Google to Kill Nexus Brand Next Year

Not super surprising as the Nexus devices are getting close to just Google Play Edition devices any how.
 
Grentz said:
Not super surprising as the Nexus devices are getting close to just Google Play Edition devices any how.
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I agree. If I can only have one or the other; a Nexus 5, or Galaxy S5 GPE, I'd take the S5 Edition all day long.

Only issue is the price. GPE phones cost $650, where as the Nexus phones are super cheap @ $299 - $349.

If they could get the GPE phones in more of a middle range price of like $475, I think more people would buy them.
 
Odds are that this is completely false.

Murtazin is frequently wrong these days. Why does anyone trust what he says? If he doesn't produce hard evidence, you have to assume that he's simply making it up.
 
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Zorachus said:
Only issue is the price. GPE phones cost $650, where as the Nexus phones are super cheap @ $299 - $349.
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This. I would say that is THE issue with getting rid of the Nexus line. Look at the price difference between the Nexus 5 and the S4 Google Play Edition and then look at the specs. I just hope the others get more competitive with their pricing if they do kill of the Nexus Line.

Then again, Google owns Motorola now so maybe they'll just start releasing Google Play Editions of Motorola phones for cheap like they started to do with the Moto G. Or more than likely they will develop a exclusive Play Store Motorola phone that you can only get through Google directly at around Nexus pricing.
 
Nexus 5 should really be compared to the upcoming Galaxy S5, those two will be the flagship phones of 2014 from each company most of this year.

- Google's Nexus 5 will be out for 10 months of 2014, not replaced until November with the Nexus 6. So the Nexus 5 is the top Google phone for majority of 2014.

- Samsung will have their flagship Galaxy S5 out in March / April, taking up 9 - 10 months of 2014. The S4 will only be the top Samsung phone for 3 months of 2014. So for 2014, the S5 will be main phone from Samsung.

So the comparison should really be Nexus 5 @ $350 vs. Galaxy S5 @ $650.
 
Unless the price of the GPe devices comes down to Nexus ranges the Nexus line will never die. Nexus is designed to be a developer phone that doesn't break the bank. GPe devices are definitely not that.
 
Vermillion said:
Unless the price of the GPe devices comes down to Nexus ranges the Nexus line will never die. Nexus is designed to be a developer phone that doesn't break the bank. GPe devices are definitely not that.
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Not an issue when you have Motorola in your back pocket (who is currently selling a near Vanilla high end device for $379, BTW)
 
zamardii said:
This. I would say that is THE issue with getting rid of the Nexus line. Look at the price difference between the Nexus 5 and the S4 Google Play Edition and then look at the specs. I just hope the others get more competitive with their pricing if they do kill of the Nexus Line.

Then again, Google owns Motorola now so maybe they'll just start releasing Google Play Editions of Motorola phones for cheap like they started to do with the Moto G. Or more than likely they will develop a exclusive Play Store Motorola phone that you can only get through Google directly at around Nexus pricing.
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The big difference...the Nexus brand has a great history. GPE is anyone's guess how they'll be supported.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
Not an issue when you have Motorola in your back pocket (who is currently selling a near Vanilla high end device for $379, BTW)
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"near vanilla" is the key here though. Moto X is a great phone but you can't just compile AOSP for it. That's what Nexus is. Sync and compile (proprietary binaries aside). Moto X isn't that. GPe isn't that. Only Nexus is that.
 
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"near vanilla" is the key here though. Moto X is a great phone but you can't just compile AOSP for it. That's what Nexus is. Sync and compile (proprietary binaries aside). Moto X isn't that. GPe isn't that. Only Nexus is that.
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You're talking about capabilities that MAYBE 1% of the smartphone buying population cares about. And of that 1%, 40% can unlock the bootloader of a GPE phone and use it to compile and load AOSP themselves.
 
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If they do, I can see why.

Every launch is botched in some way or they are not expected to sell as many and always end up out of stock on day 1-2 of launch.

And then having quality issues.

Google always gets a lot right, but there is so much more they get wrong. Most likely because they have people who think in software minds doing hardware things and vis versa.....
 
JPF_ said:
If they do, I can see why.

Every launch is botched in some way or they are not expected to sell as many and always end up out of stock on day 1-2 of launch.

And then having quality issues.

Google always gets a lot right, but there is so much more they get wrong. Most likely because they have people who think in software minds doing hardware things and vis versa.....
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As if Google is the only company to intentionally keep/get too little stock on hand for a launch, simply in order to make news about running out of product insanely fast.
 
