Nvidia G-SYNC DIY Kits Now Available ($199)

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I'm on the fence about getting this kit.

Let's say I get it, does this turn the LCD into an Nvidia only LCD? or can it still be used with AMD cards?

From the video's i've seen it basically becomes an "nvidia display".

(To clarify I use an nvidia card once in a while to test things)
 
Druneau said:
I'm on the fence about getting this kit.

Let's say I get it, does this turn the LCD into an Nvidia only LCD? or can it still be used with AMD cards?

From the video's i've seen it basically becomes an "nvidia display".

(To clarify I use an nvidia card once in a while to test things)
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Couldn't you just reverse the process? If the DP becomes a nvidia only DP
 
Would make it cumbersome to switch back and forth.

I'll dig a bit more and might ask them.
 
darkstarcow said:
You two may want to get together and decide whether G-Sync supports all games (false) or even most games (likely still false).
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Mantle currently works in zero games.

And yes Gsync works with most games. They are not paying you enough to even do some research.
 
How I understand it is if you use the DP with a non-Nvidia card you won't get GSync (still lose the 85hz option) but still get a signal.
 
since the controller is programmable, i hope some enterprising individuals are able to hack it for AMD compatibility
 
Trimlock said:
How I understand it is if you use the DP with a non-Nvidia card you won't get GSync (still lose the 85hz option) but still get a signal.
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Where did you see that, i can't remember any review articles trying to plug in a amd card to a g-sync monitor.
 
Semantics said:
Where did you see that, i can't remember any review articles trying to plug in a amd card to a g-sync monitor.
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I think it was stated by Nvidia in an interview, the mod would not stop a signal just the syncing. I wouldn't doubt you'd get a decent amount of issues trying this.
 
Filter said:
WOW thats way more then i though they would be.

i was expecting 99 bucks for some reason.
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The $99 was derived from the price of the G-Sync enabled ASUS VG248QE having a reported MSRP of $399 when they are currently around $299.

PC Perspective and Bit Tech's reviews kind of shed light on why the initial launch version of G-Sync is more.

PC Perspective said:
The back story here is that NVIDIA chose to go with a more expensive FPGA chip for this first round of G-Sync hardware, reason being is that it is faster to get a product to market in this manner. This is typical for first run hardware, and purpose-built ASICs would logically follow in future generations of G-Sync hardware.
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Bit Tech said:
The G-Sync chip itself is actually an FPGA (the Altera Arria V GX) rather than a custom-designed ASIC: a sure-fire sign of how young this technology currently is.
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As time goes on and NV gets custom ASIC chips I think you will see the price go down.

As for now taking into account the DIY kit has a custom VG248QE PCB and Altera chip you can see why the price is higher.

Spazturtle said:
Why would NVIDIA make it cheap when you can rip people off?
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Rip off? Who else has a competing technology? You can't call it a rip off if there is no other version to compare it to? What wouldn't be a rip off? $100? $50? free? I am honestly curious in your rational as to why it is a rip off? I have a feeling based on every other post you make even if it was free you would complain.

Last time I knew NV and AMD were not nonprofits. The tech just came out, there is nothing else like it, it is aimed at enthusiasts, and as stated above uses a pretty expensive chip. I would imagine overtime the price drops just like any other technology.

Druneau said:
Let's say I get it, does this turn the LCD into an Nvidia only LCD? or can it still be used with AMD cards?
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I wanted to double check the same thing before I made my order and dusted off my VG248QE.

My understanding after speaking customer support and emailing one of our tech reps it does not disable the DP on non-GeForce cards. I occasionally have to plug non-Geforce workstations (Quadro, Intel, & FirePro) into my gaming screen and didn't want to lose that capability.

The way it was explained the handshake is done by the driver. The driver will allow the Geforce card to talk to the G-Sync module. In order to activate G-Sync you must have the G-Sync compatible Geforce drivers installed on your machine.

For instance, if you put in a 780 and complete the DIY kit then never install the newer drivers the monitor will act like a standard DP input.

G-Sync is enabled through the NV Control panel. It can be turned on and off at will. If you don't have compatible drivers you will not get the G-Sync section in the NV Control panel along with no option to change the refresh to G-Sync or V-Sync to G-Sync. All reviews have said the same.

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Provided you have a recent GeForce driver installed, you will see a few new options in the NVIDIA Control Panel:

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This is also why G-Sync has the limitation of not working in windowed mode since NV Control Panel is profile specific. This was also touched on in all the reviews.

So no, I see no way the DP gets bricked on non-Geforce cards.
 
Sorry, I wasn't trying to drag the discussion into a Mantle/AMD versus GSync/NVIDIA argument :) Those are just the two new techs I am most interested in.

I really am interested in this ROG monitor. I typically hate TN panels but I've only ever used low end ones. If the price on the ROG is reasonable for the size and specs I may jump on it.. I've never used a 120hz display.
 
Has anyone seen any details if they have support for surroundview and/or 3D implemented? I know that it requires displayport, so 3 way sli would be required at a minimum, but I haven't heard one way or the other, and the official FAQ doesn't mention either.
 
