Eizo Foris FG2421: 120hz VA Panel

Most strobing backlight monitors are are around ~10ms input lag. The Eizo with Turbo240 off is ~11ms, and ~18ms with it on. While I do agree and wish the input lag was a bit lower, I don't think ~7ms difference would make a huge difference.

If you are playing a game like Quake or CS at a decently high skill level like I used to that has absolute snap movements, a CRT like the FW900 is still the way to go. Awesome motion clarity and zero input lag. I don't really play those type of games anymore with my advanced age of 34, so the Eizo's don't bother me. ;)

Yah, I'm 33... I end up spending a lot less time using my toys than I do trying to get them to work right, but if I ever felt totally satisfied with my setup I might settle down and play a lot more again. I'm not hurting for free time to do it. I guess in order to really add my opinion on the lag issue for my gaming genre of choice I'd have to get out and do some laps and races at iracing.com. I've been paying yearly subs there for a while just to have access to their forums. At any rate, I don't really think input lag of this kind would have much effect on say MMORPG's... but tell that to your dead tank, eh?

One thing I gotta say though, everything I throw at it that isn't a bad still photo looks amazing color and motion wise. The only 2 times I ever notice anything other than what to me looks like perfection is on background pictures and while on the gray background of this forum. That color is pretty rough on my FG2421 and it scrolls a little wonky like my eyes want to see diagonal lines as I'm scrolling but they are transparent so you can't ever really pick them out. Honestly scrolling on the fast TNs is similarly "not perfect" because they don't have color uniformity in general, so I could always spot a dark spot or a big blotch in the [H] front page dark gray.
 
boooooring:eek:

Don't buy eizo. that's all.

Sorry. Not to sound rude. But this is the only panel that I've seen any widespread complaints about from Eizo. No one's perfect. Return yours and get another one. Hopefully they'll fix the issue. If your return isn't to your liking, get a refund and then wait and try again if you must. Or get another panel.
 
Sorry. Not to sound rude. But this is the only panel that I've seen any widespread complaints about from Eizo. No one's perfect. Return yours and get another one. Hopefully they'll fix the issue. If your return isn't to your liking, get a refund and then wait and try again if you must. Or get another panel.

cmon, wtf you talking about? I have returned it a week ago. No way I'm getting another fg2421.
 
My monitor has suddenly started to act a little bit strangely in strobe mode - I can now see a faint flicker. I'm fairly sure this wasn't the case when I first got the display a month or so ago, but it's definitely there now. Is anyone else having this issue? Switching back to User 1 or User 2 modes (with no strobe) eliminates the flicker entirely
 
...and mine just restarted itself for 3rd time in couple days. Pretty disappointed but makes those upcoming displays I'm hearing about more interesting to look forward to.

I really like what this monitor has to offer in theory, however, so I have another on the way and I'm continuing to play with this one to see if I can learn more about the issue before it arrives. I am trying to get the monitor to stop restarting itslef without turning off Turbo, if possible. I think it is possible that the brightness/contrast setting is related because I have noticed an increase in restarts with higher brightness and gamma settings. I am testing the EcoView mode, which is quite dim when added to standard settings.

I lied, Turbo mode stutters on DVI while scrolling/browsing on my set, just like I initially thought, going to Display Port made Turbo Mode work much better.
This turned out to be as wrong as it sounded. I had the monitor set at 60Hz after plugging in DVI.
 
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Figured I'd go ahead and bump this display's thread again with an update on my soon to be copycat Vega display-array. I've received a second open box fg2421 from Newegg and this one is actually--inexplicably--perfect, at least upon first viewing inspection. I cannot find any crosshatching and it is very similar in character to the first unit, which I am holding on to for now as I have recalibrated it, improved upon the black levels and color saturation while also dimming what seemed to me shockingly bright whites while using the TFT central settings.

Since I originally posted about random restarts couple days ago and changed my gamma settings, I have not seen it happen again so I'm crossing my fingers. Seems less likely to me that Turbo 240 is causing the restarts people have reported than simply over-brightness or over-contrast but I'm just applying street logic.

