Silverstone Modular 450W SFX (ST45SF-G) - Now has a product page - NextQ = When?

AFD said:
If I'm still sitting here in May waiting on this stupid thing, they'll never see a dime from me.. ever.
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That sounds like an empty threat towards Silverstone for no reason other than impatience. Be glad they are even making good SFX PSU's, I'm not seeing any other brand do any better.
 
product takes longer than expected to bring to market - potential customer blows his top at the inconvenience.

awesome story, would make a great film.
 
Phuncz said:
That sounds like an empty threat towards Silverstone for no reason other than impatience. Be glad they are even making good SFX PSU's, I'm not seeing any other brand do any better.
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Lol, I can't threaten to use my own money or not?

It's not necessarily impatience. I could go buy a 450W right now, or I can continue to hold up my build for another 3 months (which I'm fine with), based on January/Q1 info from reps. Just wish I had a little detail so I could make a damn decision on those 2 choices.

If I decide to wait it out, and come May, Tony stops by and announces another delay, I have no problem cancelling plans for all of my Silverstone purchases and buying a used 450W out of spite :p

Delays happen, I get that. Just would appreciate a little transparency and the occasional update from them.

Hell, if Tony would've answered my question from a while back and said "hey, semi-fanless over 500W just isn't in the cards" (which it probably isn't, being from Enhance instead of FSP), I would go buy a new 450W today and be happy with that.
 
The problem with that last part is that Tony Ou is not our friend, but a paid employee (as far as I know) of Silverstone, which means he has a limit to what he can say. If it is under NDA, he might know but can't talk about it. You shouldn't hold it over him, he is already doing a 100% more (as a community rep) than most other manufacturers.

I hope for you, and probably plenty of other people, we'll know what will be launched soon, but we shouldn't expect it to be. If they are having manufacturing or development issues, this could delay the launch or announcement by months.
 
Phuncz said:
The problem with that last part is that Tony Ou is not our friend, but a paid employee (as far as I know) of Silverstone, which means he has a limit to what he can say. If it is under NDA, he might know but can't talk about it. You shouldn't hold it over him, he is already doing a 100% more (as a community rep) than most other manufacturers.
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Tony is the marketing manager for Silverstone, so if there's an NDA, it's him who decides that. I don't think there is an NDA, because Enhance website still shows the new products.
 
WiSK said:
Tony is the marketing manager for Silverstone, so if there's an NDA, it's him who decides that. I don't think there is an NDA, because Enhance website still shows the new products.
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nope. they are gone from enhances site ;)
 
My bad then, must have been the cache proxy at work. Now home and indeed only showing the 400W/450W versions.
 
Excellent! Just hoping that "later this year" doesn't mean the end of 2014. :)

Also hoping that the breakthrough that enabled a 600W rating isn't just a 6000 rpm fan. :D
 
that 400w prototype looks pretty sweet. looks to be the size of an optical disc drive

for anyone just wanting to skip to the psu section, it starts at about the 16:40 minute mark.
 
Found more definitive info from Silverstone EU posted at Sweclockers about the new SFX PSUs..

Thank you for your patience. We plan to produce SilverStone SFX PSU 550W in February. Available in Europe could be end of March 2014.
Parallel we work on SFX PSU 600W, however performace is not satisfying yet. Currently cannot tell much about this process.
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550W SFX (planed availability end of March).
600W SFX: still in Developing Process
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As SFX 600W still in development, we don't have any detail information to offer :-(
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http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/71-butiker-och-tillverkare/1267629-silverstone-pa-engelska/

Nice to see one of their reps active and discussing the upcoming products on a regular basis.
 
Nice find - thanks for posting AFD!

I sent a PM to Tony the other day, hoping he could clarify some things, but I guess he doesn't want to give any more away until it's all more certain.
 
I think there is maybe some misunderstandings by our SilverStone EU or Sweclockers. When we were making the roadmap last year, the engineering team at that time wasn't sure if we could go all the way to 600W so we intentionally put down "550W+" (with that plus at the end hinting at possible higher wattage). Now that we are sure 600W is possible, we would not consider releasing a 550W along side of it.

The reason we don't like to reveal what we are working on so soon is that it takes a while to go from final prototype to production and delays happen quite frequently during this phase (safety testing, production tuning/validation, etc...). We'd hate to get people's hopes up and have them wait for something that doesn't come out as estimated. I can say our goal is to get it out in Q2, but it could very well be after June if there are any hiccups.
 
Tony Ou said:
I think there is maybe some misunderstandings by our SilverStone EU or Sweclockers. When we were making the roadmap last year, the engineering team at that time wasn't sure if we could go all the way to 600W so we intentionally put down "550W+" (with that plus at the end hinting at possible higher wattage). Now that we are sure 600W is possible, we would not consider releasing a 550W along side of it.

The reason we don't like to reveal what we are working on so soon is that it takes a while to go from final prototype to production and delays happen quite frequently during this phase (safety testing, production tuning/validation, etc...). We'd hate to get people's hopes up and have them wait for something that doesn't come out as estimated. I can say our goal is to get it out in Q2, but it could very well be after June if there are any hiccups.
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Bummer. Thanks for the info Tony. That was simple enough.. I'll probably just go buy a 450W if your information is correct that nothing new is coming out until April to July timeframe. Beats waiting until summer and still having nothing.

Really should get your EU guys on the same page though.. consumers have known for a long time that a new SFX was in development and most understand that delays happen. Just makes our shopping and build plans a lot easier when we're kept in the loop with occasional updates.


EDIT: Just ordered an ST45SF-G ..lol. Took me all of 10 minutes to make an informed decision :D
 
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Yes, Tony. Thanks for the info. Now maybe we can focus on the knowns and not the unknowns. So, Q2 or possibly later depending on how development goes. :)
 
Is there anyone who tried 450W version with high clocked GTX780? Like Palit or Zotac with 1GHz clock?
From the reviews they supposed to pull up to 340W, so was wondering if 450W is enough for the whole system like K version OCed CPU too?
 
450W isn't powerful enough for the top-end consumer stuff (like i7-4770K and GTX780), plus overclocks. You'd have to wait for the 600W (thx for the info, Tony !) or forget about doing (much) overclocking.
 
Tony Ou said:
The reason we don't like to reveal what we are working on so soon is that it takes a while to go from final prototype to production and delays happen quite frequently during this phase (safety testing, production tuning/validation, etc...).
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I know, you probably won't tell us, but is their any indication, that the colling for loads under lets say 300Watt wil be better than the gold version v2 (i.e. cooler / more silent)?
Or are you even considering a semi passive mode?

Otherwise I might just buy the gold 450w version ...
 
Phuncz said:
450W isn't powerful enough for the top-end consumer stuff (like i7-4770K and GTX780), plus overclocks. You'd have to wait for the 600W (thx for the info, Tony !) or forget about doing (much) overclocking.
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Does over clocking take that much more out of the components? or is it the increased draw from the cooling systems that take up the juice? I always assumed 450W was good enough for a desktop CPU and single card GPU; it was where dual GPU's were concerned that you started to need the higher wattage units...
 
450W is enough for a desktop CPU and a single card GPU; I'm running the ST45SF-G with a Core i5-4670K and R9 290X without problems. While overclocking one of those will probably be possible depending on the amount of draw to other components, but overclocking both considerably: highly unlikely.
 
phinix said:
Is there anyone who tried 450W version with high clocked GTX780? Like Palit or Zotac with 1GHz clock?
From the reviews they supposed to pull up to 340W, so was wondering if 450W is enough for the whole system like K version OCed CPU too?
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Mine is a reference GTX780 clocked over 1ghz, and a 4670k @ 4.2ghz
Don't have a way to measure how much it pulls, but everything is perfectly stable.
 
caycep said:
Does over clocking take that much more out of the components? or is it the increased draw from the cooling systems that take up the juice? I always assumed 450W was good enough for a desktop CPU and single card GPU; it was where dual GPU's were concerned that you started to need the higher wattage units...
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W = C * F * V²

W is wattage
C is a constant (for each processor type)
F is frequency (one v in an equation is enough, lol)
V is voltage

it's a little harder to calculate now due to continuously variable voltage and multiple voltages/freqs for various parts of the cpu package, but that will get you close :)

calculate C using stock data and then back-calculate the power (heat) output of your overclocked processor.
 