I can't speak specifically to the ASUS display, but 120 Hz itself is wonderful.

TN displays make perfectly reasonable gaming displays, in my opinion. They tend to require some software finessing to get within the ballpark of color 'accuracy', but that's a tractable problem. Just keep your head in the right position and they're generally fine.
 
CrazyRob said:
Has anyone seen any details if they have support for surroundview and/or 3D implemented?
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Surround is a no according to reviews. G-Sync only works as the primary display.

3D is a yes per Tom Petersen with NV. PCPer did an interview with Petersen confirming.

The whole announced lineup are 3D screens so I imagine NV wouldn't make it one or the other.
 
BroHamBone said:
$99 by the end of the year... Or at least $150

It's just....retarded to use these on a 144hz monitor, unless I've been out of the loop and something has changed. I thought these were going to be directed or more beneficial to those 60hz type.
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Even if you are averaging 50-60fps, sometimes some frames can come in quicker than that rate (like two frames back to back, then a long break until the next one). A faster display has more likelihood of being able to render that quick frame.
 
Does this work on older 144 Hz monitors like the one in my signature? If not, then fuck you nVidia you just lost a customer :mad:.
 
KickAssCop said:
Does this work on older 144 Hz monitors like the one in my signature? If not, then fuck you nVidia you just lost a customer :mad:.
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What an absurd thing to be enraged about. The kit much like any other piece of hardware has certain minimum pre-requisites, I can only assume the specific panel used in the display in question is one of them.

You might as well complain about not being able to jam DDR4 into a DDR3 motherboard.
 
KickAssCop said:
Does this work on older 144 Hz monitors like the one in my signature? If not, then fuck you nVidia you just lost a customer :mad:.
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Lmao, I'm sure it will work since Asus 144hz screens are going to be the main modded screens at the beginning.

Way to voice your opinionated lie though. It's like saying you will NEVER shop at Wallyworld again....
 
So in summary...one model from one manufacturer and a $200 diy kit later that removes some retail functions and voids your warranty. That's about as close to being unavailable as the AMD solution as it gets. Nvidia doesn't have much of a high horse there to sit on.
 
pcjunkie said:
So in summary...one model from one manufacturer and a $200 diy kit later that removes some retail functions and voids your warranty. That's about as close to being unavailable as the AMD solution as it gets. Nvidia doesn't have much of a high horse there to sit on.
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There are monitors with it already built-in, and more coming.
 
Kor said:
What an absurd thing to be enraged about. The kit much like any other piece of hardware has certain minimum pre-requisites, I can only assume the specific panel used in the display in question is one of them.

You might as well complain about not being able to jam DDR4 into a DDR3 motherboard.
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BroHamBone said:
Lmao, I'm sure it will work since Asus 144hz screens are going to be the main modded screens at the beginning.

Way to voice your opinionated lie though. It's like saying you will NEVER shop at Wallyworld again....
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Lighten up. It was sarcasm. Inevitably, I will buy a new G-Sync version monitor. But before that they have other things to worry about like having 144 Hz on a 1440P or higher screen before I invest further in ANY monitor. Also there is no way I am going back in screen size to a 24" monitor.
 
KickAssCop said:
Lighten up. It was sarcasm. Inevitably, I will buy a new G-Sync version monitor. But before that they have other things to worry about like having 144 Hz on a 1440P or higher screen before I invest further in ANY monitor. Also there is no way I am going back in screen size to a 24" monitor.
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Your sarcasm didn't come through at all. 144Hz at 1440P isn't possible on DP1.2, so you'll have to wait for a bit until DP1.3 comes around. I think the max bandwidth of DP1.2 allows something like 137.5Hz at 1440P.

It's possible the monitor that is coming out, which is listed at 120Hz+, can do 144Hz at lower resolutions, and bandwidth limited near 137.5Hz at its native 1440P.
 
I'm hoping an lcd comes out that supports the 177hz some articles are quoting as maximum G-Sync boards can handle.

I'd be happy even if it's 720p@177hz. Hell I'd be happy with 800x600 300hz.
 
From reading the forum over at Overlord, it sounds like NVidia is in the process of designing G-Sync kits for other venders (aka not Asus). Overlord even says they will be getting their own kit, but it will be after the larger companies get theirs. They claim that when they get theirs finished, their 1440p IPS monitors will be upgradeable to G-Sync. I have my fingers crossed that the Samsung G-Sync kit will work with the Korean PLS monitors. A 27" 1440p PLS Qnix + G-Sync would be about $500 at current prices....WTB....
 
pcjunkie said:
Show me where you can actually purchase one now that isn't "available soon or back ordered".
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http://overlordcomputer.com/collections/24-monitors/products/asus-vg248qe-g-sync

The ASUS VQ248GE will have it built in. It's kind of bullshit that you are qualifying your statement with "that isn't available soon or backordered", as if that is somehow the fault of the manufacturer or NVIDIA. This is brand new technology and it's using an FPGA rather than a custom ASIC so I imagine ramping up production will take a little longer. The monitor manufacturers themselves need to add the technology to the monitor to make this work so you can hardly fault NVIDIA for this.

