AMD Demonstrates "FreeSync", Free G-Sync Alternative at CES 2014

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madgun said:
Umm but everyone including AMD use USB 3.0 in their motherboard.

Just check the USB 3.0 spec sheet and see which company contributed the most to the standard.
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Because they had to make it open to get it widely adopted. When they don't need it Intel strongly guards their monopoly.

Ebernanut said:
One company is pushing trying to help develop a universal standard that everyone can use and the other is trying to make something that requires their gpu and special hardware in the monitor that is made or licensed by them in order to function, you can't argue that the former is at least more of an open standard than the latter. It's also easy to tell which route both of those companies tend to take if you have been paying attention the last 5-10 years, personally I think that industry standards that allow for compatibility across brands is a big part of what makes PCs great.
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At the moment it's more like one company is screaming
"Guys buy our gpus, we will some day add that hot stuff competitor annouced and it might even work the same without additional costs. Promise. "
 
Nvidia should start their own PC line like Apple does. They have all the necessary proprietary peripherals to do so already. I think it's the next step in their evolution.
 
Michaelius said:
At the moment it's more like one company is screaming
"Guys buy our gpus, we will some day add that hot stuff competitor annouced and it might even work the same without additional costs. Promise. "
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I'm not sure how demonstrating a working proof of concept at CES is screaming, they also didn't make any promises they simply said that they were working on it(which the demo proves). It's fair to point out that G-sync is all but here and Freesync is nothing more than a proof of concept at this point but I doubt that either technology is fully mature yet and I wouldn't want to spend much to be an early adopter of either, I'm more interested in where this ends up in a couple years.
 
The basic tech is proven and has been in use in laptops for years which is why the demo was done with laptops. The problem, as AMD already said, is getting the monitor manufacturers on board.

Hopefully with the necessary requirements being built into DP1.3 we should see FreeSync in desktop monitors in mid-late 2014.
 
cageymaru said:
Nvidia should start their own PC line like Apple does. They have all the necessary proprietary peripherals to do so already. I think it's the next step in their evolution.
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I'm not sure they really have anything remarkable to offer in that space. They do good work in several areas, but nothing that screams "these guys could make a really amazing PC".

They do, however, have a reference design tablet. It's fairly unremarkable.
 
cageymaru said:
Nvidia should start their own PC line like Apple does. They have all the necessary proprietary peripherals to do so already. I think it's the next step in their evolution.
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They already got their ass handed to them in the mobile market, so after that beat down they are still licking their wounds.

Good shit Nvidia had in their early years of being a respectable company was their nForce chipset along with that amazing audio technology they completely let die. Now everything they do is to try and get you locked in. They might have the fastest stuff now but there comes a time your ass gets knocked off the mountain...
 
Venomous said:
They already got their ass handed to them in the mobile market, so after that beat down they are still licking their wounds.
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How's AMD and Intel doing in the mobile market?

As I recall AMD was so terrified that they didn't even dare to step into the game.
 
jwcalla said:
How's AMD and Intel doing in the mobile market?

As I recall AMD was so terrified that they didn't even dare to step into the game.
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Not the point, they over hyped tegra and now look... Point is Nvidia is guilty of the exact same thing you guys talk smack about AMD doing . Fact is , without AMD you couldn't afford the prices of what nvidias cards would be priced at, period.

You know 10 yrs ago this was the best hardware forum on the net. This kind of "agenda" posting destroyed a few other forums, including this one. It's sad to see Kyle just allowing this to continue for so long.

Just remember how the tech world would be without competition ... AMD is far less evil than Nvidia and anyone who believes otherwise is just lying to themselves .
 
Venomous said:
You know 10 yrs ago this was the best hardware forum on the net. This kind of "agenda" posting destroyed a few other forums, including this one. It's sad to see Kyle just allowing this to continue for so long.

Just remember how the tech world would be without competition ... AMD is far less evil than Nvidia and anyone who believes otherwise is just lying to themselves .
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I think it's utterly amazing to see someone complain about agenda posting and then post that one publicly held corporation is somehow "less evil" than another publicly held corporation. This is pure nonsense. Both companies' executives do whatever they think will bring their shareholders the most profit or keep their business alive. Nvidia is the market leader and they have good margins on their products, whereas AMD has very poor operating margins and regularly loses money on many of their products. You can call Nvidia "evil" all you want, they're just doing the most sensible thing for their shareholders, which is literally their legal duty as a publicly held corporation.

It is normal for the market leader to try to maintain high margins on their products, and normal for competitors who can't match the brand power to compete on price to try to build/maintain market share... neither of these practices are "evil" or "good" in any meaningful sense.
 
Venomous said:
Not the point, they over hyped tegra and now look... Point is Nvidia is guilty of the exact same thing you guys talk smack about AMD doing . Fact is , without AMD you couldn't afford the prices of what nvidias cards would be priced at, period.

