OFFICIAL: Catalyst 14.1 Specific Installation / Support / Issues Feedback Thread

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This thread is for specific issues related solely to Catalyst 14.1 Beta driver.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx

Discuss BF4 Mantle Performance Here - http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1804582

In this thread, troubleshooting broken CrossFire, broken Eyefinity, negative performance scaling, anything related to 14.1 and what is not working for you.

Perhaps we as a community can help AMD by culminating all these issues into one area AMD can look at and see what needs to be fixed.

Good Luck!

-Brent
 
I don't know if it's just me but this driver has broken CrossFire for me entirely. It doesn't work in BF4 in either Direct3D or Mantle, and I am getting negative scaling in Far Cry 3. I've installed it a few different times including removing my old drivers first and installing from scratch.

I'm trying again now with a full wipe using DDU, so we'll see.

EDIT: No dice. Drivers not working for me at all. Back to 13.12.
 
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Quoting what I said in another closed Mantle thread

Driver did not treat my 7950 very well...

With Mantle enabled, I was getting some odd jitter/frame skipping. Under DX11, my game would crash frequently

Frame rate-wise, I didn't really see a noticeable improvement. I understand the 7000 series tweaks are not fully implemented, but users on the BF4 forums are reporting large gains on their 78xx series.

Back on 13.12 and all is well. I will wait for a revision or 2 before I try again.
DX 11 performance is quite solid for me anyway so i'm not terribly let down.

These were my steps when installing the 14.1's initially:
1: uninstalled 13.12 driver via CP. Selected all item boxes during custom uninstall.
2. Rebooted into safe mode , Ran DDU latest ver. and rebooted again.
3. Manually deleted the AMD/ATI folders and ran Ccleaner to dust out any temp
4. Installed 14.1

Still had the crashes in DX11 and frame stalls using Mantle. If I missed anything, someone do let me know.
Used the same method when going back to the 13.12s and everything is running very smoothly.
 
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AMD says no workee so good in CF, so I'm going to wait until they fix it.:mad:

Looks like some people are seeing huge gains......hopefully this is going to be a big deal.:D
 
you aren't alone -- i did a CLEAN install of 14.1 drivers on Win8.1 64 bit. 2500k overclocked, R9 290's crossfire.

BF4 patched with mantle and I have crappier performance than I did with 13.12 and DX11. Crossfire seems totally broken.

Only getting 20-30fps on ultra quality at 1440p... disabling crossfire does not help, in fact when I try to run the game on a single card, I get a total freeze of BF4.exe and have to ctrl-alt-delete. Also seems the driver has some issue with Win8.1 and sleep/monitor deactivation.

Stepped away from the PC for a while, came back to a non responsive display (you could hear windows doing things in the background if I clicked around, but couldnt get a task manager or anything, had to hard boot.

I also get audio corruption if I activate vsync in game.

My feedback? Just as I though -- AMD's latest driver "fixes" one thing and breaks 5 others. My first experience with mantle is total garbage. I realize others out there are getting great results and that's awesome. For me this is the same as any other AMD release though... broken shit. You can't say I don't support AMD, I have 6 high end cards in my house alone, too bad getting a working stable driver seems to be an impossibility.
 
I'm pretty frustrated at this point. I've had one annoying issue or another for the entire time I've owned these cards. I was hoping my experiences with CrossFire would be better than it was with 5870s, but so far I'm not super thrilled. Which is disappointing because on paper I like these cards more than NVIDIA's offerings, but I don't have the patience to deal with driver bullshit for months. We'll see how it goes once they fix whatever is broken in this set. Hopefully it doesn't take too long.

Submit your bug report here if you have issues BTW:

http://www.amd.com/betareport
 
I'm seeing absolutely no performance gains using mantle in BF4. I do in Star Swarm, it nearly doubles my FPS. I uninstalled AMD drivers by following the directions on AMD site, then I uninstalled my first 14.1 install using that DDU program in safe mode, redownloaded and reinstalled the 14.1 betas and still the same.

Also, I have to disable my HD4000 in device manager to prevent both bf4 from crashing on selecting options, and to prevent Star Swarm from hanging and crashing when I select the Mantle test.