Your statement that it's "about as close to being unavailable as AMD's solution" is just factually wrong. AMD demoed the tech on laptops for a reason, and it's because the technology they are using requires support built into both the panel and the display as well. There is no way to use Freesync on existing displays and it doesn't sound like there is any significant push to change this anytime soon. From Anandtech:
There’s apparently already a VESA standard for controlling VBLANK intervals. The GPU’s display engine needs to support it, as do the panel and display hardware itself. If all of the components support this spec however, then you can get what appears to be the equivalent of G-Sync without any extra hardware.
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this become standardized and not require any additional hardware. But as it stands NVIDIA has a solution that you can use now, even if it requires some tinkering, whereas AMD's solution is not able to be implemented by end users now or for the foreseeable future.
 
Rizen said:
http://overlordcomputer.com/collections/24-monitors/products/asus-vg248qe-g-sync

The ASUS VQ248GE will have it built in. It's kind of bullshit that you are qualifying your statement with "that isn't available soon or backordered", as if that is somehow the fault of the manufacturer or NVIDIA. This is brand new technology and it's using an FPGA rather than a custom ASIC so I imagine ramping up production will take a little longer. The monitor manufacturers themselves need to add the technology to the monitor to make this work so you can hardly fault NVIDIA for this.

Your statement that it's "about as close to being unavailable as AMD's solution" is just factually wrong. AMD demoed the tech on laptops for a reason, and it's because the technology they are using requires support built into both the panel and the display as well. There is no way to use Freesync on existing displays and it doesn't sound like there is any significant push to change this anytime soon. From Anandtech: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this become standardized and not require any additional hardware. But as it stands NVIDIA has a solution that you can use now, even if it requires some tinkering, whereas AMD's solution is not able to be implemented by end users now or for the foreseeable future.
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All you had to say is your right, it's not available yet. That's my point. You can stop the bullshit "high horse" crap until its an actual fact. The rest of your post is just hyperbole.
 
pcjunkie said:
All you had to say is your right, it's not available yet. That's my point. You can stop the bullshit "high horse" crap until its an actual fact. The rest of your post is just hyperbole.
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Your original statement is still bullshit. NVIDIA has working technology right now that is shipping, AMD does not outside of tech demos using laptops. I don't understand how this isn't a clear distinction. Waaahh, this brand new technology that only one manufacturer produces is limited availability. Welcome to technology?
 
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Rizen said:
Your original statement is still bullshit. NVIDIA has working technology right now that is shipping, AMD does not outside of tech demos using laptops. I don't understand how this isn't a clear distinction. Waaahh, this brand new technology that only one manufacturer produces is limited availability. Welcome to technology?
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LOL fan boys...twisting a simple question to their side....well its available, ok well its shipping, ok well give the OEM's time....la, la,la. And I don't give one shit about AMD's solution one way or the other. The only thing I know from my original post is kit's are shipping that void your warranty while losing features. cry moar...
 
pcjunkie said:
LOL fan boys...twisting a simple question to their side....well its available, ok well its shipping, ok well give the OEM's time....la, la,la. And I don't give one shit about AMD's solution one way or the other. The only thing I know from my original post is kit's are shipping that void your warranty while losing features. cry moar...
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I have AMD hardware in both my systems at the moment. Fan boy? Give me a break.

If you are afraid of voiding warranties maybe this isn't the right forum for you.
 
Rizen said:
I have AMD hardware in both my systems at the moment. Fan boy? Give me a break.

If you are afraid of voiding warranties maybe this isn't the right forum for you.
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Ignore him, he's just trying to stir up trouble.

A couple people on the TR forum have the modified monitor and have posted a review.

http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91772

So it is out there in the public.
 
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Knock off the name calling ...debate civilly or dont post...personal attacks will not be tolerated and will result in bans...you have been warned
 
PRIME1 said:
Ignore his, he's just trying to stir up trouble.

A couple people on the TR forum have the modified monitor and have posted a review.

http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91772

So it is out there in the public.
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That first sentence is ironic coming from you...secondly thank you for confirming my point. Only kits available right now that void your warranty and remove some retail features.
 
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pcjunkie said:
That first sentence is ironic coming from you...secondly thank you for confirming my point. Only kits available right now that void you warranty and remove some retail features.
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What specific functionality loss are you concerned with? OSD? Other inputs? Personally, my current monitor doesn't have an OSD (Korean IPS panel) and I don't care or even notice. I believe the GSync module has it's own OSD so that's really more of a trade off.

The lack of other inputs I don't see as a big deal either since I haven't seen a video card without DisplayPort or MiniDP in several years.

This is a purpose-built tech for gaming. I don't see these limitations really being a concern for gamers. Maybe graphics professionals, but they aren't going to be interested in this.

I believe some of these limitations are due to the bandwidth limitations needed for 120hz+.
 
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