Nobody Needs a New TV Anymore

"I don't have cable, and I don't watch enough Netflix movies on my TV to care whether I could be getting a slightly better color balance, or slightly less glare"

Using Netflix and Cable content to judge a TV's quality - bravo.
 
People will upgrade when 4K goes mainstream. Until then, its too much of a hassle to sell (too big/fragile to ship) working older sets and most people have already moved their TVs as they've upgraded to other rooms in the house and are full up.
 
CES better get the message. No one can afford 4k TV's at 55 inches , much less 8k TV's at 85 inches. Far to expensive and no one really wants 4k content except for content creators so they can push a new format upon us.

I love my TV , its almost 6 years old now and running strong 24/7. I'm very unlikely to buy a new one anytime soon.
 
Curved screen TVs are in again? Shit, there's one of those collecting dust in my parents' basement!

But seriously, the screen isn't the problem for most people any more. The problem is that most people have completely shit audio setups... namely no surround sound speakers at all. When I go to someone's house to watch the Super Bowl, inevitably I have to strain to hear anything over people talking during the game, and that's just unfortunate.

They should start bundling half-way decent 5.1 systems with their TVs.
 
Godmachine said:
CES better get the message. No one can afford 4k TV's at 55 inches , much less 8k TV's at 85 inches. Far to expensive and no one really wants 4k content except for content creators so they can push a new format upon us.
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Yeah. Pushing 4K content while 80% of Cable stations are still not even HD (at least in Canada) and DVDs still exist in abundance...
 
Let's not forget about that useless gimmick that was 3D TV. Talk about a fad that died quickly. Why should consumers adopt these trends if there is ZERO guarantee that they will persist in the future. This is not like the invention of technicolor.
 
Ducman69 said:
People will upgrade when 4K goes mainstream. Until then, its too much of a hassle to sell (too big/fragile to ship) working older sets and most people have already moved their TVs as they've upgraded to other rooms in the house and are full up.
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I doubt it. The only reason a lot of people upgraded their old tube TVs to HD TVs was because the format looked like shit on old 3:4 ratios. Since 4K can easily scale down to 1080P, I don't see that many people upgrading until their TVs fail.
 
Skillz said:
I doubt it. The only reason a lot of people upgraded their old tube TVs to HD TVs was because the format looked like shit on old 3:4 ratios. Since 4K can easily scale down to 1080P, I don't see that many people upgrading until their TVs fail.
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Exactly. 4k is a snails pace push , people don't want it or even know it yet. 480i to 1080p was a MASSIVE difference that anyone could tell the difference between. 4k doesn't even begin to show its strengths until you start scaling up the display size. A 55 inch 4k TV and a 1080p 55 inch TV look the same at 8 to 10 feet to most people , so the price difference of $3000-4000 isn't justifiable.

There also is the simple fact that you can't buy a 4k Blu Ray or a player that supports it. Netflix is the only streaming company actively pushing for 4k content and even then it'll be out of reach for most people without superb internet speeds.

When I can buy a 75+ inch TV for under $1000 that isn't some after market piece of shit from a no name vendor I've never even seen before then I'll get on board.

The only place 4k makes a difference is PC use and PC gaming. 4k monitors will become hot for PC usage.
 
Crap, I'm still using my 10 year old 720P 46" Sony DLP. Most content from the cable co is 720P anyways. That little 1080 icon on your set top box... it's just upscaling.

Though I'll probably replace it when the bulb dies this time around. Bulbs are like $150, and screens have progressed enough from the DLP days that it will be worth it to replace this time around.
 
I want 4K. However, I don't want it at current prices or until they've started releasing content on a standard ownable format where I can go buy it at my local store or preferred web retailer.

My current TV is a 2009 Mitsubishi 73" 3D DLP and it's awesome, but I'd like something even a bit larger than that. That said it seems likely I won't be buying another TV as I can't imagine having a larger TV. I'll likely go projector when the time comes.

I'm not convinced 4K is useful at smaller screen sizes as people aren't likely to be close enough to tell a difference. It may be time for some consolidation among TV manufacturers as the HDTV upgrade bubble is over and unlikely to be replicated when 4k comes out.
 
TV is not just a TV but the universal output device for set top box, PC, phone, game console, tablet, Chromecast, etc. The next buy in will be 4K 60Hz OLED when CPU and single GPU are able to drive consistent 60fps at high or ultra.
 
