Another "recommend a tablet" thread

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TeeJayHoward

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I have been telling friends and family that I want a tablet all year. For Christmas, a lot of them bought me Amazon gift cards to put towards it. The only problem is, I haven't done any real research into which one to buy! So, I've got $175 in Amazon money to put towards a tablet, plus whatever money I decide to cough up. What would YOU get, and why?
 
officer921 said:
What size? What OS do you prefer? What are you going to do with it?
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Size? Big enough to watch a movie on without going blind.
OS? Don't care, as long as it can do what I want.
What am I going to do? Movies, web browsing, RDP/SSH, and probably some casual gaming (SNES emulators?). Honestly, I don't know. I've never had a tablet before. I don't know what it COULD do.
 
A quick breakdown of my picks:

Full-size: iPad Air. Not the cheapest, but I'd say it's the best overall big tablet. It has an exceptional design; it doesn't feel like a big tablet, since it's so light and thin. It has one of the fastest overall mobile CPUs, exceptional battery life and the richest tablet app ecosystem. It doesn't have the full desktop OS of a Windows slate, but it's arguably more likely to see daily use simply because of those ergonomics and a stronger app ecosystem. Unfortunately, a lot of the full-size Android tablets on the market are either too quirky (Note 10.1 2014 Edition) or already feel old (Xperia Tablet Z / Nexus 10).

Mid-size: G Pad 8.3, iPad mini Retina or Venue 8 Pro. This is a much tougher call, and it depends on both your OS preferences and what kind of experience you're looking for. The iPad mini arguably has the best hardware and tablet-native ecosystems; it's also the only one you can reliably get with your choice of capacities and cellular data. The G Pad 8.3 is a pretty solid Android device that costs less, and the Venue 8 Pro is theoretically the most capable from a software standpoint. Not many $300 8-inch tablets can run Office or legacy Windows code.

Small tablet: Nexus 7. Really hard to dispute the value of the current Nexus 7. It's reasonably fast, has a great display and has all the advantages of an official Google device (timely, long-term OS upgrades).
 
At this point, I would wait. There are probably going to be many announcements when CES comes around next month.
 
Megalith said:
At this point, I would wait. There are probably going to be many announcements when CES comes around next month.
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I disagree. Most of the big tablets of the next few months are already out, and the ones that are announced around CES may not ship for a while, even from big companies like Samsung and Sony.
 
Aurelius said:
A quick breakdown of my picks:

Full-size: iPad Air. Not the cheapest, but I'd say it's the best overall big tablet.
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I agree that the iPad represents the mainstream gold standard in tablets but it is far from not the cheapest or biggest.

Aurelius said:
Mid-size: G Pad 8.3, iPad mini Retina or Venue 8 Pro. This is a much tougher call, and it depends on both your OS preferences and what kind of experience you're looking for. The iPad mini arguably has the best hardware and tablet-native ecosystems; it's also the only one you can reliably get with your choice of capacities and cellular data. The G Pad 8.3 is a pretty solid Android device that costs less, and the Venue 8 Pro is theoretically the most capable from a software standpoint. Not many $300 8-inch tablets can run Office or legacy Windows code.
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I agree with this assessment overall. These 8" Bay Trail tablets are extremely powerful and flexible devices for their size and price points. And while it is often called legacy Windows code, that still represents some of the complex software there is on a computing device. A little Venue 8 Pro for instance is capable of running things like the latest and greatest versions of Photoshop or Visual Studio. I have Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate running on my Venue 8 Pro and it runs well enough to do practical work on smaller and medium sized projects which for a $250 tablet is pretty much a new thing in the last couple of months. Not that one would run VS for extended periods of time on an 8" display but there are options to use larger displays with a device like the Toshiba Encore have native HDMI out that works well from what I've read.

The tablet market is very diverse and complex and Windows devices do actually offer viable options for many now where they didn't just a few months ago. I'd say that for what most expect from a tablet it's hard to go wrong with an iPad. There are also plenty of good Android devices that offer better price points for a the general consumptive tablet experience. Windows 8 tablets certainly don't have the touch application ecosystems of iOS and Android but they offer some interesting productive capabilities and price points below even Android devices sometimes. Bottom line, you aren't just going to buy one tablet that does it all anymore.
 