The problems with photos I've been seeing have been further improved by adjusting the gamma from within windows. The monitor was trying to find details in almost pure black that are too feint to display properly. Having those ugly "artifact" details a little darker through gamma adjustment makes them pretty much disappear. Simply following TFTcentrals icc profile (which I find too bright) and color gain calibration settings didn't give me the best picture overall (I hate having to switch color/brightness settings around, even though you can adjust the OSD menu on this thing through Windows which is nice) but I feel I'm gettting pretty close to adequate in all the applications I use now.

Not to sound like a NE shill or anything but the prices on these 2 nearly perfect (imho) OB Eizos has made it possible for me to order a third... which popped up last night for even cheaper. Perhaps they dropped the price even further because this panel has noticeable issues, but I will see when it arrives next week. I recognize $450 USD doesn't make it the cheapest gaming 24" monitor, but it's a substantial improvement over the $600+ NE usually wants for these. If all 3 turn out to be keepers I will have saved quite a bit of money (in my economy anyway) overall. Have never bought open box items from NE before and it's kind of funny to start with 3 pricey monitors, but if we consider that anything you buy from NE might be open box (this is probably not really true) maybe it makes sense sometimes to grab the deals.
 
Figured I'd go ahead and bump this display's thread again with an update on my soon to be copycat Vega display-array. I've received a second open box fg2421 from Newegg and this one is actually--inexplicably--perfect, at least upon first viewing inspection. I cannot find any crosshatching and it is very similar in character to the first unit, which I am holding on to for now as I have recalibrated it, improved upon the black levels and color saturation while also dimming what seemed to me shockingly bright whites while using the TFT central settings.

Since I originally posted about random restarts couple days ago and changed my gamma settings, I have not seen it happen again so I'm crossing my fingers. Seems less likely to me that Turbo 240 is causing the restarts people have reported than simply over-brightness or over-contrast but I'm just applying street logic.

The problems with photos I've been seeing have been further improved by adjusting the gamma from within windows. The monitor was trying to find details in almost pure black that are too feint to display properly. Having those ugly "artifact" details a little darker through gamma adjustment makes them pretty much disappear. Simply following TFTcentrals icc profile (which I find too bright) and color gain calibration settings didn't give me the best picture overall (I hate having to switch color/brightness settings around, even though you can adjust the OSD menu on this thing through Windows which is nice) but I feel I'm gettting pretty close to adequate in all the applications I use now.

Not to sound like a NE shill or anything but the prices on these 2 nearly perfect (imho) OB Eizos has made it possible for me to order a third... which popped up last night for even cheaper. Perhaps they dropped the price even further because this panel has noticeable issues, but I will see when it arrives next week. I recognize $450 USD doesn't make it the cheapest gaming 24" monitor, but it's a substantial improvement over the $600+ NE usually wants for these. If all 3 turn out to be keepers I will have saved quite a bit of money (in my economy anyway) overall. Have never bought open box items from NE before and it's kind of funny to start with 3 pricey monitors, but if we consider that anything you buy from NE might be open box (this is probably not really true) maybe it makes sense sometimes to grab the deals.


Good for you, that might have been my open box unit --- it was indeed perfect. I was just sort of 1 foot out the door with gaming so it wasn't worth it to keep it.
 
Can the anti-glare coating on this particular model be removed? I like my panels glossy so that would be the first thing I would do assuming it's easy enough to remove. Also curious about this cross-hatching problem. Is this like a screen door effect that I can sometimes see on Asus models with heavy coating? The coating on those panels don't help and make the pixels stand out more and gives me a headache. So I'm curious to know if removing the coating on the Foris will help/eliminate this problem.
 
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Good for you, that might have been my open box unit --- it was indeed perfect. I was just sort of 1 foot out the door with gaming so it wasn't worth it to keep it.

Thanks for the tip on that Chuck, would never have had the balls to give the fg2421 a shot without your suggestion that a perfect panel might be picked out by purchasing an open box if one popped up on NE. I suspect a number of people are returning these monitors not because of crosshatching or gamma shift but just input lag. I can't tell the difference between the 144hz monitors' lag and this 240Turbo lag but I don't play FPS games and I suspect Lightboost is less of a frag invitation. Also something about calling this a 240Hz display just irritates me. "Lightboost" is at least not misleading, just not necessarily being used as originally intended.