Skripka said:
As if Google is the only company to intentionally keep/get too little stock on hand for a launch, simply in order to make news about running out of product insanely fast.
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I am sorry, I believe the topic was google and how the rumor is they may stop with the nexus brand, not any other company and failed launches.


Thanks for reading though, bai!
 
It's about damn time. They should just make some kind of framework where manufacturers can make a skin/theme and if make it optional as a theme setting when you first setup your phone/tablet. Then the manufactures could sell there themes if they wanted at a premium to other device users that may have purchased a device from a different manufacturer.
 
This rumored sprang up last year after Google announced GPE phones, that the Nexus 5 wouldn't be released. Don't think the rumors mentioned Tablets though (that one doesn't make sense)

Also, developers do need Nexus devices but if you can get a GPE phone you are looking pretty good still.
 
Skripka said:
As if Google is the only company to intentionally keep/get too little stock on hand for a launch, simply in order to make news about running out of product insanely fast.
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Nobody has ever done that. It's a classic example of internet armchair CEO stupidity. Building up hype for a product you don't have any inventory of is a great way to not make any damn money. And then go out of business.

No, the reason there's often little stock at launch is because these devices are on crazy short development cycles, and are only relevant for a short period of time. There's only a few months gap between a new flagship and the followup flagship - first to ship becomes critical in such an environment, which means you can't spend a few months building up inventory first.
 
Man that concept was brought up in this forum for the Nvidia g100 gpu. Constantly stating that Nvidia had it made but wouldn't sell it.

Yea, let's spend a truck load on r&d and another ton on materials to make the device, then NOT SELL IT!we will make so much money by not selling it!
 
ComputerBox34 said:
You're talking about capabilities that MAYBE 1% of the smartphone buying population cares about. And of that 1%, 40% can unlock the bootloader of a GPE phone and use it to compile and load AOSP themselves.
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You're still missing the point. That ability to simply compile and load the ROM without having to modify anything is why Nexus exists. Nexus devices exist to show off what the latest Android can do. GEL wouldn't exist without Nexus 5.

Yes, you can unlock *most* GPe devices but not all which is why we have those stupid developer editions. Not to mention GPe devices aren't pure AOSP. They still have parts of the OEM framework like TouchWiz and Sense so that specific hardware (IR blaster) can be used.

$650 for a developer edition which you have to modify the AOSP code to make it run while possibly LOSING functionality versus $350 for a Nexus device where you simply sync and compile. Yeah...that's why Nexus exists.

No Nexus isn't going anywhere.
 
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You're still missing the point. That ability to simply compile and load the ROM without having to modify anything is why Nexus exists. Nexus devices exist to show off what the latest Android can do. GEL wouldn't exist without Nexus 5.

Yes, you can unlock *most* GPe devices but not all which is why we have those stupid developer editions. Not to mention GPe devices aren't pure AOSP. They still have parts of the OEM framework like TouchWiz and Sense so that specific hardware (IR blaster) can be used.

$650 for a developer edition which you have to modify the AOSP code to make it run while possibly LOSING functionality versus $350 for a Nexus device where you simply sync and compile. Yeah...that's why Nexus exists.

No Nexus isn't going anywhere.
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The majority of Android developers are application developers - why do they need the ability to compile and load custom ROMs? An Android developer needs to worry about compatibility with the following "skins"
-Stock
-TouchWiz
-Sense
-Whatever LG uses

Testing with stock can easily be done with GPE devices or even Moto devices for that matter (the Moto G runs with barely any customization). All android developers have the burden of ensuring compatibility with so many different modifications of Android that they are buying every single major phone out on the market at full retail price - what's another $650 for a GPE phone?

The only group out there that I could see having a legitimate need for open bootloaders and the ability to load ROMs is OEM's...but I'm sure they all have special access to resources that Google provides only to them and not the general public.

Having unlockable bootloaders and AOSP Android has been a great gesture towards the hobbyists/enthusiasts out there but I think the main reason why Nexus existed in the first place was to bring high-end devices at reasonable prices to the less affluent parts of the world thus expanding reach and making Google more money off services. Now that they own Motorola, they can accomplish the same missions with a company they have 100% control over and eliminate having to rely on a 3rd party for hardware.

The Moto X is a perfect example of appealing to many different parts of the market through one single brand - they have customization for those who want to be different, developer editions for hobbyists, and low prices for the cost conscious (which is pretty much everybody). Why spend money maintaining an entire separate line/brand that only appears to a very small niche?
 