I waited for the refresh of the Nexus 10, but after that fell through, I bought an Ipad Air. It's a thing of beauty. Not a fan of the "walled garden", but the device is nearly flawless otherwise. Today, in an effort to get back into the Android ecosystem, I bought a Note 10.1 2014. The above mention of it being "quirky" is spot on. With the specs this thing has, it's very jittery and not smooth at all. Comparing the screen of the Ipad Air to the new Note, the Ipad screen is nicer.

So, even though I consider myself an "Android" guy, I will be returning the Note 10.1 2014 and keeping the Ipad Air. Hopefully 2014 will bring us a truly awesome Android tablet. If I could get an Ipad Air to run Android, I'd be in tablet heaven.
 
iPad Air, Kindle HDX, Nexus 7, Dell Venue Pro 8 or 11 would be my recommendations.
 
Climber said:
iPad Air, Kindle HDX, Nexus 7, Dell Venue Pro 8 or 11 would be my recommendations.
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Good list and covers all of the current major tablet OSes. And it illustrates my point of the incredible diversity of all of these platforms. The iPad has a native tablet app for the Sherwin-Williams color matcher, the HDX the best Kindle reader, the Venues the ability desktop Steam games with a touch layer write and run Android apps.
 
Google has a Behr app for exploring different paint schemes in rooms!
 
Just tried the Behr web site with the room color scheme app on my V8P and it works well with touch. Ironically with the years of Microsoft doing what it could to manipulate and sabotage desktop web browsers, Microsoft seems to be doing a 1440 with touch browsers.
 
Before you buy an iPad you should be aware of this major issue. Best case it's software and correctable but worse case it could be low 1GB DRAM and/or rushed and flawed 64-bit A7.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206?start=570&tstart=0

http://youtu.be/HYxdqHl8Dtw

My recommendation is to start out with the Nexus 7 2013 which meets all your app requirements and Android 4.4.2 is more mature and stable than iOS 7. The 16GB version when on sale for ~$179 fits your budget but I would suggest getting the 32GB for ~$229.

Check out the free VX Connectbot for SSH.

You have a ton of options for movies. Even XBMC can be installed without root while on iOS it requires jailbreak.

Do a search on YouTube for "nexus 7 2013 SNES emulator".

When you're impressed then consider upgrading. For creativity and productivity such as drawing, note taking, etc. check out the precision pen capable Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800 version (not the Exynos) or Note 3 for a daily carry that fits in pants pocket. Or, wait for new product announcements come 2014.

What you can do with a precision pen Note series
http://youtu.be/AZdxRihwVP8
 
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heatlesssun said:
Ironically with the years of Microsoft doing what it could to manipulate and sabotage desktop web browsers, Microsoft seems to be doing a 1440 with touch browsers.
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Four complete turns, ending right back where they started? :D

Keep the opinions coming! I'm learning quite a bit!
 
mi7chy said:
Before you buy an iPad you should be aware of this major issue. Best case it's software and correctable but worse case it could be low 1GB DRAM and/or rushed and flawed 64-bit A7.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206?start=570&tstart=0

http://youtu.be/HYxdqHl8Dtw

*snip*
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Let me be as explicit as I can be:

PLEASE STOP TROLLING THREADS.

Do you really think we can't see your underlying motivations? Your goal is to scare people away from Apple products, real-life experience be damned. Also, it's rather amusing that you both got the Nexus 7's OS wrong (it ships with 4.3, currently runs 4.4) and recommended the Note 10.1 just hours after someone who actually bought the thing said it's a mess.

Given that you've just demonstrated a very loose grip on reality, it's not clear why anyone should trust your recommendations.
 
Climber said:
iPad Air, Kindle HDX, Nexus 7, Dell Venue Pro 8 or 11 would be my recommendations.
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I'm trying to get together a list of pros and cons for each of these. Here's what I've got so far. Please feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake, or add things to my lists!

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DEVICE		PROS					CONS					PRICE
iPad Air	iOS, My existing apps, Build Quality	Price, Stability, Needs Jailbreak	$520
Kindle HDX	Screen, Price				Advertisements (Seriously - WTF)	$230/380
Nexus 7		Screen, Price				Low power?				$245
Dell V8P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		32-bit OS, Dell, Screen			$250
Dell V11P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		Price, 32-bit OS, Dell, