Tesla Recalls More Than 29K Wall Chargers

It just doesn't make any sense to me to spend very much on a car. It'd be like buying a sports model curling iron or a high performance cup of microwavable rice. I think I'd much rather save the difference in monies and get interest and investment value from it than own something that does exactly the same thing (get me from my home to where I work or to the mall and then back again) for a lot less dollars. I mean, you still have to stop at every single traffic light, wait behind every other car, and you can't go faster than the speed limit without putting innocent people around you in life threatening danger so why even want something that goes fast and costs more when you're not allowed to do it anyhow?

Sure, but you're not the target market. The Model S is a luxury car. If you're not in the market for 80-120k car (regardless of how it's powered), then clearly this car isn't for you (and neither is a Mercedes S series, a Porsche, BMW 7 series and so on).

Gotta compare apples to apples. As for the speed limit thing, that depends on where you are. In TX, they had a speed limit of 70 in the day 65 at night (who knows why it got lower at night). Now it's 80 (and apparently 85 in some places). The speed limit on most highways is well below the safe driving limit. Indeed, it's well below what most people drive (during non-rush hour periods).
 
Ah the good ole I don't want a new car and people are dumb for spending their money argument.

His point is valid, but it's irrelevant for people who are willing to spend 100k (or more) on a car. I know people who only buy used, simply because the price of the car drops so much the second you drive off the lot.
 
Our Model S has been great.

The "recall" is simply to replace the adapter from the charging cable to the outlet and is to add further protection against faulty home wiring. The car and chargers are not faulty.

If you're on the fence about getting one of these cars, don't be. We've driven 31,000 problem-free kilometers since last March.
 
Our Model S has been great.

The "recall" is simply to replace the adapter from the charging cable to the outlet and is to add further protection against faulty home wiring. The car and chargers are not faulty.

If you're on the fence about getting one of these cars, don't be. We've driven 31,000 problem-free kilometers since last March.

I'm a little jealous :p

I had a reservation fee paid on one before launch, but I was forced to cancel it when I got divorced due to a changing financial situation.

Some day I'll get one!
 
Zarathustra[H];1040549965 said:
I'm a little jealous :p

I had a reservation fee paid on one before launch, but I was forced to cancel it when I got divorced due to a changing financial situation.

Some day I'll get one!

Bummer but don't give up. Maybe the Gen 3 (Model 'E') will suit your situation better anyways. I know I'll be checking it out as a cheaper commuter car in 2016/2017.
 
29,000 Model S chargers recalled? Has Tesla even sold that many Model S cars?

They beat their sales estimates by 20% for Q4 of 2013.

Stock went from $22 when we put our reservation down to (at one point) ~$190. Upon news of the Q4 2013 stats the stock went from ~$140 to ~$165+. Should've bought some stock when they were at $22... I'd be done paying for the car. :)
 
They beat their sales estimates by 20% for Q4 of 2013.

Stock went from $22 when we put our reservation down to (at one point) ~$190. Upon news of the Q4 2013 stats the stock went from ~$140 to ~$165+. Should've bought some stock when they were at $22... I'd be done paying for the car. :)

I had a feeling that was going to happen, and I wish I had been able to settle the lawsuit from the accident I was in much earlier, because I would have bought a ton of their stock..

As for the Model S, it is one bad ass car..Watching it keep pace with a fully race prepped Corvette on a track was amazing, and that was with the weight of an extra passenger in the car to boot!
 
As for the Model S, it is one bad ass car..Watching it keep pace with a fully race prepped Corvette on a track was amazing, and that was with the weight of an extra passenger in the car to boot!

That isn't really indicative of anything other than vastly varying driver skill (or the Corvette driver was just out for the track equivalent of a "Sunday drive" and wasn't pushing it). An S couldn't keep up with a stock base Corvette, let alone a race prepped one.
 
That isn't really indicative of anything other than vastly varying driver skill (or the Corvette driver was just out for the track equivalent of a "Sunday drive" and wasn't pushing it). An S couldn't keep up with a stock base Corvette, let alone a race prepped one.

