Game Dev Sick Of The Hatred From Gamers

I came in here to check to see just how horrible some of the people on these forums are. I was not dissapointed (I mean with the rampant religious fanboys of AMD and Nvidia, it was not unexpected). You people are like a disease of this earth, searching for vulnerable people so that you can rape their minds and make them kill themselves. I guess the people who suffer from PTSD, depression and trauma should all man up to eh (based on the slippery slope theory)?

One would hope you are being sarcastic ... if not you might want to hop on the sarcasm transplant list :)

If someone comes on my facebook page or outside my door and starts harassing me then that is a problem ... if I choose to go in a public career where I am delivering a consumer product then I better get used to some cranky people and idiots on the internet (I am not condoning the idiots on the internet but they are what they are and if you choose a more public profession you WILL bump into them from time to time)

A person who suffers PTSD because of a traumatic situation they have encountered (physical, emotional, mental, etc) deserves support and proper treatment ... but if the exposure to the rabble of the internet is going to give you PTSD then then you definitely want to go into a different profession ;)
 
You have to be a fucking politician.
ANSER THE QUESTION!

When was the last time you told a complete stranger to shut the fuck up?

Never, that is when. Just admit that you are a normal level-headed human being!

A complete stranger that came up to me with a 20 minute diatribe about how toxic people can be on the internet? Never. :D

Have I acted like the death threat rage kids he is talking about? No, never.

Have I told a some jackass to shut the fuck up IRL? Yes. I rode public transportation for 5 years.
 
One would hope you are being sarcastic ... if not you might want to hop on the sarcasm transplant list :)

If someone comes on my facebook page or outside my door and starts harassing me then that is a problem ... if I choose to go in a public career where I am delivering a consumer product then I better get used to some cranky people and idiots on the internet (I am not condoning the idiots on the internet but they are what they are and if you choose a more public profession you WILL bump into them from time to time)

A person who suffers PTSD because of a traumatic situation they have encountered (physical, emotional, mental, etc) deserves support and proper treatment ... but if the exposure to the rabble of the internet is going to give you PTSD then then you definitely want to go into a different profession ;)

That is quite the high horse he rode in on. I'm surprised he even bothered to post in such a cesspool of filth evil forum. :)
 
I came in here to check to see just how horrible some of the people on these forums are. I was not dissapointed (I mean with the rampant religious fanboys of AMD and Nvidia, it was not unexpected). You people are like a disease of this earth, searching for vulnerable people so that you can rape their minds and make them kill themselves. I guess the people who suffer from PTSD, depression and trauma should all man up to eh (based on the slippery slope theory)?

No one is forcing these game developers to go on the Internet and seek out these hateful reviews.

Not saying I am for Internet bullying at all (in fact, like you I think it is disgusting) but if you put yourself in the limelight then you are going to get attention, both positive and negative. These developers need to learn to mentally filter out the trolling and crap and focus on constructive criticism.
 
Going on a tangent here

Am I the only person that's getting really tired of constantly hearing how these game devs work like 70-80 even 200 hours/week. They say it like it's a badge of honor.

I'm a software developer. We run agile and manage our iterations well. I work 9-5, with very rare overtime. Most other people i know do the same.

The fact that game companies can't manage timelines and requirements properly is really their problem.
 
You people are like a disease of this earth, searching for vulnerable people so that you can rape their minds and make them kill themselves.

So according to your holier-than-thou high-horse logic:

All game devs = vulnerable people
Any criticism/negative opinion towards said devs = raping their minds

I'm confused... whether you're an imbecile or just a troll.

I guess the people who suffer from PTSD, depression and trauma should all man up to eh (based on the slippery slope theory)?

Comparing traumatised people and victims to whiny, butthurt thin-skinned game devs?

That cleared my confusion. You're not a troll. You're just an imbecile.
 
So according to your holier-than-thou high-horse logic:

All game devs = vulnerable people
Any criticism/negative opinion towards said devs = raping their minds

I'm confused... whether you're an imbecile or just a troll.



Comparing traumatised people and victims to whiny, butthurt thin-skinned game devs?

That cleared my confusion. You're not a troll. You're just an imbecile.

Haha I was obviously going into the extreme on my rhetoric on purpose (some very slight hints like referencing the slippery slope fallacy (not theory) was in there to give it away) but I guess I missed the mark. Though, I was more attacking the people who harass people on twitter than posting privately on their facebook.
 