4770K and 290X here since a few months, both @ stock. PSU Calculator Pro tells me that at 90% system load (all components at 100% load is highly unlikely to happen), a 413W PSU would suffice (at minimum), but I haven't taken any real measurements. That's with two sticks of DDR3, an SSD and a few usb-powered devices (no HDD, no ODD).
 
backfeed said:
4770K and 290X here since a few months, both @ stock. PSU Calculator Pro tells me that at 90% system load (all components at 100% load is highly unlikely to happen), a 413W PSU would suffice (at minimum), but I haven't taken any real measurements. That's with two sticks of DDR3, an SSD and a few usb-powered devices (no HDD, no ODD).
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bbskd87 said:
Mine is a reference GTX780 clocked over 1ghz, and a 4670k @ 4.2ghz
Don't have a way to measure how much it pulls, but everything is perfectly stable.
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Sounds like 780 1GHz version and some high end CPU at stock shouldn't be a problem then.. Thanks!
 
Would this little psu handle a 6990 and a i7 3770? Thinking of doing some mining, so it would be at load all the time.
 
600W is more then I hoped for.
A great new fan with some top of the line engineering on the RPM/load curve will be the final judgement.
 
Zyklon808 said:
Would this little psu handle a 6990 and a i7 3770? Thinking of doing some mining, so it would be at load all the time.
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Radeon 6990 is a dual-GPU card, so no:
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Not sure if Silverstone US & EU are on the same page, but Silverstone EU just posted this on Tuesday..

Green light for SilverStone SFX 600 watt:), the availability in Europe is end of April.
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http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/71-butiker-och-tillverkare/1267629-silverstone-pa-engelska/index3.html#post14335836

"End of April" availability in Europe seems awfully specific compared to 'hopefully Q2, but maybe after June'.

Anyway, I'm starting to wonder if I should just return my new ST45SF-G and wait it out.. I'm gonna feel like a dipshit buying both :confused:
 
AFD said:
Anyway, I'm starting to wonder if I should just return my new ST45SF-G and wait it out.. I'm gonna feel like a dipshit buying both :confused:
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Having more parts than working rigs doesn't need to make you feel bad. Especially PSUs can last for a long time and don't suffer the same outdatedness that you have with GPUs and hard drives. If you could use the 450W PSU in a future HTPC or something, then no problem. You just made the investment ahead of time.

On the other hand, time passes quickly. You waited months for the M1, waiting a bit longer for the PSU isn't going to matter much in hindsight.
 
That's actually the exact plan I am following. Once the 600W is released I'll be putting it into my M1 (I can't OC both a 4770K and 690 on just a 450W) and the 450W will be used in conjunction with my planned HTPC downsizing.
 
End of April could just be an attentive date. meaning they are trying for that but no gurantee they'll make it. It does fit in with the Q2 calendar though. Also that's for EU. Not NA. NA could see it sooner or later than that date. Personally, I'd wait for Tony to confirm.
 
end of April is kind of longer than the supposed Q1 release. I hope it is worth the wait for that extra 50watt boost.
 
illli said:
end of April is kind of longer than the supposed Q1 release. I hope it is worth the wait for that extra 50watt boost.
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Yeah, I would've been really happy to have gotten a 500 or 550W in semi-fanless (or with better fan) in Q1.

My new v2.0 ST45SF-G, while not exactly loud, has the worst sounding fan I've ever heard.. ever. At idle all I can hear is its stupid crunchy sounding fan (and that's audible above 4 other fans). I'd throw that POS in the trash if I had any other option besides tearing it apart and trying to fix it myself. Really find it hard to believe that Silverstone spends this exorbitant amount of time on R&D for a $100 PSU, just to toss the nastiest junk fan they could possibly find in there :rolleyes:
 
I still hope, that the 600 Watt version is semi-fanless (or has a very silent fan at small loads) :)
 
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