I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do I need to post the video of it outrunning the 550hp V12 Aston Martin Rapide S again?

Published 0-60 times are 4.2s Most people manage only 4.6 or so, but there are reports of some pulling off perfect launches and getting it down to 3.9. And since you never have to downshift (it's one gear only) that brutal acceleration is available at any speed.

With its battery along its base, it has an incredibly low center of balance (on par with a recent Corvette) and amazing body stiffness making it out handle most things out there.

The only performance category where it doesn't keep up fully, is that it is governed at 130mph.
 
Mine has that shit ass cheap plastic cord that my dog is attracted too and tries to chew through.
 
Mine has that shit ass cheap plastic cord that my dog is attracted too and tries to chew through.

The Universal Mobile Connector?!

Good grief, don't let the dog chew through that. It carries up to 40A@240V. Probably better to give the dog a set of xmas lights or similar if you can't avoid it chewing on electrical cords. :D
 
The Universal Mobile Connector?!

Good grief, don't let the dog chew through that. It carries up to 40A@240V. Probably better to give the dog a set of xmas lights or similar if you can't avoid it chewing on electrical cords. :D

If I had a Model S, I wouldn't let a dog, any dog, anywhere near it. No foul beasts would ever touch my beauty :p
 
That isn't really indicative of anything other than vastly varying driver skill (or the Corvette driver was just out for the track equivalent of a "Sunday drive" and wasn't pushing it). An S couldn't keep up with a stock base Corvette, let alone a race prepped one.

Also, take a look at this video of a stock Model S racing a Viper SRT10 (exhaust system and air filters)

The results are exactly what one would predict.

The Model S takes the lead off the line (due to all of it's torque being available immediately at 0 RPM) then once the V10 Viper get's going it slowly catches up while in low gears, until it has to shift up, and the Model S starts to pull away again as it only has one gear and never needs to shift, so it always gets 1st gear type acceleration.
 
A race prepped vette makes more power and weighs far less than an S. The idea that a luxury sedan can keep up on a race track is a fantasy.
 
A race prepped vette makes more power and weighs far less than an S. The idea that a luxury sedan can keep up on a race track is a fantasy.

I think it depends on how "race prepped" we are talking. I mean, if we are talking fully lightened, and barebones, track dedicated, then yes, of course there will be no comparison.

Hwoever, with a Corvette closer to stock, it may not be so far fetched.

On a long race track with straight allowing for speeds above 130mph, a conventional sports car will have the advantage. On a tighter track, with more turns and acceleration I can see the Model S doing quite well.

It has a way stiffer chassis than a Corvette, similarly low center of gravity, and well tuned suspension. The Model S DOES weigh a lot more, but it also has some inherent advantages in putting down it's torque to the road, as its doesn't have a transmission, just a final gear, so there is never any shifting up and loss of torque.

That being said, I haven't seen any autocrossing results with a Model S yet, all of the race comparisons I have come across are 1/4mile drag races, where it seems to do VERY well. It won't keep up with a highly customized drag car, but it seems to beat most stock vehicles, even the rather extreme ones.
 
It just doesn't make any sense to me to spend very much on a car. It'd be like buying a sports model curling iron or a high performance cup of microwavable rice. I think I'd much rather save the difference in monies and get interest and investment value from it than own something that does exactly the same thing (get me from my home to where I work or to the mall and then back again) for a lot less dollars. I mean, you still have to stop at every single traffic light, wait behind every other car, and you can't go faster than the speed limit without putting innocent people around you in life threatening danger so why even want something that goes fast and costs more when you're not allowed to do it anyhow?

You're on a forum where many members regularly spend dozens to hundreds of man hours and untold amounts of money modifying PC cases.

These cases in many cases do not offer any sort of increase in performance. It is still the same i7. Still the same GPU. Still the same RAM. (Even in the case of overclocking, do we really do it for performance? Hardly, we do it because it's fun and we can and quite frankly it is pretty damn expensive for the increases we do get.)

Likewise, you ever built a computer? If you're on this forum, I somehow doubt you haven't. I'd bet I do just as much work on my molasses-slow, company-issued work laptop as you do on your souped up machine.

The Model S at least completely destroys budget cars in the instances where you can go faster. Also, after driving cars just like the ones you describe for years and years, and it's pretty painful at times when there's a situation where I have to accelerate quickly to merge, which, depending on where you live, happens all the damn time. Top speed may not matter, but having power available when you need it for short bursts does. But it is a luxury car, just as all our modded cases and custom machines are luxury items.
 
This track day video was fun to watch. I know it doesn't mean much, as you have no idea who is driving what, how much experience they have, and how hard they are pushing, but it does show that a Model S isn't necessarily out of place on a track, even though it is more of a Grand Tourer than a track car.
 
You're on a forum where many members regularly spend dozens to hundreds of man hours and untold amounts of money modifying PC cases.

These cases in many cases do not offer any sort of increase in performance. It is still the same i7. Still the same GPU. Still the same RAM. (Even in the case of overclocking, do we really do it for performance? Hardly, we do it because it's fun and we can and quite frankly it is pretty damn expensive for the increases we do get.)

Likewise, you ever built a computer? If you're on this forum, I somehow doubt you haven't. I'd bet I do just as much work on my molasses-slow, company-issued work laptop as you do on your souped up machine.

The Model S at least completely destroys budget cars in the instances where you can go faster. Also, after driving cars just like the ones you describe for years and years, and it's pretty painful at times when there's a situation where I have to accelerate quickly to merge, which, depending on where you live, happens all the damn time. Top speed may not matter, but having power available when you need it for short bursts does. But it is a luxury car, just as all our modded cases and custom machines are luxury items.

Yes, my computer is totally awesome! Fear it's Win7 performance scorez!

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But really, most of the time when people I know are trying to merge fast, they're using it as an excuse to accelerate fast and would do just as well being a little bit more patient and not trying to get on a road by being in front of something else. It's usually an aggression and hormone thing, I think, that's behind it and not a question of safety as its usually safer to wait. Besides, most cars out there aren't "fast" and most people seem to do okay owning them so that's pretty much a provable non-necessity or even a good excuse to buy something like that.

Look, it's completely okay with me to want whatever image or sense of self buying something that goes fast gives a person. If that's what makes you feel okay about the world to want or actually buy that, go for it, but making up reasons to make something seem necessary to cover up emotional desires is sort of dishonest. And really, you don't have to justify it to me at all. I'm just some random bunch of words in a forum that's supposed to be about computers and not cars or politics. ;)
 
The video was neat, but notice the yellow Vette walked away from the Tesla any time there wasn't traffic, and that's a tight course. I'm suspicious of the claim that a Tesla is stiffer than a Vette.

Also, the Tesla overheated and slowed its acceleration. A normal Corvette doesn't overheat at a track day, never mind a race car.

Two very different cars, and I wouldn't compare them anyway if people weren't trying to make stupid claims like "this 4700 lb four seat luxury car is faster than a 2700 lb race car." Derp.
 
The video was neat, but notice the yellow Vette walked away from the Tesla any time there wasn't traffic, and that's a tight course. I'm suspicious of the claim that a Tesla is stiffer than a Vette.

Also, the Tesla overheated and slowed its acceleration. A normal Corvette doesn't overheat at a track day, never mind a race car.

Two very different cars, and I wouldn't compare them anyway if people weren't trying to make stupid claims like "this 4700 lb four seat luxury car is faster than a 2700 lb race car." Derp.

Well yeah, a Model S is not going to beat a race modified car with a driver who knows what they are doing around a course. Especially not a long course due to limitations in battery technology (like the batteries overheating)

It will however get a jump start on almost everything off the line, beat all but a very few production cars in the quarter mile, and do a lot better on a road course than most people would think when they hear "electric car".