LG needs to stop building Nexus handsets.
The proximity sensor thing drove me nuts on my N4.
It's the reason why I didn't buy an N5, and I've been considering whatever the Moto X successor is.
 
It's been two days since this story came out.Neither Android Police or Android Authority have run it.Pretty sure you can call BS on this "leak".
 
somebrains said:
LG needs to stop building Nexus handsets.
The proximity sensor thing drove me nuts on my N4.
It's the reason why I didn't buy an N5, and I've been considering whatever the Moto X successor is.
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My N5 is really a great device, no hardware issues that I have experienced.
 
Conman said:
It's been two days since this story came out.Neither Android Police or Android Authority have run it.Pretty sure you can call BS on this "leak".
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The OP was zorachis and he linked a site called technobuffalo.... pretty much made this entire thread a fanfic to start with
 
Conman said:
It's been two days since this story came out.Neither Android Police or Android Authority have run it.Pretty sure you can call BS on this "leak".
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I don't click on these links anymore. It is quite obvious sometimes when something is regurgitated and then grandstanded to get clicks.
 
Conman said:
It's been two days since this story came out.Neither Android Police or Android Authority have run it.Pretty sure you can call BS on this "leak".
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What are you smoking ?

This story is all over everywhere. Dozens of sites ran it, and not tech sites only, sites like Chicago Tribune, L.A. Times, Huffington Post, Fox News, CNN, BBC News, and then big big name tech sites, like The Verge, Techno Buffalo, etc...
 
Zorachus said:
What are you smoking ?

This story is all over everywhere. Dozens of sites ran it, and not tech sites only, sites like Chicago Tribune, L.A. Times, Huffington Post, Fox News, CNN, BBC News, and then big big name tech sites, like The Verge, Techno Buffalo, etc...
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My post was from before the Motorola sale.Now everyone is running the story.
 
If Lenovo makes the next Nexus, I suppose it might be likely for them to use Intel processors...
 
The last flagship they made used Intel. But the current one actually uses the s800.

In terms of interest and variety I'd hope the next Nexus does use an Intel (or to a lesser extent a Tegra).
 
Rumors last year, were that Asus is tapped for the next two Nexus phones. The Nexus 6 + 7, will be Asus made phones. And LG will switch to making the Nexus tablets.

But I am still most curious about the upcoming 'Cyanogen Android phone' They said it will be like their version of a Nexus phone, cheap off contract, but sporting near top of the line of hardware, and always running the latest version of Android. Size wise smaller, not a Phablet, but in the 4.7" - 5" screen.

Cyanogen said would be out this year.
 
Rumors last year, were that Asus is tapped for the next two Nexus phones. The Nexus 6 + 7, will be Asus made phones. And LG will switch to making the Nexus tablets.

Asus already manufactuers the Nexus 7 which is a tablet

But I am still most curious about the upcoming 'Cyanogen Android phone' They said it will be like their version of a Nexus phone, cheap off contract, but sporting near top of the line of hardware, and always running the latest version of Android. Size wise smaller, not a Phablet, but in the 4.7" - 5" screen.

Cyanogen said would be out this year.

I thought it was already on sale, i checked a few months ago. It has similar specs to the GS4 which is kind of old specwise now...
 
Domini said:
Recent rumors late last year, were that Asus is tapped for the next two Nexus phones. The Nexus 6 + 7, will be Asus made phones. And LG will switch to making the Nexus tablets.

Asus already manufactuers the Nexus 7 which is a tablet

But I am still most curious about the upcoming 'Cyanogen Android phone' They said it will be like their version of a Nexus phone, cheap off contract, but sporting near top of the line of hardware, and always running the latest version of Android. Size wise smaller, not a Phablet, but in the 4.7" - 5" screen.

Cyanogen said would be out this year.

I thought it was already on sale, i checked a few months ago. It has similar specs to the GS4 which is kind of old specwise now...
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LG would get the next generation Nexus 7 tablets ( June 2014 + June 2015 ) editions. And Asus the next two Nexus phones, Nexus 6 - Nov. 14' and Nexus-Seven Nov. 15'.

And no, the Cyanogen phone has not even been announced yet. You might be thinking of that Oppo 1 phone thing, that allows CM ROM to be installed by default from the factory. That's not the 'Cyanogen Phone' which is said to be their very own new line of smartphone. They made comments late last year it would be officially revealed early 2014, and on sale sometime this year.
 
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