You know 10 yrs ago this was the best hardware forum on the net. This kind of "agenda" posting destroyed a few other forums, including this one. It's sad to see Kyle just allowing this to continue for so long.

Just remember how the tech world would be without competition ... AMD is far less evil than Nvidia and anyone who believes otherwise is just lying to themselves .
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Last time I checked it wasn't Nvidia who sold me 2 radeon GPUs on false promises that they would work correctly together.
 
Venomous said:
Good shit Nvidia had in their early years of being a respectable company was their nForce chipset along with that amazing audio technology they completely let die. Now everything they do is to try and get you locked in. They might have the fastest stuff now but there comes a time your ass gets knocked off the mountain...
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I wouldn't say they let nForce die. Intel sued Nvidia claiming their chipset licensing agreement, that lasted 4 years, didn't cover the Nehalem or Core CPUs. It only covered chips without integrated memory controllers.

Without an Intel license what was NV to do? AMD side wasn't making the money like the Intel side. So NV put their resources into their own SoCs.

Being forced out of a large portion of their business is more correct than letting it die.

Now you understand why NV might want to create their own tech and lock it rather than deal with licensing.
 
Michaelius said:
Because they had to make it open to get it widely adopted. When they don't need it Intel strongly guards their monopoly.
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And who else works and puts the standard for free. It's not like Intel is charging licensing fee for USB 3.0.

This is a cynical world we will in where every one guard their secrets, so anything that comes for free should be out of the norm, right?
 
cageymaru said:
Nvidia should start their own PC line like Apple does. They have all the necessary proprietary peripherals to do so already. I think it's the next step in their evolution.
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Nvidia lacks an x86 license, and intel has no interesting in licensing to Nvidia.

Only thing Nvidia could do is launch ARM-powered PC's, which would be restricted to running Windows RT and Linux... so far, nothing ARM-based has been a huge success as a desktop or laptop PC.
 
Unknown-One said:
Only thing Nvidia could do is launch ARM-powered PC's, which would be restricted to running Windows RT and Linux... so far, nothing ARM-based has been a huge success as a desktop or laptop PC.
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Not entirely true. ARM-based ChromeBooks have been successful. ChromeBooks in general outsold MacBooks last year by a factor of five.
 
wonderfield said:
Not entirely true. ARM-based ChromeBooks have been successful. ChromeBooks in general outsold MacBooks last year by a factor of five.
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most likely sue to the ability to buy 5 chromebooks at the cost on 1 MacBook, most the of chromebook's success has been in commercial distributors (CDW, Ingram Micro) and hardly a basis for actual consumer sales, or OEMs (Dell etc)
 
Venomous said:
Not the point, they over hyped tegra and now look... Point is Nvidia is guilty of the exact same thing you guys talk smack about AMD doing . Fact is , without AMD you couldn't afford the prices of what nvidias cards would be priced at, period.

You know 10 yrs ago this was the best hardware forum on the net. This kind of "agenda" posting destroyed a few other forums, including this one. It's sad to see Kyle just allowing this to continue for so long.

Just remember how the tech world would be without competition ... AMD is far less evil than Nvidia and anyone who believes otherwise is just lying to themselves .
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So AMD's role is to keep the prices of the market leading competitors in check?

How about actually becoming a market leader instead? I know it takes a lot of hard work to be the best and all... but I'm just not seeing why I, as a consumer, am obligated to support a mediocre and lazy company.
 
stealthy123 said:
AMD isn't mediocre or lazy.

Any one who thinks that is pretty damned biased.
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Full disclosure: I have worked closely with AMD and received both engineering samples from them for testing as well as free hardware (for me to keep). I currently run the GTX 780 I purchased in my primary desktop, and a HD 6970 (gifted to me by AMD) in my secondary desktop. Full log of my exchange with AMD can be found here. Be warned, it's strewn through a fairly massive thread: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1559534&highlight=driver+bug+thread

Now, with that out of the way... The people I personally worked with were not mediocre or lazy, they went above and beyond for me. With that said, it was obvious they were being hamstrung by their management and/or legal department.

There are issues that simply could not be resolved with drivers (things that could only be fixed with a new BIOS or new hardware revision). I even produced modified video BIOS for AMD demonstrating possible work-arounds that would be better than the existing broken behavior. AMD was made well aware that these issues exist, and that some of them are severe enough to warrant a product recall on most of the HD 5000 series of graphics cards. Nothing was done.

When all was said and done, I was sent an HD 6970 (which turned out to have a broken fan :rolleyes: ) as a "thank you." Upgrading from an HD 5000 series card to an HD 6000 series solved some old issues (UVD clocks sticking, which STILL isn't fixed on HD 5000 series cards), caused some new ones (tearing in Eyefinity, which STILL isn't been fixed on HD 6000 series cards). Didn't help anyone else with an HD 5000 series card though...
 
jwcalla said:
So AMD's role is to keep the prices of the market leading competitors in check?