Can the anti-glare coating on this particular model be removed? I like my panels glossy so that would be the first thing I would do assuming it's easy enough to remove. Also curious about this cross-hatching problem. Is this like a screen door effect that I can sometimes see on Asus models with heavy coating? The coating on those panels don't help and make the pixels stand out more and gives me a headache. So I'm curious to know if removing the coating on the Foris will help/eliminate this problem.

The coating is normal AG but could be described as semi-glossy, according to the TFTcentral review. Having owned an Asus VG278HE just prior to this, the fg2421 is noticeably glossier and I didn't start learning anything about panel coatings or any of the details of LCD monitors until very recently, so it must be pretty obvious.

Vega did remove the coating from his three, I think, but not positive. I find the coating to be both clearer and more reflective than I'm used to, but they are the finest monitors I've ever used (not necessarily saying a lot I have almost no experience with high end LCDs).
 
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This monitor has a lot of input lag. my Korean 27" ips catleap is like 1ms TN in comparison to this eizo. In case if someone looking for a 24" 1080p monitor for gaming - I don't know what can be better than the Dell P2414H. Crisp image, great motion, good responsiveness, factory calibration is a tiny bit worse than this eizo monitor has. It also overclocks to 78hz (that probably depends on sample but still..) Very good contrast ratio too. Get it. :D
 
78 hz is not acceptable for serious gamers who are into shooters, racers, etc. And unless the P2414H has a strobed backlight, there's going to be motion blur.
 
78 hz is not acceptable for serious gamers who are into shooters, racers, etc. And unless the P2414H has a strobed backlight, there's going to be motion blur.

And how come it was acceptable for such a long time? Quake legends were made in the 75~85hz range.
 
This monitor has a lot of input lag. my Korean 27" ips catleap is like 1ms TN in comparison to this eizo. In case if someone looking for a 24" 1080p monitor for gaming - I don't know what can be better than the Dell P2414H. Crisp image, great motion, good responsiveness, factory calibration is a tiny bit worse than this eizo monitor has. It also overclocks to 78hz (that probably depends on sample but still..) Very good contrast ratio too. Get it. :D

The Catleaps seem to have pretty much the same input lag (except when this thing is on the 'Turbo' mode)... so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
And how come it was acceptable for such a long time? Quake legends were made in the 75~85hz range.

The panels weren't available and why would the mfg. sector start kicking them out when they can charge what they want for easy tricks for as long as possible. CRT users who could compare side to side knew all along that motion and response were junk on LCD monitors and many never got used to it or accepted it. Many users simply forgot what was great about CRT monitors, never had one or never saw a good quality flat panel example when they did finally start appearing just before crt production completely ceased.

Now that some people have seen strobing backlight lcd's with crt type refresh rates and crt-like motion, we don't wanna go back. The fact that people are showing some consensus on fg2421 lag is hard to dispute. There may be more to the story than pure input lag time and pixel response - there's a lot we still don't know about how our vision works. Not everyone is wired exactly the same either.

The Catleaps seem to have pretty much the same input lag (except when this thing is on the 'Turbo' mode)... so I don't know what you're talking about.

This is good info, and seems to be supported by test numbers. What I think is being left out of the whole story on this guy is that Turbo240 mode is being totally blown out of proportion. Turn it off on the fg2421 and run UFO test. Motion is almost as good as lightboost and obviously the colors on the VAs are in a different league from TN. Turn 240Turbo on and run UFO test again. You will see... the slightly clearer little alien has a pretty clear looking little ghost now... So, I think sending this panel back because of Turbo240 to instead buy a Korean monitor and overclock it would be slightly insane (unless it's a resolution thing and I'll address that next).

People are paying big money for perfect pixel Catleaps--as in I got 2 fg2421's for the price of one OC extreme 2B (granted I'm an obsessive shopper). I recognize this is kinda apples to oranges because of the resolution but then again it's not--because we're talking about a gaming monitor. I like a 23.5" 1080p just fine for a single screen but let's be real, the advantages of these VA panels include viewing angles and that makes them uniquely suited for multi-monitor 120hz setups because they don't look like crap if you angle them. Same is true for good 96-120Hz IPS right? But who here wants 3 900dollar 27" Catleaps for an iRacing build? I don't. I'm asking for a divorce trying to build a full on simulator as it is. Who's rig can run 3 1440p monitors at 120fps 24/7?

