.

Aurelius said:
Hyperbolic, mostly unfounded paranoia, everybody!

The claim is particularly ironic when you're pledging yourself to Google, a company whose businesses revolve around advertising and data mining. I'm not suggesting that you should avoid Android (a lot of the fear around it is equally irrational), but Apple doesn't have nearly as many incentives to collect your personal data as Google does.
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I wouldn't trust Google or Apple, but at least I can see the source code to Android and flash my own rom. Can't say the same to Apple.

Personally, I would jump on a Ubuntu phone. Given that they don't pull some fuckery.
 
rflcptr said:
you aren't required to use iTunes.
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Yes, but are you allowed to install a DIFFERENT media player? I do know you aren't allowed to install a different web browser, because it "replicates core functions" or some such anti-competitive nonsense.
 
rflcptr said:
you aren't required to use iTunes.
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Is it simple drag and drop now like Android and Windows Phone? Having to use iTunes was a royal pain in the ass when I had an iPhone 3g.

I really don't think Apple's hardware design is enough to make them stand out. Its mostly just hype/fashion, and people who buy Apple products as fashion accessories want iOS anyway.
 
sir-gold said:
Yes, but are you allowed to install a DIFFERENT media player?
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define 'media player.'
I do know you aren't allowed to install a different web browser, because it "replicates core functions" or some such anti-competitive nonsense.
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well, no. :p you can install a 3rd-party browser such as Chrome, but it uses the iOS WebKit engine and you can't change the default from Safari.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Is it simple drag and drop now like Android and Windows Phone? Having to use iTunes was a royal pain in the ass when I had an iPhone 3g.

I really don't think Apple's hardware design is enough to make them stand out. Its mostly just hype/fashion, and people who buy Apple products as fashion accessories want iOS anyway.
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I agree so much.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Is it simple drag and drop now like Android and Windows Phone? Having to use iTunes was a royal pain in the ass when I had an iPhone 3g.

I really don't think Apple's hardware design is enough to make them stand out. Its mostly just hype/fashion, and people who buy Apple products as fashion accessories want iOS anyway.
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Apple still thinks drag and drop is too much for an iOS user and prefers they use either iCloud or iTunes.
 
Azhar said:
An iAndroid would probably be more stable than an S3/4/5.
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?? I haven't had any crashes with my S4. The major issue is the carrier bloat, if you flash the Google official Roms, it's quite stable.
 
Ashbringer said:
I wouldn't trust Google or Apple, but at least I can see the source code to Android and flash my own rom. Can't say the same to Apple.

Personally, I would jump on a Ubuntu phone. Given that they don't pull some fuckery.
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That's true, but having access to the source code of your phone is still important only to a teeny fraction of people, and it's not something that any mobile OS developer must do -- nor should normal owners care about it. Fight for freedom in the political world, where it really matters.
 
I don't like Apple for many reasons, but the did make a good name for themselves for making a good end to end integrated product. There is a reason the iPhone; even the iPhone 5s; can have such a great user experience and performance on a relatively low-resource dual core processor. I'd be very interested to see how an analogous android platform would function if it were more like an integrated platform. Maybe it would be better, maybe it wouldn't matter. Still curious.
 
Makes sense as it's the same approach as offering MacBook the flexibility of running a niche OS X or more widely used Windows. In this case you benefit from a more intuitive and stable Android OS with integration of the best services such as Google Maps, Gmail, YouTube, Drive, Docs/Apps, etc. It also opens up options so if you're tired of waiting on Apple to catch up with the rest of the industry and offer a larger display, 802.11ac, 3GB DRAM, longer battery life, precision pen, AMOLED, etc. you can pick up a Note 3, LG G2, Nexus 5, etc.
 
Aurelius said:
That's true, but having access to the source code of your phone is still important only to a teeny fraction of people, and it's not something that any mobile OS developer must do -- nor should normal owners care about it. Fight for freedom in the political world, where it really matters.
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You don't everyone to check the code. If there's something fishy in the code, it'll be found out. For example, there's enough developers at XDA-Developers working on the code that anything that shows up would be called out on. That's how Carrier IQ was found out, even though there wasn't any source code for it, but someone saw something fishy and it became a big deal.
 
mi7chy said:
Makes sense as it's the same approach as offering MacBook the flexibility of running a niche OS X or more widely used Windows. In this case you benefit from a more intuitive and stable Android OS with integration of the best services such as Google Maps, Gmail, YouTube, Drive, Docs/Apps, etc. It also opens up options so if you're tired of waiting on Apple to catch up with the rest of the industry and offer a larger display, 802.11ac, 3GB DRAM, longer battery life, precision pen, AMOLED, etc. you can pick up a Note 3, LG G2, Nexus 5, etc.
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It's the same approach yes, but the big difference is that iOS is far from a niche OS. Apple makes way too much money on iOS and the appstore to turn around and make an Android device or device capable of running Android. As long as iOS marketshare is still substantial enough to where Apple doesn't feel the need to branch out, this won't happen.
 
People may complain about iTunes, but some people's iTune Libraries is what keep them wedded to Apple. It probably helps slow Apples' trajectory of a declining percentage of the market.

We only see the end user differences, but if Apple creates significant differences for carriers, when they percentage of the market is low enough carriers are going to tell them to align with android or bye-bye.

Regardless Apple's trajectory (lost 10% of market from 2012 to 2013) is heading for obscurity and an Android offering would slow that. They would have to start working on one now to avoid being too late. They can't afford marketshare loss like that and be taken seriously by carriers.
 
All I say is that we could do with more centrally administered Android phones that get the updates pushed out as and when they happen rather than at the mobile vendors discretion or indiscretion.
 
Spidey329 said:
?? I haven't had any crashes with my S4. The major issue is the carrier bloat, if you flash the Google official Roms, it's quite stable.
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No crashes with your S4? How is that even possible? My S4 has been the buggiest, lagiest, most crash prone phone I've ever owned. I've had to disable nearly every "S" app, run a new launcher, and tweak dev settings just to get it to be a decent, semi-quick phone.
 
Wazniak has a point. Apple could tap a market that desires feature rich products instead of a standard platform that rarely changes.
Me, i would go with any company that would put webOS back on the phone market. My Touchpad is still rocken, though i normally boot into cyanogen, but i love firing up webOS and using the best mobile UI ever made. still hate you HP... burn in hell! :mad:
 
oshia86 said:
No crashes with your S4? How is that even possible? My S4 has been the buggiest, lagiest, most crash prone phone I've ever owned. I've had to disable nearly every "S" app, run a new launcher, and tweak dev settings just to get it to be a decent, semi-quick phone.
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IMHO custom, debloated stock, and/or modified stock (semi-custom) ROMs are the only way to go with Android phones.
 
CrimsonKnight13 said:
IMHO custom, debloated stock, and/or modified stock (semi-custom) ROMs are the only way to go with Android phones.
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Pretty much what I've gathered from it all. Really thinking the Nexus line will be where I go next. I'm hoping the 6 has a much improved camera and speaker.
 
oshia86 said:
Pretty much what I've gathered from it all. Really thinking the Nexus line will be where I go next. I'm hoping the 6 has a much improved camera and speaker.
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I forgot to add that with Google & Google Edition phones, AOSP-based ROMs are just as good as custom ROMs.
 
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