Not impressed so far... not sure what else to try.
 
well apparently the 14.1 drivers break mining for me. Shame I received such great gains in star swarm and bf4.

tried a clean install using amd driver remover, reinstalled 14.1 and sdk still broken. I was starting to get little black squares all over the screen and things were acting weird. Beta drivers are beta.

I decided to revert back to 13.12 for now.
 
Performance is good in BF4. One thing I noticed is I get this occasional stutter now, though.
 
well - outside of every issue I'm having with mantle + Bf4 (crappier performance audio corruption, extreme dropping of frames, no crossfire support) just to name the big ones...

driver is totally unsuitable for mining -- even with crossfire disable, my once mighty cards that hashed at 820Khash/sec were now maxing at 600 and 80hkash respectively.

Going to bed tonight -- uninstalling 14.1 tomorrow morning - very disappointed in AMD but not at all surprised, this driver is just like all the others they have released. Half baked, supreme beta, and a total waste of my time.
 
Why are you downloading a beta and getting annoyed at beta-y things happening
 
Why are you downloading a beta and getting annoyed at beta-y things happening
Well typically beta, for both AMD and NVIDIA, means "newer driver we haven't submitted for WHQL yet", not really "driver where some shit is totally broken". :p
 
Why are you downloading a beta and getting annoyed at beta-y things happening

Because it’s not really beta it’s alpha with enough in the known issues list alone that it shouldn’t really be beta? Maybe they could have just released some kind of encapsulated demo of BF4 or even just starswarm(?) to let people check it out or just waited a few months.
 
I shoulda read this before wiping my driver and upgrade to 14.1
AMD Eyefinity configurations utilizing portrait display orientations are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™

Now, BF4 would crash immediately on fullscreen 3600x1920. I also tried running the game on my extended 1080p screen and still crash after awhile. DX11 runs fine but as soon as I enable Mantle. Everything just seem to hang and stopped working. Back to 13.12 I guess :(
 
Also, I have to disable my HD4000 in device manager to prevent both bf4 from crashing on selecting options, and to prevent Star Swarm from hanging and crashing when I select the Mantle test.

I have this too - I usually run my secondary monitor off of my HD 4600, but Star Swarm and BF4 both crash instantly if I try to run Mantle while it's enabled. Disable the iGPU and everything works fine.

Hopefully just a temporary driver bug.
 
I'm getting system crashes trying to load into a map after the update. Bummer. Can't even get in to switch it back to DX11
 
Well I cant enable Crossfire for some reason. It shows up in CCC under hardware as a "disabled adapter" but under performance the option for crossfire doesn't exist. In games I only have one GPU active. The whole point for this driver (for me) was to enable frame pacing in eyefinity at 7680x1600. :p Any Ideas?

I originally installed over top 13.11BetaV7, Restarted, Nadda.
Then I uninstalled, restarted, reinstalled, restarted, Nadda.
 
Why are you downloading a beta and getting annoyed at beta-y things happening

because every driver released by AMD the past 6 months it seems had the "beta" tag attached to it.

It took forever to get to version 13.12 that actually did NOT have a beta tag attached to it, and actually worked pretty well.

No one wants mantle to work and their drivers cleaned up more than I do. I downloaded star swarm and it works amazingly well on my machine. Guess what though, that's a demo hence I don't really give a shit beyond the 5 minute "oh that's cool".

Bottom line they released a driver that sucked, and broke way way wayyyyy more things than it fixed. This is par for the course for AMD it seems, i'm not shocked, I'm not surprised. This has happened more than once.

After all is said and done, my personal opinion... like battlefield they promised more than they could deliver in the time they had to do it. They realized they couldn't do it in December, so they promised January. January came and went and they scrambled to get something half baked out the door on the 1st of Feb just so they could tick a box that says "see we released mantle, yay us"

I'd have much preferred they kept their mouth shut, taken the Valve approach and said "when it's done", and put out something that works in march if they had to. They failed hard with their first impressions with me. (and I was a huge supporter)
 
I'm getting system crashes trying to load into a map after the update. Bummer. Can't even get in to switch it back to DX11

Try modifying your PROFILESAVE_profile in \Documents\Battlefield 4\settings\ and modify this line to "GstRender.MantleEnabled 0".
 
I have this too - I usually run my secondary monitor off of my HD 4600, but Star Swarm and BF4 both crash instantly if I try to run Mantle while it's enabled. Disable the iGPU and everything works fine.

Hopefully just a temporary driver bug.



This is a known bug in the problem list.
the issue I have....as always....the problem list is bigger than the advantage list and MAJOR shit is always broken.

Why even release these drivers if they suck in Crossfire and secondly don,t let you enjoy the game.

I'm really getting tired of the AMD nonsense. I keep telling myself they are one day going to rise up out of this pattern, but it just keeps happening......and I just keep throwing money at them.
 
This is a known bug in the problem list.
the issue I have....as always....the problem list is bigger than the advantage list and MAJOR shit is always broken.

Why even release these drivers if they suck in Crossfire and secondly don,t let you enjoy the game.

I'm really getting tired of the AMD nonsense. I keep telling myself they are one day going to rise up out of this pattern, but it just keeps happening......and I just keep throwing money at them.

same here -- the only reason i have 6 high end AMD cards in my house is for mining... if they didn't have that I'd be on team green long long ago.
 
I'm really getting tired of the AMD nonsense. I keep telling myself they are one day going to rise up out of this pattern, but it just keeps happening......and I just keep throwing money at them.

Ha, same here. After my 5870 CFX experience was terrible, I said "never again!" Naturally, I now have 290x CFX. Why? Because I'm an idiot.
 
This is a known bug in the problem list.
the issue I have....as always....the problem list is bigger than the advantage list and MAJOR shit is always broken.

Why even release these drivers if they suck in Crossfire and secondly don,t let you enjoy the game.

I'm really getting tired of the AMD nonsense. I keep telling myself they are one day going to rise up out of this pattern, but it just keeps happening......and I just keep throwing money at them.

I think there should be a 2 or 3 page questionnaire to re-affirm that you understand what the word BETA means.

Here is my solution, download 13.12 WHQL drivers and dont worry about mantle or any other BETA driver until a stable final release drivers and well designed ports are out.
 
Look some of you KNOW from experience that AMD Beta drivers are Beta in the truest sense of the word. Please stop installing experimental drivers and then complaining that they are experimental. This is like complaining that DayZ standalone is in an Alpha state of development even though the store page is emblazoned with the words "Early Access", "Alpha", and "Bugs" all over it. Obviously there is a reason why some people like certain things and not others. Stop torturing yourselves! Use what you know that works. Leave the Beta testing to others that actually enjoy it.
 
IMO, being "beta" status does not mean that the driver has to shit the bed. I've tried numerous beta drivers from Asus and nvidia with pretty much no issues - in fact, those two companies specifically have great beta drivers, on average. Not to say they're perfect, but the point stands: beta should not mean "shit the bed". Honestly, I always had problems with the vast majority of "beta" drivers with 7970s (in 2012) with the #1 problem rebooting to a perpetual black screen with any beta driver - so I generally stuck to WHQL while I used those cards. But, it is not unreasonable to think with the level of Mantle hype happening - and AMD mentioning that it was in development for 2 years on their end, that the driver experience would be a little better.

That's the only reasonable pro-consumer view to take, period, end of story. AMD's marketing for the 290 cards tied in heavily with Mantle, so you'd think that they would make the Mantle experience a little better than it has been. Again, that's the reasonable pro consumer view after having listened to AMD brag about "2 years in development" and how great Mantle would be. Mantle is promising, but everything hinges on proper software support. Just IMO.

Before I get called an nvidia fanboy here, and I know it always happens because some AMD users are super sensitive, i'll point out that I spent years giving AMD money for their cards. My preference changed for the other brand after having too many issues, but I won't get into that. The main point i'm getting across here is: Fact of the matter is, given the level of hype and marketing for Mantle that happened for the 290 cards, the reasonable pro consumer view is that this should have been fleshed out way better for release. I challenge anyone to argue against that.
 