So, I'm still waiting for what I want as far as a larger single panel display like a 1440p 144Hz strobing backlit non-TN (or possibly a HQ TN... maybe it's just about to come) but I suspect 3 fg2421s with Turbo240 OFF is going to be very hard to beat on any type of game in any way right now.
 
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even moreso apples to oranges b/c of resolution since those "higher" resolutions only apply during still frames and screenshots imo.

From my point of view, without blur elimination the non-backlight strobing monitor resolutions (including the OC'd ~120hz korean ips') are a non-resolution during continual FoV movement (movement keys + mouselooking FoV motion flow pathing). This isn't even definable a solid grid resolution during those periods.
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The only monitors that will be capable of actually holding a 2560x1440 resolution during FoV movement/pathing are the upcoming 2560x1440 120hz monitors with lightboost / ULMB mode .. ultra low motion blur mode.
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Shockingly, from what I've read recently the Asus ROG SWIFT PC GAMING MONITOR PG278Q will not officially support lightboost in 2d.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=vMMtsnEfWeY
As noted in the description the monitor supports both 3D VISION and LIGHTBOOST. In regards to the usage there is no dedicated mode for attempting to use LIGHTBOOST in its "hack "form. We are evaluating options for the future but as of now if you want to utilize LIGHTBOOST in this way you will need to continue to "hack" it.
 
even moreso apples to oranges b/c of resolution since those "higher" resolutions only apply during still frames and screenshots imo.

From my point of view, without blur elimination the non-backlight strobing monitor resolutions (including the OC'd ~120hz korean ips') are a non-resolution during continual FoV movement (movement keys + mouselooking FoV motion flow pathing). This isn't even definable a solid grid resolution during those periods.
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The only monitors that will be capable of actually holding a 2560x1440 resolution during FoV movement/pathing are the upcoming 2560x1440 120hz monitors with lightboost / ULMB mode .. ultra low motion blur mode.

This is the kind of technically informative post that drew me to this website. Thank you for your insight.

Shockingly, from what I've read recently the Asus ROG SWIFT PC GAMING MONITOR PG278Q will not officially support lightboost in 2d.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=vMMtsnEfWeY
I have not researched this display and can only pass along what I've happened upon in passing so far. The rumor is that G-sync itself is either better than Lightboost already or that the ROG Swift display's G-sync will support an official strobing mode. Perhaps Toasty's strobelight application will still be useful/needed for people who want to strobe with V-sync on using that monitor. I doubt it will be needed but there may be software that doesn't like G-sync. With the Asus VG278HE and the GPU's I have been using the "hack" always worked absolutely flawless so I did not find the non-native part of the thing to be a flaw in itself, but I'm guessing there is a technical reason why it's better for the strobe control to be native. Is that why Lightboost is so rough on gamma and colors?
 