At some point the developer starts to remind one of the old joke, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this ... well, don't do that" :)

If you don't want to see see all the negative Nancy's on the internet then don't go there ... if you want to see only the good happy puffy cloud feedback then have your company hire an Admin (or get an Intern) and he/she can read all the acerbic feedback and filter it down to whatever pablum level your fragile emotions can handle

Seriously though ... if they are harassing you personally by email or something then block them or report them to the police ... if the general unrest of the internet gets you down then really you are in the wrong profession :D

The only time the internet has me curled in a fetal position and whimpering is when it's down ... then you just hear me frantically tapping the refresh button between my tears until it comes back up again :cool:
 
Bioware was fine, until EA got hold of them.

Bioware was my favorite game company of all time. They also nurtured a fantastic community. Great games, Great support, great community with active developer participation.

That all changed when they were swallowed by EA.

Bioware is dead to me now.

Developers are almost Never the problem. It is clueless corporate bean counters that ruin everything.
 
Taking a guess he is a TESO (The Elder Scrolls Online) dev.

When you target the "mass market" and go out of your way to make your game accessible (by changing actual game mechanics to accommodate) to said market, this is the kind of customers you will get in droves.

You (as a studio) compromised to get that target audience, live with it.
 
Some would way gamers by definition are immature opinionated geeks with zero social experience and used to talking trash and being a critic. They would rather spend hours on message boards/forums with their fellow gamers rather than interact with someone IRL. And yeah, this is also what people do on FB etc, but that's a lot more grounded, and its real people, not some forum name/avatar.

Yes the above is a wild generalization but has a bit of truth to it.
 
Funny how in the column he mentions no game titles......:rolleyes:

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This is the internet, if there's one thing every idiot should know by now is that on the internet people who hate something never, ever shut up about hating it.
 
They would rather spend hours on message boards/forums with their fellow gamers rather than interact with someone IRL. And yeah, this is also what people do on FB etc, but that's a lot more grounded, and its real people, not some forum name/avatar.

Oh crap, you mean to say forum members aren't real people. We're all robots. Oh lordy, the Humanity!


:rolleyes:


Facebook is a cancer. It baffles me how you can say it's better than forums. And FYI, there are MILLIONS of "casuals" who spend an ungodly amount of hours on message boards. Because, you know, not all message boards are about computers or games.

You disappoint me.
 
It might be time for this guy to find a different line of work because gamers "hating" on everything is just what they do. :D

Might as well just quit then. Seriously, I think most people don't like some aspect of their employment. If immature people making online posts like "go kill yourself" throws off the flow of your day, then you need to learn to grow up and disregard the ramblings of 12 year olds and those that behave like 12 year olds.
 
Well, don't false advertise and sell faulty goods then.
Software can have bugs, but I'm getting sick of the 'release crap, patch later' methods. Some even don't gets patched.
 
I think the author has a great point and he is right.

He gives an example: "I hope the idiot people who made this just kill themselves after they kill their family"

With game developers so connected to forums, social media, and their email easily available it is so easy for them to hear these comments.

I work on products that millions of people use and I never hear these kind of comments, I can only imagine how it would make me feel to hear such things about something I had worked hard on.

How would you feel getting such negative speech and death threats sent to your email about something you had poured years of your life into? This kind of speech isn't acceptable, and it is sad that so far the comments here have dismissed his opinion.

If you believe "working hard on something" should insulate you from harsh comments and complaints because people payed hard earned money for your product and it's broken or just flat garbage, then you shouldn't be creating things.

The bottom line is because most games cost $60 at release, and that many franchise are releasing the next game every year, people are spending lots of money on games. So they expect a polished and entertaining product in return and with so many games being released in half baked broken states, can you really blame people for being pissed off.

I don't condone, nor am I excusing death threats, but people get pissed off when they feel that their money has been stolen, and they have no recourse other than complaining and telling people not to purchase the game.

Long ago devs and publishers crossed a line into this get rich quick scheme, of when a franchise become popular they have to make a new version every year because people will buy it and who cares if it's released in a broken glitch'y state or if the story is crap.

Saying we should be more sensitive of his opinions is not going to go over well, as pretty much anyone who has bought a AAA tittle in the last 2 years has been burned with buying crap.
 
I don't know much about phil fish, cept for that he made fez and caused an uproar. And reading up a little on it, he sounds like he was a dick to begin with. I'm interested in how he described what he hated about the japanese games industry and exactly why he go so much flak on it. But considering I never played his games, and didn't even hear abuot it til the uproar... I doubt I'd be able to read that far in.