I read that it has unparralelled body stiffness due to the stiff large flat rectangular battery serving as part of the platform, and due to not having a heavy engine, weight distribution is a near perfect 50-50. Now there is more than that to handling, but it's a very good start and even with a grand touring style suspension it doesn't embarrass itself on a track, as shown.

The Model S is undoubtedly the future. The all electric design has so many benefits including gearing, incredible torque, low cost "fuel" and low maintenance due to fewer moving parts. Of course it has some teething issues, but I am just amazed it is currently as good as it is, and with nothing but battery and charging improvements there would be no reason to ever buy a gas car.

The future is now.
 
Zarathustra[H];1040552376 said:
Well yeah, a Model S is not going to beat a race modified car with a driver who knows what they are doing around a course. Especially not a long course due to limitations in battery technology (like the batteries overheating)

It will however get a jump start on almost everything off the line, beat all but a very few production cars in the quarter mile, and do a lot better on a road course than most people would think when they hear "electric car".

I read that it has unparralelled body stiffness due to the stiff large flat rectangular battery serving as part of the platform, and due to not having a heavy engine, weight distribution is a near perfect 50-50. Now there is more than that to handling, but it's a very good start and even with a grand touring style suspension it doesn't embarrass itself on a track, as shown.

The Model S is undoubtedly the future. The all electric design has so many benefits including gearing, incredible torque, low cost "fuel" and low maintenance due to fewer moving parts. Of course it has some teething issues, but I am just amazed it is currently as good as it is, and with nothing but battery and charging improvements there would be no reason to ever buy a gas car.

The future is now.

Now imagine a fully weight reduced Model S, with aftermarket suspension and an aftermarket improved battery cooling solution.

It would be a crying shame to do this to a car as beautiful as the Model S, but it would probably surprise more than a few people around a track...
 
Zarathustra[H];1040552424 said:
Now imagine a fully weight reduced Model S

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The Model S is a cool car, yeah. And a hint of the future.



...it's just not a race prepped Corvette ;)
 
Don't worry - the taxpayers will pay for it. ;)

This doesn't count against the cost of electric sportscars, okay? They're way better than those evil petroleum-burning versions.
 
The Tesla is way cooler than a vette.

Maybe if you want to bang chicks wearing Birkenstocks. I don't buy performance vehicles because they are cool, but because they are fun. A Corvette is more fun than a Tesla.

There are a lot of places I drive I couldn't even get to with a Tesla.
 
Maybe if you want to bang chicks wearing Birkenstocks. I don't buy performance vehicles because they are cool, but because they are fun. A Corvette is more fun than a Tesla.

There are a lot of places I drive I couldn't even get to with a Tesla.

:rolleyes: not that I would be interested in a chick who would bang me just because I drive car X, but a girl attracted to a Tesla sounds more fun to me than a girl attracted to a corvette.
 
Maybe if you want to bang chicks wearing Birkenstocks. I don't buy performance vehicles because they are cool, but because they are fun. A Corvette is more fun than a Tesla.

There are a lot of places I drive I couldn't even get to with a Tesla.

This is the 2010's Electric cars aren't for smelly hippies anymore. They are the cool tech products of the future. :p
 
:rolleyes: not that I would be interested in a chick who would bang me just because I drive car X, but a girl attracted to a Tesla sounds more fun to me than a girl attracted to a corvette.

Agreed. Anyone who drives a car because of what others think - opposite sex or not - is fucking retarded.
 
Maybe if you want to bang chicks wearing Birkenstocks. I don't buy performance vehicles because they are cool, but because they are fun. A Corvette is more fun than a Tesla.
yeah it's not the 70s or 80s anymore... a corvette is not a chick magnet anymore ;)

There are a lot of places I drive I couldn't even get to with a Tesla.
A quick google search found in the US there are on average 2.28 cars per household, 31 percent of households have 2 vehicles (so you can ignore ol' Jeb who has 18 trucks that don't run in his driveway skewing the average). The argument that people would be stuck on an island due to the limitations of batteries are unwarranted, because on average you'd have another car that has gas to get off that island.