No problem on the insight. Opinions and info gathered from being a fw900 owner on through all the 120hz monitor threads and lightboost threads, and just being unsatisfied in general with lcd gaming monitor limitations through many years. MarkR of blurbusters giving great photographic examples and detailed display science posts last year helped show what everyone was talking about, others forging ahead through various displays in quest for a better gaming monitor amongst lcd's limitations and providing lots of informative posts and opinions(lots of people but notably vega, and support of toastyX actually releasing an app, etc).
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.Well, considering that the eizo has a gpu camp independent backlight strobing solution that is completely supported, and that g-sync reports from nvidia reps and people like carmack were indicating that upcoming various resolution g-sync monitors would have a "superior to lightboost" capability, later dubbed ULMB mode on some sites... I was very dissapointed in learning that the first 2560x1440 by asus would not official support a backlight strobing blur elimination solution. I don't want to hijack or pollute this thread too much with a different monitor, but it does make the eizo solution and support sound a lot better to me. Now if only eizo would make a 2560x1440 27" version, (or even a 27" 1080 as an option).
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In regard to g-sync being "better than strobing already", some concepts make me question that. It might be better for some scenarios and gpu setups.
quoting myself from a different forum..
1.. g-sync dynamic hz in order to eliminate more obvious screen abberations seen during lower fps/fps fluctuations, by matching (low/sinking down to 40 - >30fps??) framerate roller-coaster fluctuations when a game's graphics settings are set much higher than a gpu setup is capable of rendering at high fps,
2.. superior to lightboost backlight strobing function which eliminates FoV movement blur throughout your 1st/3rd person gaming sessions, where you are regularly panning and rotating your FoV, (FoV flow pathing between movement keys and mouse looking).
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Backlight strobing realistically needs 100hz or higher, so even if you could use g-sync's dynamic hz at the same time (you can't), the backlight strobing would look bad once you sank under 100hz anyway. Backlight strobing at high hz essentially eliminates FoV blur of the entire viewport (sample and hold blur).
A 30hz~30fps and 40hz~40fps dynamic period would blur horribly during FoV movement.
A 60hz monitor blurs the entire viewport "outside of the lines", smearing out all high detail objects, architectures, "geography", and high detail textures including depth via bump-mapping, etc. A 120hz tn reduces this blur by 50%, more within the "shadow mask" of onscreen objects, "geography", and architectures but still loses all detail and texture definition. A 120hz ips, yields lightly worse than 50% blur reduction. A 144hz non-strobed, 60% blur reduction.
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Besides that, low fps basically "freeze-frames" your current game world action slice longer. At 30fps, you are seeing the same frame while the 120hz+120fps user has 4 unique newer frames shown (your 1 plus 3 more newer ones while you are "freeze-framed"). At 40fps, you are seeing the same frame of action while the 120hz+120fps user see's 3 frames (your 1 plus 2 newer). At 60fps, you see half the frames, etc. Running 120hz + 120fps provides more recent action shown more often, and gives you more opportunities to initiate actions/alter movement paths (more "dots per dotted line length" per se). Greater motion definition and animation definition via a greater number of world action state slices displayed is not only functionally better but aesthetically better visually and control feel wise.
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So, I don't think g-sync is for everyone, but it sounds like people who want to crank their gfx settings super high in relation to their limited gpu power.. sinking their fps on a sub-60 fps down to 30fps roller coaster ride.. would get a large benefit in smoothness (lack of screen abberations). They would also experience full FoV movement sample and hold blur, and perhaps even worse than the 60hz baseline blur as their fps and hz sink to 40 and even 30fps~hz in some setups and games.
 
I don't think g-sync is for everyone, but it sounds like people who want to crank their gfx settings super high in relation to their limited gpu power.. sinking their fps on a sub-60 fps down to 30fps roller coaster ride.. would get a large benefit in smoothness (lack of screen abberations). They would also experience full FoV movement sample and hold blur, and perhaps even worse than the 60hz baseline blur as their fps and hz sink to 40 and even 30fps~hz in some setups and games.

I think discussing the various strobing alternatives being introduced makes perfect sense for this thread so it's not a hijack at all to talk about the ROG SWIFT in depth imo, but I want to be clear that I think Eizo's Turbo240 solution is far from ideal and I'm actually advocating users turn it off altogether in a lot of situations.

Turbo240 is only superior to Lightboost in the sense that it does not really have any color side effects, but it seems to introduce enough input lag to bother some competitive gamers and it definitely introduces ghosting, which is a deal-breaker for me on that feature after spending some time with it. As an example, this website absolutely hates Turbo240, at least with good deep blacks calibrated the yellow or white lettering on top smears and ghosts pretty badly while scrolling. Using this monitor as a simple old 120Hz non-strobing display is much much better for browsing at the very least. I'm not saying 240Turbo is a gimmick altogether, it does definitely make fast motion a bit clearer, but Eizo calling it 240Hz is scammy, and overall the monitor performs incredibly without strobing at all, so including Turbo mode added a lot of cost to the fg2421 and the fact that it's slightly broken (ghosting is not pretty to my eyes but may not bother others at all) makes the feature dead weight in my opinion.

The hope and expectation is that Turbo240 is just the first in a wave of constantly improving strobing solutions for gaming monitors in the future. I didn't buy an fg2421 specifically for the strobe feature, rather for the black levels and smooth gradients that have been reported combined with native 120Hz rr (and I got what I was after).

Hello guys, still VERY happy with this monitor.