But hey, one things nice, he said fuck you game industry, and it seems like he's out of it.
 
If you believe "working hard on something" should insulate you from harsh comments and complaints because people payed hard earned money for your product and it's broken or just flat garbage, then you shouldn't be creating things.

The bottom line is because most games cost $60 at release, and that many franchise are releasing the next game every year, people are spending lots of money on games. So they expect a polished and entertaining product in return and with so many games being released in half baked broken states, can you really blame people for being pissed off.

I don't condone, nor am I excusing death threats, but people get pissed off when they feel that their money has been stolen, and they have no recourse other than complaining and telling people not to purchase the game.

Long ago devs and publishers crossed a line into this get rich quick scheme, of when a franchise become popular they have to make a new version every year because people will buy it and who cares if it's released in a broken glitch'y state or if the story is crap.

Saying we should be more sensitive of his opinions is not going to go over well, as pretty much anyone who has bought a AAA tittle in the last 2 years has been burned with buying crap.

Internet/computer types can be uniquely vitriolic though ... are the heated battles between Team Intel and Team AMD or Team Green vs Team Red due to the competitor releasing "broken" or "substandard" products or are they due to people who have an emotional attachment to one vendor and feel the need to denigrate the other to help validate the choices they make ;)

That said, modern gamers are also much higher maintenance than gamers were in previous decades (and far more vocal about it) ... some of the AAA PC titles in the 90's released with game breaking bugs (sometimes catastrophic ones that damaged computer drives or required a reset of characters once they were patched) ... it was unfortunate but it happens ... I tend to judge a company by how they respond to valid and well reasoned criticism and not the internet diatribes that rabid users are prone to make ... also, how they respond to the mistakes with future projects (a company that releases buggy broken product after buggy broken product deserves some disdain ... but the ones that improve and release better and better products deserve some credit) :cool:
 
I dunno...when I work on a project at work, I get criticized by my team and by whatever customer we're making something for if it's not working to their expectations (expectations set-out at the beginning of a project). Don't see this as anything different.

Don't like the hate that comes with being a game developer? Go work on some boring back-end module for a system somewhere that your average customer doesn't even know exists. Guarantee they won't be cursing you with hatred anymore.
 
Did this guy finish working on Aliens Colonial Marines, Duke Nukem Forever, WarZ (or whatever its called now), or SimCity and not expect to be hated?
 
Pedophiles love children just as much as game devs love their jobs....
Doesn't mean a damn thing if you're f#cking up you're f#cking up!

Try this, weigh the good against the bad and take away the knowledge from both sides.
If you can learn and improve, learn and improve, if you released a buggy game because the publisher pushed it out the door before it was ready its either their fault for rushing or your fault for not doing a good enough job.

No matter what job you do, someone is going to know how to do it better and everyone is going to tell you how whether they know or not. Its a fact of life, just like how you want to strangle half your family at Christmas time and you spend every second throughout the rest of the year thankful you only see them once a year.

I'm rambling... Too much coffee!!!!!!
Tim Horton you rock! And not that cheap crap you sell in the U.S. the stuff I smuggle down from Canada!
 
Pedophiles love children just as much as game devs love their jobs....
Doesn't mean a damn thing if you're f#cking up you're f#cking up!

Try this, weigh the good against the bad and take away the knowledge from both sides.
If you can learn and improve, learn and improve, if you released a buggy game because the publisher pushed it out the door before it was ready its either their fault for rushing or your fault for not doing a good enough job.

No matter what job you do, someone is going to know how to do it better and everyone is going to tell you how whether they know or not. Its a fact of life, just like how you want to strangle half your family at Christmas time and you spend every second throughout the rest of the year thankful you only see them once a year.

I'm rambling... Too much coffee!!!!!!
Tim Horton you rock! And not that cheap crap you sell in the U.S. the stuff I smuggle down from Canada!

I must be one of the few people who does not really like Timmy's all that much. It is ok but the taste when you all you can really can get in it flavorless creamer is not really that good.
 
I must be one of the few people who does not really like Timmy's all that much. It is ok but the taste when you all you can really can get in it flavorless creamer is not really that good.

Really?
Timmy's is the only coffee I enjoy black with nothing in it.
Folgers, Maxwell House and Starbucks all leave a burnt aftertaste in my mouth, don't much care for any of them.
But to each his own.
I know plenty of people that can't stand coffee period and just drink apricot or green tea.
 
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