Still rocking a Mitsubishi WD-65Y 65" 1080P rear projection in my living room. For movie watching I much prefer it over the 51" Samsung 8500 plasma in my bedroom. In fact, the picture is just as amazing today as it was when I bought it in 2006.

No need to upgrade here. All those feature can be added for $100 with a Roku3.
 
Godmachine said:
Exactly. 4k is a snails pace push , people don't want it or even know it yet. 480i to 1080p was a MASSIVE difference that anyone could tell the difference between. 4k doesn't even begin to show its strengths until you start scaling up the display size. A 55 inch 4k TV and a 1080p 55 inch TV look the same at 8 to 10 feet to most people , so the price difference of $3000-4000 isn't justifiable.

There also is the simple fact that you can't buy a 4k Blu Ray or a player that supports it. Netflix is the only streaming company actively pushing for 4k content and even then it'll be out of reach for most people without superb internet speeds.

When I can buy a 75+ inch TV for under $1000 that isn't some after market piece of shit from a no name vendor I've never even seen before then I'll get on board.

The only place 4k makes a difference is PC use and PC gaming. 4k monitors will become hot for PC usage.
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Agreed, you need to be sitting unnaturally close to a large screen to be able to see the difference between 1080p and 4k. For the vast majority of applications there simply is no real difference in quality between the two.
 
mi7chy said:
TV is not just a TV but the universal output device for set top box, PC, phone, game console, tablet, Chromecast, etc. The next buy in will be 4K 60Hz OLED when CPU and single GPU are able to drive consistent 60fps at high or ultra.
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It won't be OLED. OLED has had some serious step backs recently. It needs more time to mature before it'll come down in price. I would expect regular LED will still be fueling LCD's for a very long time. Also 4k 60Hz TV's arrive this year as the HDMI 2.0 standard is finalized. So that's already taken care of.

Also how many electronics in your home already stream media? I just counted 15 .. I don't need another item to stream content. I want a high quality TV with an incredible picture that works from day one til it dies of old age. I don't care if it streams whatever as I have devices that do it better. I don't care if it has fancy menus that display the weather , my tweets and Facebook as I have a smartphone and tablet that can do both better. Smart TV's are oxymoron frankly , ever "Smart" TV I've ever used has been a slow frustrating experience.

Now that Panasonic is abandoning plasma TV's entirely we are left with inferior LED TV's that do not achieve the same picture quality until you start dumping $2500+ versus $1000 for a Panasonic ST60.

We are being saddled with tech that isn't ready for prime time and now we are being told to buy a new standard that has no affordable options for the average consumer. CES needs to move on away from its TV and "HD" obsession into more interesting territory.

I remember when CES actually displayed electronics that would not only release the same year but stuff that was actually new and fresh. Now its a TV conference show with Michael Bay storming off the stage because he's a dumb fuck up.
 
I wish there was an edit button. I need to proof read my stuff more frequently .. ugh.
 
hah.. expecting to break sales records year after year... GL with that... ain't nobody got money for that shit
 
I own a 42 inch LG 3D tv, its good enough for me. I already bought into the 3d fad, not buying into the 4k or curved screen fad.
 
dangerouseddy said:
only reason I switched from plasma to an lcd tv was because I didn't have a dark room to watch it in and it was like a mirror :(
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you don't need a dedicated home theater room to watch a plasma...all you need are curtains or blinds on your windows...close them for critical TV viewing...I have a 55" Panasonic plasma (professionally calibrated) and it looks stunning...you do need some sort of light control but the ambient filters on the last few generations have been quite good
 
Sounds like the TV market is changing back to how it was before HD TV. There is no longer the rush of consumers switching over from SD, which created a temporary big market for new TVs. It sucks for the companies that are going to see their sales shrink. It sucks for their workers that will have to find different jobs in the companies can't find other work for them. It's not however surprising.
 
polonyc2 said:
you don't need a dedicated home theater room to watch a plasma...all you need are curtains or blinds on your windows...close them for critical TV viewing...I have a 55" Panasonic plasma (professionally calibrated) and it looks stunning...you do need some sort of light control but the ambient filters on the last few generations have been quite good
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I've got an LG 60" plasma in my living room and the glare can be distracting at certain times of the day even with the blinds closed. There is still brighter light leaking through. I generally don't notice it, but I can see how it would frustrate people who are more picky. Especially people who appreciate how good the TV looks in a dark room.