I just got one tiny but annoying problem. Sometimes, the monitor seems to go on Sleep mode. The image turns black, the logo appears and I have to move the mouse to see my windows again.
It is very annoying during game, I can't do anything for like 5 seconds...
I set "Power manager" to "disabled", doesn't work...

Any clue ?

I've been wanting to find "the answer" for this issue, as it seems wide-spread... almost to the point that I'm wondering if the monitor isn't doing it for it's own perfectly good reasons. I have had both of mine restart on me but very rarely and it seems to follow me messing with the setting of Turbo240. I'm only now addressing your question specifically because I can 100% confirm that it happens whether Turbo is on or off. If it continues and I can't find an answer, I'll RMA one to Eizo directly and see what they have to say about it.
 
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even moreso apples to oranges b/c of resolution since those "higher" resolutions only apply during still frames and screenshots imo.

From my point of view, without blur elimination the non-backlight strobing monitor resolutions (including the OC'd ~120hz korean ips') are a non-resolution during continual FoV movement (movement keys + mouselooking FoV motion flow pathing). This isn't even definable a solid grid resolution during those periods.
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The only monitors that will be capable of actually holding a 2560x1440 resolution during FoV movement/pathing are the upcoming 2560x1440 120hz monitors with lightboost / ULMB mode .. ultra low motion blur mode.
That is interesting theory. But you will not be able to see 30% of 2560x1440 resolution of the upcoming g-sync (and possibly strobing) 1440p TNs either due to the TN gamma shift. So considering that it is 30% reduction in the area of the display that you are able to clearly see, given that, the actual resolution of those monitors will really be 1792x1008. That is actually less than my current ips Dell display!
This world hasn't been flawless from the very beginning...:D
 
So much confusion about gsync, lightboost, strobing, and what they actually do. If people would do a little research these threads would actually be about what the title says.

Then you throw in some ignorance and some ego and just goes on and on and on, blah blah
 
That is interesting theory. But you will not be able to see 30% of 2560x1440 resolution of the upcoming g-sync (and possibly strobing) 1440p TNs either due to the TN gamma shift. So considering that it is 30% reduction in the area of the display that you are able to clearly see, given that, the actual resolution of those monitors will really be 1792x1008. That is actually less than my current ips Dell display!
This world hasn't been flawless from the very beginning...:D

I understand the percentage of shift you are talking about but since I have a 27" TN (samsung a750 1080p) currently I can't agree with the statement that you can't see the percentage of the monitor that suffers shift. The way I have mine set up, the most noticeable is a band across the top which is definitely shaded darker compared to standing up extra high in my chair, but it isn't anything like being omitted or erased display area. The only way it would be that dark or alternately suffer a "solarized" effect at worst would be if I was looking at it from some extreme angle. TN shift is still a considerable tradeoff negative and can be annoying even if it is "only" suffering a shading type rather than blanking effect on the display uniformity though.
 
I understand the percentage of shift you are talking about but since I have a 27" TN (samsung a750 1080p) currently I can't agree with the statement that you can't see the percentage of the monitor that suffers shift. The way I have mine set up, the most noticeable is a band across the top which is definitely shaded darker compared to standing up extra high in my chair, but it isn't anything like being omitted or erased display area. The only way it would be that dark or alternately suffer a "solarized" effect at worst would be if I was looking at it from some extreme angle. TN shift is still a considerable tradeoff negative and can be annoying even if it is "only" suffering a shading type rather than blanking effect on the display uniformity though.
Yes, the top side of the monitor exactly, and probably the sides too a bit. It seems to me that that's about 30% of the monitor, if not more, really... But if yours looks alright or if you managed to position it the way that it exhibits less shift, well then, good for you. :cool: You got to always mind you position, of course.
 
I'm not arguing that there is an affected area of a TN monitor. The horizontal band on mine is probably a strip around 1/5th down the monitor from the top. However I don't see the darker portion as a blanked out area. It is certainly very visible, just darkened. That is why I usually call it "TN shift/shade" or "TN shadow". It is not very noticeable in gaming sessions. A good glossy TN can be vibrant even if not accurate color wise but TN shift certainly compromises the contrast, brightness and overall color uniformity in the fields it encompasses at a given viewing angle. In my experience these areas are 100% visible pixel resolution viewing head on, but they are however "dimmed". Of course the color accuracy and black levels/detail in blacks on TN's are also a big tradeoff, and up until now(soon), TN not having 2560x1440 resolution and ppi available.
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From what I've read of this VA eizo, the viewing angles are much better (especially useful for multi monitor crowd). Critiques are slight ghosting (typical complaint on VA panels in general), cross-hatching evident to one degree or another on some panels(lottery?), "clouding" of certain colors (especially on edge of monitor I think), and slight increase in input lag (also a common VA panel issue, though even certain lightboost mode TN's have some minor increase in input lag), and apparently some people have monitor shutoff issues. Pros are much greater contrast/brightness, black levels/detail-in-blacks, color, and an officially supported 120hz backlight strobing blur elimination tech independent of gpu camp which doesn't suffer major dimming/muting of the panel and compromising of color like current lightboost monitors do in lightboost hack mode.
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In regard to the testufo motion test strobing/non-strobing comparisons that have been mentioned, remember that the testufo image is a single, very simple cell shaded cartoon object used for testing purposes. In reality, your entire viewport of high detail geometry (creatures, architectures, game world "geography"), very high detail textures and shaders (including depth via bump mapping) will be lost in FoV movement blur in modern games.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/FORIS-FG2421-BK-23-5-Inch-Screen-Monitor/dp/B00GBG5SPO/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Thought it was interesting that Amazon changed the expected shipment time from 2-4weeks to 1-4weeks and dropped the price on these to $561. Is anyone actually being able to buy these from amazon rather than their marketplace sellers which all want 600+? I don't care really but I'm curious what Amazon is doing about the QC issues on this monitor and if they are going to actually be shipping any of them or not?
 
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Thought it was interesting that Amazon changed the expected shipment time from 2-4weeks to 1-4weeks and dropped the price on these to $561. Is anyone actually being able to buy these from amazon rather than their marketplace sellers which all want 600+? I don't care really but I'm curious what Amazon is doing about the QC issues on this monitor and if they are going to actually be shipping any of them or not?

They have never had it in stock.
 
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Because I was curious, I sent Eizo an email asking the price for an industrial/Graphics Information Systems display this unit is based on. It is the DuraVision FDF2405W and offers the following features:

· 3D Video Sync Connection
· Luminance Uniformity Correction
· Color Uniformity Correction
· Calibration to EPD gamma curve, 137cd/m2 Lmax and 6500k white point
· Anti glare & reflection coating

Sounds great where do I sign? Eizo was willing to offer a quote through a distributor but after seeing that they had set MSRP at $5,999, I figured I'd settle for my fg2421s.
 
And then I received the last of the 3 open box fg2421s I ordered from NE:
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This is not what open box is supposed to mean is it? The bezel itself is open! Anyway the panel has what looks to me like a tiny smudge pretty much dead center where maybe someone was trying to unstick a pixel and pressed too hard, so I don't imagine they will give me a hard time for returning it. Anyway just a heads up, if you see a couple of these Open Box back on NE stay away, one of them restarts itself at least once a day and the other is smashed. Wouldn't be surprised if they put it back up open box again for 450. But since they've been paying all the shipping costs both ways they must be getting annoyed with the process. Personally I just find it slightly amusing they are shipping these 600dollar monitors in such inadequate packaging.

I've placed an order with ProVantage for a full price NIB fg2421. It should be here Friday. I would have gone with a different manufacturer and product if I could but there is no other 1080p 120Hz strobing VA monitor on the market. I won't go back to TN blacklight bleeding, weak contrast, and rough color gradients. Is there a 120Hz TN on the market that doesn't have severe problems with at least one of those?
 