How about actually becoming a market leader instead? I know it takes a lot of hard work to be the best and all... but I'm just not seeing why I, as a consumer, am obligated to support a mediocre and lazy company.
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Wow, keep drinking the koolaid man... One day when you grow up and have a family, mortgage and responsibility of being a parent, you will be well trained about future purchases and the importance of market competition. There will come a point that blowing big wads of cash on 5-10% increase over competitor cards make no sense. You will then figure out, at least in the 3D market , the importance of AMD and any other competitor who brings full value to your purchase.

Fanbois make zero money...
 
Venomous said:
Wow, keep drinking the koolaid man... One day when you grow up and have a family, mortgage and responsibility of being a parent, you will be well trained about future purchases and the importance of market competition. There will come a point that blowing big wads of cash on 5-10% increase over competitor cards make no sense. You will then figure out, at least in the 3D market , the importance of AMD and any other competitor who brings full value to your purchase.

Fanbois make zero money...
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x86 days for AMD are pretty much gone. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever compete with the core architecture from Intel. And I am glad that they've already realized it and instead are focused on APUs / ARM.

But on the GPU side they are very competitive thanks to the former ATI. I shudder to think what would have happened had they not purchased ATI. They would very well have gone out of business. And I somehow wish they had just gone with the ATI brand name.

Most of the time, the average Joe associates AMD's hardware with a poor man's equipment (which is fairly true for their x86 side of business)
 
madgun said:
x86 days for AMD are pretty much gone. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever compete with the core architecture from Intel. And I am glad that they've already realized it and instead are focused on APUs / ARM.

But on the GPU side they are very competitive thanks to the former ATI. I shudder to think what would have happened had they not purchased ATI. They would very well have gone out of business.
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Ever considered that they might not have that issue with their x86 lineup if, instead of blowing a mountain of cash on ATi, they had poured that same mountain of cash into their R&D department to make a competitive CPU architecture?

With ATi, AMD limps along...
Without ATi, might AMD have stayed competitive in the CPU space?
 
Unknown-One said:
Ever considered that they might not have that issue with their x86 lineup if, instead of blowing a mountain of cash on ATi, they had poured that same mountain of cash into their R&D department to make a competitive CPU architecture?

With ATi, AMD limps along...
Without ATi, might AMD have stayed competitive in the CPU space?
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Nope! Intel has always had waaaaaay more money than AMD.
 
Michaelius said:
Last time I checked it wasn't Nvidia who sold me 2 radeon GPUs on false promises that they would work correctly together.
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Well they wouldn't have sold you any Radeon GPUs, however they did sell me 2 8800gt cards that were a nightmare in SLI. There was stuttering(that Nvidia denied even existed), flashing textures and shadows, negative scaling, and a pile of drivers I kept on hand so I could try to find one with a working SLI profile for whatever game I was playing at the time. Nvidia deserves praise for improving multi GPU faster than AMD but the notion that Nvidia hasn't had these sorts of issues is laughable.
 
Venomous said:
. Fact is , without AMD you couldn't afford the prices of what nvidias cards would be priced at, period.
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Yeah if it wasn't for AMD, NVIDIA could release a $1000 video card.

Oh wait, they did.

AMD simply is no longer competition for NVIDIA. Titan proved that.
 
PRIME1 said:
Yeah if it wasn't for AMD, NVIDIA could release a $1000 video card.

Oh wait, they did.

AMD simply is no longer competition for NVIDIA. Titan proved that.
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Why don't you share with us what you have been smoking...
 
PRIME1 said:
Yeah if it wasn't for AMD, NVIDIA could release a $1000 video card.

Oh wait, they did.

AMD simply is no longer competition for NVIDIA. Titan proved that.
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It's like you are becoming a caricature of yourself at this point.
 
Venomous said:
Wow, keep drinking the koolaid man... One day when you grow up and have a family, mortgage and responsibility of being a parent, you will be well trained about future purchases and the importance of market competition. There will come a point that blowing big wads of cash on 5-10% increase over competitor cards make no sense. You will then figure out, at least in the 3D market , the importance of AMD and any other competitor who brings full value to your purchase.

Fanbois make zero money...
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It's odd that you think I blow a bunch of money on nvidia cards or any other GPUs. I generally wait about 2-3+ generations before upgrading anything hardware-related and even then I only get a lower-upper end card and only when it's on sale. E.g., my 570. But for my work I need Linux and NVIDIA gets my money because they've shown up and done the hard work to deliver a product that meets my needs. AMD decided to phone it in on Linux drivers. So yeah, I'm willing to pay a little extra to get a better product.

