Sony Downgraded To ‘Junk’ Status

Too much competition for Sony now. Look at TVs and all the cheap alternatives. I don't think of Sony when I think of computers or tablets. They should just drop both of them.
 
kent said:
I am glad you are not my financial advisor.
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He might be right though. Apple used to be the company you looked to when you wanted to see something new and different. Under the current CEO though I haven't seen anything really cool and new ala the first iPhone, the first iPad (some accused it of just being a bigger iPhone, but that size different made a huge difference), the first Macbook Air (at the time it was SOOO much thinner than almost all other notebooks). Just like how Sony used to be the cool company that did cool new things (might be hard to think back that far, but they were the ones making new advancements in TV, the VCR, music, walkman, CDs/tapes/etc.) right up until they didn't anymore.
 
ManofGod said:
Closer to 8 to 10 years I would say. I just sold my Vizio around the same time and that is almost 5 years old itself. As long as you take care of your stuff, it will usually take care of you.
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Yep. I have a 32inch vizio that is 7 years old and still going strong. It is powered on 24/7 almost all the time. I keep that tv on all the time even while away at work (my pet likes it on) So if you take care of one Ide and turn it off when not watching Ide think they would last a lot longer then 8-10 years.
 
Ualdayan said:
He might be right though. Apple used to be the company you looked to when you wanted to see something new and different. Under the current CEO though I haven't seen anything really cool and new ala the first iPhone, the first iPad (some accused it of just being a bigger iPhone, but that size different made a huge difference), the first Macbook Air (at the time it was SOOO much thinner than almost all other notebooks). Just like how Sony used to be the cool company that did cool new things (might be hard to think back that far, but they were the ones making new advancements in TV, the VCR, music, walkman, CDs/tapes/etc.) right up until they didn't anymore.
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Precisely what I meant, thank you. It's why Apple has engaged in so much patent troll activity.
 
Exavior said:
That merger would make little sense. It isn't that Nintendo doesn't know how to make a console. They are just trying to be different.

They wouldn't get much out of the merger. They already have the 3rd party games so they don't gain anything there. All they would gain is the few first party games that are PS only.

And as far as anything else that Sony has Nintendo wouldn't need.
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They wold full fill the SNES-CD's destiny!
 
JargonGR said:
The only product of Sony I really want is their 4K Home Cinema projectors. They are good! Really good but sooo expensive even for HC addicts like me. Then again JVCs are excellent as well and strongly compete with SONY.

TVs? Sony? Seriously? I would not even consider an LCD as an option again anyway.

They need to focus on their core competencies like Movie Studios, Music, Home Cinema...of well they are in deep shit actually now that I am thinking of it.
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Nobody here would turn down a free 4K projector, so you aren't alone. :D (if for no other reason than they could resell it for $20k+)
 
I hope they bounce back. They are one of my go-to electronic companies. If their prices aren't THAT much above the next competitor I try to buy from them. I have never had an issue with anything Sony.
 
Even if Sony went bust....someone would buy some of their product lines, esp. the PS3 section.

I like Sony....They generally make good stuff. I have a Sony sound bar on one of my TV's. Problem is, everybody makes pretty decent TV's nowadays. Sony's cost more, with very little discernible difference in quality of product. Very few people are going to pay $100 or $200 dollars for a Sony TV over a Samsung TV if the specs are pretty much the same.

If Sony has a "must have" item in the works....they better get it to market. If they don't, they will sell off divisions and become a smaller company. That might not be a bad idea.
 
Long overdue. They've had some great products, but their crap PR/customer relations and general mismanagement has finally caught up with them.
 
still using a PS3, but less and less for games, and more for Blu-Ray playback. that's about the extent I find interest in Sony atm. :confused:
 
MiniDisc
MemoryStick
Super Audio CD

After Betamax lost out to VHS, Sony scored a big hit with the Redbook (audio) CD. They've spent the last 20 years trying to get another format to go mainstream so they can collect years worth of royalties. If they can't win the format, they'll kill the entire market. They cost us all a high resolution audio format back around 2000 when they refused to sign on to DVD-Audio and pushed out SACD. Instead of consumers getting a decade of vinyl-quality digital music, the market went to lowest-common-denominator compressed music. Sony even tried to muck that up with ATRAC. HD-DVD was ready and on the market before BluRay, but consumers held off in fear of the format war. Playstation 3 was delayed for a year waiting for BluRay and cost Sony a shit-ton of money in being late to market and selling consoles at a loss.

CD rootkit
killing other-OS

Since expanding into record labels and movie studios, Sony has been very pro-DRM and anti-consumer.

Sony's most viable path to profitablity would be to separate the electronics business from the content business. However, they are far too arrogant to do that.

Let Sony die. It would be great for consumers.
 
Hopefully that will signal sony and other companies to realize that they can no longer sit on their asses. There are many companies out there that will steal your share unless you act quick and sell something people actually want. Markets are also saturated anyplace you look, so a unique product is key.
 
It's unfortunate. They finally get a CEO that doesn't have his head crammed up his ass yet it may be too late to stop the bleeding from the hacked off limbs.
 
eth3ton said:
A Nintendo merger would be awesome! I would love to see some triple A Nintendo titles on a real console.
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Sony's video game part isn't what is cost them tons, it make more sense to break off their video game section of their entertainment business and have that be bought out by nintendo. Or better yet remove it's consumer electrics divisions which is costing them billions.
 