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IMO, being "beta" status does not mean that the driver has to shit the bed. I've tried numerous beta drivers from Asus and nvidia with pretty much no issues - in fact, those two companies specifically have great beta drivers, on average. Not to say they're perfect, but the point stands: beta should not mean "shit the bed". Honestly, I always had problems with the vast majority of "beta" drivers with 7970s (in 2012) with the #1 problem rebooting to a perpetual black screen with any beta driver - so I generally stuck to WHQL while I used those cards. But, it is not unreasonable to think with the level of Mantle hype happening - and AMD mentioning that it was in development for 2 years on their end, that the driver experience would be a little better.

That's the only reasonable pro-consumer view to take, period, end of story. AMD's marketing for the 290 cards tied in heavily with Mantle, so you'd think that they would make the Mantle experience a little better than it has been. Again, that's the reasonable pro consumer view after having listened to AMD brag about "2 years in development" and how great Mantle would be. Mantle is promising, but everything hinges on proper software support. Just IMO.

So beta status shouldn't mean a driver is beta, right. How about having the stupid nvidia driver installer completely bork my system to the point of me having to reinstall the entire OS. I didn't upgrade my nvidia drivers for close to 6-7 months after that happened and even then I knew there were driver sets that I had to stay away from, especially with the 660 Ti, which seemed to be plagued with tons of driver issues for some reason. I survived and got over it.

If you're happy with the current set, dont upgrade! Also Mantle is for an entire line of current and prior generation of cards. So it being "tied in heavily" to the 290 is hogwash.
 
Well typically beta, for both AMD and NVIDIA, means "newer driver we haven't submitted for WHQL yet", not really "driver where some shit is totally broken". :p

thats only Nvidia.. AMD's beta's are actually beta drivers.
 
thats only Nvidia.. AMD's beta's are actually beta drivers.
I didn't have any problems with AMD's last round of 13.11 betas. In fact the 13.11 Beta 9.5 and the 13.12 WHQL driver are the same driver.

I don't mind issues with Mantle or some quirks being that these are very fresh betas, but they broke a lot of basic functionality that was working for me before in earlier releases. It seems they work great for single GPU users which is promising, but once again CrossFire users seem to be getting screwed. Disappointing.
 
I'm really getting tired of the AMD nonsense. I keep telling myself they are one day going to rise up out of this pattern, but it just keeps happening......and I just keep throwing money at them.

I feel the same way. Mining is pretty much the only reason I'm still running these cards.

Every other beta I've installed has worked fine till this point. Rolled back to 13.12 drivers for the time being.
 
I think there should be a 2 or 3 page questionnaire to re-affirm that you understand what the word BETA means.

Here is my solution, download 13.12 WHQL drivers and dont worry about mantle or any other BETA driver until a stable final release drivers and well designed ports are out.

HaHa......you a very funny man.
Please read what the guy below has to say.
I am currently running 13.11 beta9....yup a beta that works just fine.
After reading the mantle driver release notes, I skipped even downloading the 14 beta, primarily because I have crossfire, which is broken......
If you have any history with ATI/AMD you'll recall that they have had more driver issues through the years....this isn't an isolated case. I've bought cards since the 3000 series and there have been numerous performance issues with drivers, and especially late to the show. It's just disheartening. AMD has promised over and over to fix this, to no avail.

I didn't have any problems with AMD's last round of 13.11 betas. In fact the 13.11 Beta 9.5 and the 13.12 WHQL driver are the same driver.

I don't mind issues with Mantle or some quirks being that these are very fresh betas, but they broke a lot of basic functionality that was working for me before in earlier releases. It seems they work great for single GPU users which is promising, but once again CrossFire users seem to be getting screwed. Disappointing.

I agree.

Generally speaking, AMD beta drivers are truly beta, but even in that context, why release a driver that cripples your Crossfire?. Especially when mantle has been hyped up the ass. I realize this is new stuff, and may be awesome.....but don't hype it for 6 months and tell everybody how great it is and then fail to implement it, while crippling otherwise normal games.
 
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Because there are other people in the world than just you.

Why delay drivers that are perfectly acceptable for us single card users?

it says crossfire is broke. Dont use them. use 13.12.

simple.

and btw, for those that dont know, xoleros doesnt own an AMD card.

I expect PRIME1 to show up as some point.
 
Because there are other people in the world than just you.