I have no problem giving my money to somebody who is going to give me something back that is of equivalent value to me.

That's not koolaid... it's just reality.
 
Why even consider yourselves enthusiasts if you whine about pricing??? Few years ago this wasn't even an issue. Now complaining about pricing for top end cards or cpu's is just pathetic.
You're not an enthusiast or early adopter if you can't pay for it.
Get a better job or certification to get a better paying job!
 
Being an enthusiast doesn't mean always paying top dollar for parts or not caring about cost.

Remember overclocking enthusiast stuff was originally about OC'ing Celeron 300A's.

It was always about finding the best bang for the buck in the beginning via modifying hardware and/or taking some level of risk. Throwing money around does neither and its bizarre to me to see people acting like throwing money around makes them enthusiast.

Switching jobs is also pretty damn hard at the moment even if you are legit highly skilled and intelligent or have you not been paying attention to the on-going non-recovery we're having that only seems to create minimum wage jobs while higher earning blue collar jobs are still being outsourced?

Having a credential, certificate, or even a college degree isn't worth what it used to be. The cost to get any of those has sky rocketed over the last few years too so it is anything but trivial to get one of them either. Credentialism can go fuck itself.
 
mesyn191 said:
Being an enthusiast doesn't mean always paying top dollar for parts or not caring about cost.

Remember overclocking enthusiast stuff was originally about OC'ing Celeron 300A's.

It was always about finding the best bang for the buck in the beginning via modifying hardware and/or taking some level of risk. Throwing money around does neither and its bizarre to me to see people acting like throwing money around makes them enthusiast.

Switching jobs is also pretty damn hard at the moment even if you are legit highly skilled and intelligent or have you not been paying attention to the on-going non-recovery we're having that only seems to create minimum wage jobs while higher earning blue collar jobs are still being outsourced?

Having a credential, certificate, or even a college degree isn't worth what it used to be. The cost to get any of those has sky rocketed over the last few years too so it is anything but trivial to get one of them either. Credentialism can go fuck itself.
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Nail on head... What the youngsters forget is we grew up in this game with Overclocking. With that comes the ability to have a monster machine without breaking the budget. It's changed because these guys buy into the overpriced cards. Nvidia being the worst offenders of all with their pricing...

I could easily buy 2 titans if I wanted... The difference I'm not dumb enough to do so...
 
Venomous said:
Nvidia being the worst offenders of all with their pricing...
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AMD would charge more if they could.

Pricing is set by what the market will bear. It has nothing to do with how good-hearted or evil the company is.

It's not an "offense" to set a price according to the fair market value.
 
jwcalla said:
AMD would charge more if they could.

Pricing is set by what the market will bear. It has nothing to do with how good-hearted or evil the company is.

It's not an "offense" to set a price according to the fair market value.
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There's fair market value and then there's nvidia's "rape" the consumer attitude... I can't wait for the day that they are behind so it humbles their attitude.
 
Klapcos said:
Why even consider yourselves enthusiasts if you whine about pricing??? Few years ago this wasn't even an issue. Now complaining about pricing for top end cards or cpu's is just pathetic.
You're not an enthusiast or early adopter if you can't pay for it.
Get a better job or certification to get a better paying job!
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This is flat out fucking stupid, using your fucked up line of thinking no one but millionaires can be car enthusiasts because they are the ones who can afford the most expensive cars.

jwcalla said:
AMD would charge more if they could.

Pricing is set by what the market will bear. It has nothing to do with how good-hearted or evil the company is.

It's not an "offense" to set a price according to the fair market value.
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To the vast majority of people, AMD and NVidias top cards perform identical, so why is it that Nvidia can charge more? Hint: Marketing and fanbois.
 
Venomous said:
There's fair market value and then there's nvidia's "rape" the consumer attitude... I can't wait for the day that they are behind so it humbles their attitude.
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I don't think you understand what the word "rape" means.

Voluntarily clicking over to Amazon and voluntarily putting an NVIDIA GPU into the e-cart and voluntarily handing over your credit card details to be voluntarily charged the stated amount for said product and delivery is not the same thing as "rape".

It's kind of ironic that you accuse others here of needing to "grow up" and learn about how the market works when you seem to have this infantile attitude about how the world owes you a certain service at a price below what others are willing to pay.

darkstarcow said:
To the vast majority of people, AMD and NVidias top cards perform identical, so why is it that Nvidia can charge more? Hint: Marketing and fanbois.
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NVIDIA can charge more because there is more demand for its cards than AMD. That's how the market works. Whether the reason is marketing or a better product or simply that they have more satisfied customers, it's somewhat impertinent to the fact that the pricing is not set based on evil corporate overlords trying to rape people, but rather on what the market can bear.
 
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