Wondering when teletran and Next-jin are going to show up and denounce this as heresy and propaganda by Nintendo?
 
that sucks. I do like sony's products. usually they are out of my price range, but last year i picked up a sweet 50" "KDL50r450a" for $600, no smart functions or 3D but i just wanted a great panel. when bought mine, they had to order it, because they were selling so quick. Now you cannot buy them anymore.
Seems like this TV sold extremely well, and they discontinued it? Not sure why they would, unless the profit margin was too low. I would buy another one if they still made them.
 
Ualdayan said:
He might be right though. Apple used to be the company you looked to when you wanted to see something new and different. Under the current CEO though I haven't seen anything really cool and new ala the first iPhone, the first iPad (some accused it of just being a bigger iPhone, but that size different made a huge difference), the first Macbook Air (at the time it was SOOO much thinner than almost all other notebooks). Just like how Sony used to be the cool company that did cool new things (might be hard to think back that far, but they were the ones making new advancements in TV, the VCR, music, walkman, CDs/tapes/etc.) right up until they didn't anymore.
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I like how apple hasn't made anything new or exciting in the last couple years yet you slam the current ceo who hasn't been there long enough to institute any meaningful organzational change for not releasing anything new or exciting.
 
cptnjarhead said:
that sucks. I do like sony's products. usually they are out of my price range, but last year i picked up a sweet 50" "KDL50r450a" for $600, no smart functions or 3D but i just wanted a great panel. when bought mine, they had to order it, because they were selling so quick. Now you cannot buy them anymore.
Seems like this TV sold extremely well, and they discontinued it? Not sure why they would, unless the profit margin was too low. I would buy another one if they still made them.
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That is the same TV I have and I have been pleased with it as well.
 
I'm not surprised. The last few Sony items I purchased I've been less than impressed with. After that I started avoiding their stuff. Their car audio amplifiers were horrible the last time I tried one.
 
I have a nice sony tv but I haven't gotten anything from them that has anything to do with computers ever since my computer was wrecked by their cd-burning blocking rootkit. I had been wondering why my cd burner wasn't working right for months, then when that scandal hit I used the rootkit sniffer distributed by the people who discovered it, and sure enough it had infected my computer. I couldn't remove it and the malware prevented me from burning legit backups of my files, and I ended up losing a lot of stuff on my computer. I ended up throwing away the hard drive because after 2 tries wiping the MBR and re-installing everything, the rootkit kept popping up and I'd already wasted a week trying to recover from the malware.

So, yea I have a nice sony tv (bought on clearance in 2009 when the next-year models came out) but the company never apologized to me or compensated me (I got a $4 coupon good for a discount on another sony cd... like I'm stupid enough to buy another cd from the rats who installed a rootkit on my computer already) so the company can rot in hell, the sooner the better.

F*^K Sony. Die on fire screaming.
 
ManofGod said:
That is the same TV I have and I have been pleased with it as well.
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i think its a great TV. some people online bitched about refresh rate, calling motion flow a gimmick, but i found that the source coming in makes all the difference. All my HDMI sources look amazing, no ghosting, roku, PC, Xbox or blu-ray, but my digital cable though is a different story. some channels are 720, some are 1080. i can watch a football game on one channel and the picture will blur or ghost during fast movement, but i can turn to a different game 1080 or 720 and it is smooth as glass.
 
I doubt the PlayStation franchise is in much turmoil because of the company has been hemorrhaging money for a while now. If anything dev's will still develop for it as long as their entertainment division is ticking.

I will say though Sony makes some amazing headphones and they used to make extremely pleasing DLP TV's. I had a 46" last over 8 years, my step dad insisted on getting it repaired when the image lost sync, spent over $800 on it trying to get it to work again because he was so attached (I would of just purchased a Mitsu with that much money...)
 
Semantics said:
sony doesn't own bluray it's a consortium, if anything panasonic would be raking in bluray royalties if anything.
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Sony actually make the most profits off insurance in japan and asia. It's their home entertainment hardware that bleeds them dry, be it phones or tv's etc.
 
Climber said:
I like how apple hasn't made anything new or exciting in the last couple years yet you slam the current ceo who hasn't been there long enough to institute any meaningful organzational change for not releasing anything new or exciting.
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He's been CEO for three years now, was COO for 4 years prior to that, and SVP since 1998. How's that not long enough to institute any meaningful changes?
 
Ruoh said:
And to think they used to be at the top. I wonder what it would take to get them back in the running. Really, there are no TV makers these days that have a "Must Have" product like Sony used to.
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They could sell themselves to a Chinese company, best bet.
 
I sent a link of the CNN Money article to my Sony fanboy friends. :D One responded if I'll short their stock, which I'm seriously considering.
 
Climber said:
Wondering when teletran and Next-jin are going to show up and denounce this as heresy and propaganda by Nintendo?
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SCE is fine and only got hit by the lackluster PS3 launch with insane R&D costs and absurd launch price.

Sony (and others) diversify their products to help other sectors of their business. It worked every time for them so far and they use SCE to do that since it's really the only thing they have ever done right in the last 20 years or so.

Sony as a whole took a shit ton of losses from bombs in the theaters, computers, TVs etc. thankfully they seem to be changing their toon and focusing on 3? Sectors? I think it's what gaming, cameras and something else. Economics kill their position with electronics.

The main point here is that the Playstation brand and support will probably never be an issue.
 
^ and not that it matters but if Sony went bankrupt and crashed hard the PS4 would still sell more consoles, have more support, and more games than the Wii U.

Hopefully that covered your need to have me comment on Nintendo in a Sony financials thread.
 
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