When I have enough money to splurge I will probably buy quality LCD TV to replace it and move the plasma to the basement family room to replace my older (7+ years) LCD HDTV on which the HDMI ports have stopped working.
 
The article talks about how the must have feature is internet connectivity. Funny that the $50 bluray player I bought to replace my old player has that built-in.
 
I can not stand the glare from glossy screens. Drives me insane.
 
Oh noooes, I still have my 24" Dell computer monitor from 2006 but somehow the industry managed to keep producing new screens. I also don't buy a car every year yet somehow that industry survives as well.
 
Skillz said:
I think Panasonic is about the only company that still makes (made) Plasma TVs. I read a report somewhere that they were getting out of it, not sure when that was supposed to happen.
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This is incorrect.

Samsung still makes Plasma's I know because I just picked up a 2012 High end model for a good price this was a 3k tv in 2012.

PNE648000

I previously had a 2007 model LCD samsung 46 inchs.

I will never go back to LCD/LED after this.

Much better image quality, superior blacks this tv is fairly thin for its size I have it wall mounted. weight is about 75lbs and it doesn't heat up the room, also power consumption is good for a plasma about 182watt average.

Once panasonic is gone samsung will move up from #2 to #1

I
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
Once panasonic is gone samsung will move up from #2 to #1I
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once Panasonic is gone Samsung's plasma quality will also go down or stagnate due to lack of competition...Panasonic's mll (black level) was the best...with Samsung getting the nod in terms of brightness (in terms of plasma)...my guess is that Samsung will also be exiting the plasma business within the next year
 
I never understood upgrading a television. I used a tube TV until about 3 years ago when it went out. Then we bought a 46" Samsung LCD. Looks great! The problem I have is....

There is nothing worth while to watch that justifies upgrading a functional television.
 
Wrong!

I really need a new TV, I just have to justify it to my wife. My 27" Sylvania CRT that I bought from Kijiji is the only TV in the house, and it is starting to look a little small. Sometimes I can't read small text on the screen. Shots that feature SMS messages containing critical plot points are the worst. The subtitles from the Roku Funimation channel are so small that they are illegible.

It would be nice to have some more inputs too. As it is, I'm feeding my Wii and my Roku through the composite jacks of my VCR. My HTPC uses the only composite jacks on the TV proper.

If I get get a new TV, I might start to get this whole HD thing. Maybe I'll even get around to mounting my antenna, since I cut the cord last summer. If only going HD improved the writing and the acting....

Mark
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
This is incorrect.

Samsung still makes Plasma's I know because I just picked up a 2012 High end model for a good price this was a 3k tv in 2012.

PNE648000

I previously had a 2007 model LCD samsung 46 inchs.

I will never go back to LCD/LED after this.

Much better image quality, superior blacks this tv is fairly thin for its size I have it wall mounted. weight is about 75lbs and it doesn't heat up the room, also power consumption is good for a plasma about 182watt average.

Once panasonic is gone samsung will move up from #2 to #1

I
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In comparison, Samsung and LG's Plasmas don't hold a candle to what Panasonic was releasing. With Panasonic gone and LG most likely out the door, Samsung will have no reason to compete anymore.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_...it-from-plasma-will-sour-tv-value-sweet-spot/
 
Fuzzy Logik said:
I never understood upgrading a television. I used a tube TV until about 3 years ago when it went out. Then we bought a 46" Samsung LCD. Looks great! The problem I have is....

There is nothing worth while to watch that justifies upgrading a functional television.
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Hint, differences in opinion may be the reason why some people buy new TV's, because some people enjoy TV/Movies ;)
 
Skillz said:
In comparison, Samsung and LG's Plasmas don't hold a candle to what Panasonic was releasing. With Panasonic gone and LG most likely out the door, Samsung will have no reason to compete anymore.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_...it-from-plasma-will-sour-tv-value-sweet-spot/
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i'm sorry but LG's tv are crap lol don't even mention them in the same sentence as the top 2.

And i've seen all of panasonic's models while I was shopping and yes it has slightly better blacks but the image was far sharper on all the samsung models I looked at and it why I chose it over panasonic. I also found cable output to look sharper on the samsung also. To my eyes I preferred the picture on the samsung models. We will have to wait and see what samsung decides do to with its own line this year.
 
Fuzzy Logik said:
No amount of gains in resolution can fix Michael Bay's inability to make a good movie :D
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Eh, I always enjoy the movies. Those movies are great if you have friends over and aren't realllyyy watching the movie :p
 
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