Why delay drivers that are perfectly acceptable for us single card users?

it says crossfire is broke. Dont use them
I understand that. My frustration is that I have had one issue or another the entire time I've had these cards. The 14.1 betas actually fix a lot of the issues (or at least it claims so in the release notes) but I can't use them because they don't work with CrossFire. It's just frustrating. I would like to have one 100% fully functional driver. But I digress. I am glad that others are having positive experiences with single GPU. I'll wait for another updated 14.1 beta, I'm sure AMD will be updating these soon-ish.

Although at least with the 13.12 drivers the problems are minimal, I just have some audio crackling with some games with CrossFire enabled.
 
Because there are other people in the world than just you.

Why delay drivers that are perfectly acceptable for us single card users?

and btw, xoleros doesnt own an AMD card, hes just in here trolling,

I owned 5870s, a 6970, and I did own 7970s and in fact sold them to H users. In fact, I do believe the 7970s are on my heatware if you think i'm making the shit up. Go look it up. Please. I got pretty fed up with CF and surround and just went single card for a while until I ended up just selling both. To other H users. Fact of the matter is, that was my experience with AMD beta drivers, so don't tell me i'm trolling. I gave AMD thousands of dollars. I sold my cards to other H users (the 7970s anyway). What i'm saying is the reasonable pro consumer view is to expect this shit to be fleshed out after so many months of hype. Period. Argue against the pro consumer view, stop seeing red. I would say nothing if my beta AMD experience had not been similar, I had been looking for AMD to improve in this respect. I want them to improve. I want them to improve in terms of software to bring more competition to nvidia - I don't like nvidia's prices, even though I prefer their products.

My entire point was, I think, that this should have been more fleshed out and ready for consumers since AMD revealed Mantle as their "killer app" at GPU14. It was hyped beyond belief for the 290 and 290X, and now this? Come on. Think in terms of the consumer mindset. I don't think your view, being so forgiving, is a reasonable consumer viewpoint. If you paid AMD 1000$+, you expect this stuff to work more reasonably well. Period.
 
Irrelvent.

You do not currently own one, so you have no reason to be here other than to irritate people trying to fix their issues.

back on topic: Anyone having OGL issues (minecraft) you can grab the files from 13.12 and drop them in your game directory.
 
Because there are other people in the world than just you.

Why delay drivers that are perfectly acceptable for us single card users?

it says crossfire is broke. Dont use them. use 13.12.

simple.

and btw, for those that dont know, xoleros doesnt own an AMD card.

I expect PRIME1 to show up as some point.

You're correct. Yup there are.
That being said, Crossfire is pretty much the last item on the list to be "fixed".
It's just frustrating, but it's not unexpected these days.
I was hoping that now that the CF bridge has been eliminated and this is a new generation, things would improve, that's all.
 
I understand the frustration, believe me i do.

But you have to be realistic.

Prioritization of functionality and bugs always goes to the biggest market segment. Thats where their money comes from. If they dont make any money, none of us get anything, let alone exotic solutions.

That segment isnt Crossfire, unfortunately. Its single card high-low (under $200)
 
I understand that. My frustration is that I have had one issue or another the entire time I've had these cards. The 14.1 betas actually fix a lot of the issues (or at least it claims so in the release notes) but I can't use them because they don't work with CrossFire. It's just frustrating. I would like to have one 100% fully functional driver. But I digress. I am glad that others are having positive experiences with single GPU. I'll wait for another updated 14.1 beta, I'm sure AMD will be updating these soon-ish.

Although at least with the 13.12 drivers the problems are minimal, I just have some audio crackling with some games with CrossFire enabled.

Exactly what I'm facing since I have these cards, its nothing but trouble. Only cat 13.11 V9.2 worked allright, but had blackscreens.

After V9.4 I couldn't run with v-sync. due bad perf and soundcrackling.

I have alot of new things, win 8.1, a 4K screen, so I took some issue's in account at first
But after a few months I expected decent dx-perf. more or less, but no, this is the worst "nightmare" come true. Just about everything crahes, freezes, or has bad perf.
Dx9 CF is not supported, I never saw that coming!!, but also dx10, -11 and mantle won't run properly or not at all.

I really wanted to keep these GPU's, as when they run ok, it's the best performing piece I 've seen to date, but they testing my patience to the extreme.
 
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