While yeah, there are a lot of single people (maybe here more than elsewhere ;)), and perhaps you only have 1 car. However there are so many families that have multiple cars that having one which is electric only wouldn't be anywhere near as crippling as many people make it out to be.
 
yeah it's not the 70s or 80s anymore... a corvette is not a chick magnet anymore ;)


A quick google search found in the US there are on average 2.28 cars per household, 31 percent of households have 2 vehicles (so you can ignore ol' Jeb who has 18 trucks that don't run in his driveway skewing the average). The argument that people would be stuck on an island due to the limitations of batteries are unwarranted, because on average you'd have another car that has gas to get off that island.

While yeah, there are a lot of single people (maybe here more than elsewhere ;)), and perhaps you only have 1 car. However there are so many families that have multiple cars that having one which is electric only wouldn't be anywhere near as crippling as many people make it out to be.

I was concerned about this at first as well, but then I thought through my driving history.

My commute is less than 20 miles, and other than that, I just drive locally to run errands, etc.

A couple of times a year a drive about 100 miles to go skiing.

I also frequently drive the 110 miles to my parents place.

Annually I also drive from Boston out to Long Island for the extended family christmas party. I usually wind up taking the cross-sound ferry, which makes it a combined 150 miles or so.

I only drive further than the Model S's stated range once or twice per year, and when I do, there is a Supercharging station en route. Having to spend a half an hour charging at a supercharging station once or twice a year doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

I also feel fairly confident in my ability to negotiate access to a 240V electrical outlet at any hotel I'd stay, so I can charge overnight.

I simply don't see range being a problem for me.

For people that take more frequent long road trips, it could be though. I simply don't.
 
Zarathustra[H];1040551343 said:
Also, take a look at this video of a stock Model S racing a Viper SRT10 (exhaust system and air filters)

The results are exactly what one would predict.

The Model S takes the lead off the line (due to all of it's torque being available immediately at 0 RPM) then once the V10 Viper get's going it slowly catches up while in low gears, until it has to shift up, and the Model S starts to pull away again as it only has one gear and never needs to shift, so it always gets 1st gear type acceleration.
I'm a big fan of Viper but after seeing that YT vid, I'm now officially impressed on what Tesla can do.
 
Zarathustra[H];1040554249 said:
For people that take more frequent long road trips, it could be though. I simply don't.

And that's the thing, different households will have different needs and for those households with only one car, like mine, a Tesla is not useful. We go snowboarding multiple times a year (if there's ever any damn snow!!!) and that trip from San Francisco to Tahoe is about 180 miles one way, we often do that trip in a day, and we also go to Yosemite almost on a yearly basis which is another 220 miles, she goes to her parents farm which is another 120 miles away, and we drive to Southern California every couple years for various things and... so as a 1 car family it doesn't make sense. However we've considered buying a truck simply to have something larger to move stuff around in, she would use it for work, etc. and when you're making these decisions is when the arguments of range tend to fall away, you already have a car that has "unlimited" range? then why does your car you use to commute need "unlimited" range?

I swear the hatred that seems to be out there for electric vehicles is downright scary sometimes. Makes the little hatred that environmentalists had about SUVs sometime ago seem downright tiny in comparison.
 
Electric cars are so dangerous, gas cars cannot catch on fire! :p

Sounds like Tesla is doing the responsible thing though, hopefully none of the chargers actually do catch on fire and that people realize this is just precautionary and that there's nothing wrong with Teslas or electric cars in general.

There's not much details but the gist I'm getting is that this risk is in the event of certain voltage fluctuations. So basically if the charger is being subjected to voltages it was not intended. They are definitely going above and beyond by making sure their device operates correctly (or perhaps shuts off) in those conditions.

If I had the money I'd probably look into buying a tesla, or other electric car. I love the idea of never having to gas up again, and the fact that I'd be cutting my carbon footprint.
 
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