New/niche technology is always about taking risks. I see a lot of people claiming that they think it's overpriced which is both true and untrue, depending on how you look at it. I am personally willing to spend an extra $200 or so I know I won't get back as the monitor likely deprecates in value over the year(s), because this is my passion; that's just how this sort of technology works more often than not. While I regret paying $1500 for a 2560x1600 for a 30" S-PVA monitor many years ago, I wouldn't have regreted paying $1000. Here's a rundown I made for everyone for what I see people debating on in this thread:

FG2421
$500-$600 USD
Pros:
- VA Panel
- Brightness / contrast kicks any other panel's butt by miles and miles
- Native 120Hz
- Frame processing to effective 240hz that isn't interpolation
- Strobing backlight that isn't tied to GPU and doesn't need hacks
- Low overall display time
- Other high-end gamer features
Cons:
- Relatively expensive
- Only 16:9 1080p
- Only 24"
- Some QA gamble
- VA panels don't have great side viewing angles
- Not 3D Vision compatible afaik

ASUS VG248QE
$160-$240 USD
Pros:
- Relatively inexpensive for a high-end gaming monitor
- Native 120Hz
- Nvidia Gsync seriously rocks and is for *tearing* and *stuttering*
- Strobing backlight with Lightboost
- Nvidia Lightboost
- Nvidia 3D Vision support
- 144Hz mode for additional blur reduction from frame processing
- Other misc. high-end gaming monitor features
- Overdrive
Cons:
- Regular 'ol TFT panel isn't great for colour reproduction
- Brightness / contrast is just only average for price
- Native 16:9 1080p
- Only 24"
- Lightboost technology requires hacks to use on non-stereoscopic 3D
- Lightboost requires hacks to work with non-Nvidia GPUs
- No hacks yet for non-Nvidia GPUs to use Gsync

Korean 27" 2560x1440p IPS / PLS
$280-$600 USD
Pros:
- Larger native resolution of 2560x1440
- Good IPS or PLS panel (usually IPS) with possibly the best colour reproduction
- Larger 27" screen
- Better PPI / DPI
- Some models can be overclocked to 120Hz
- Relatively inexpensive for a high resolution, big IPS monitor
- IPS has great viewing angles
Cons:
- IPS panels come from "A-" stock and are of varying quality and performance
- Contrast & brightness are usually inferior to quite inferior to TFT solutions (and don't even compare to VA)
- Some QA gamble (and shipping back internationally can be expensive!)
- Backlights are usually rather low / average quality
- Overclocking a monitor is still inferior to a monitor designed to do that timing natively, and can even introduce additional problems (combined with QA gamble)
- Overclocking never guarunteed
- Lack of motion blur reduction besides the pittance of 120hz overclocked
- Non e-IPS can have ghosting due to poor display time
- Lack of post-processing features like DCR

ASUS TBA 120hz IPS Monitor w/ Gsync
$800 USD announced
Pros:
- Most certainly 2560x1440 or unlikely 2560x1600
- Most certainly 27" or unlikely 30"
- Native 120hz, no overclocking
- Gsync support, which is confirmed to include Lightboost
- Possible 3D Vision support
- Probable relatively low display time (w/o processing)
- Probably a great backlight
- Probable misc. high-end gaming monitor features
Cons:
- Quite expensive (most out of any listed)
- May be bound to Nvidia GPUs for a while
- See Korean and other ASUS monitors for more applicable stuff
(All this still rather speculatory for this monitor)

In the end, it's all about preference and what fits best for you.
 
Gah, seriously? I *just* put in an order from amazon for the $560 price they have. Should I wait and see, or should I cancel the order and order from a different vendor?

Nah, he's right. They have never shipped a single one to my knowledge. It's strange they have left the listing up literally for months, but always the Marketplace sellers are the first choice and if it were me I would buy from either Rak
u
ten.com
or Provantage right now. They both claim to pay return shipping for defective monitors. I went Provantage and my new fg2421 just arrived, although I had to fight with Fedex over my Hold for pickup order. I think I'll give Raku10.com a shot on the next one. About to set the new one up and look for inevitable flaws :(

ANNDDDD fucking dead pixel. Had it with this display.
 
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Nah, he's right. They have never shipped a single one to my knowledge. It's strange they have left the listing up literally for months, but always the Marketplace sellers are the first choice and if it were me I would buy from either Rak
u
ten.com
or Provantage right now. They both claim to pay return shipping for defective monitors. I went Provantage and my new fg2421 just arrived, although I had to fight with Fedex over my Hold for pickup order. I think I'll give Raku10.com a shot on the next one. About to set the new one up and look for inevitable flaws :(

ANNDDDD fucking dead pixel. Had it with this display.

My god, you are having a brutal run of luck. Perhaps you used it all up on some golden i7s or something? lol
 
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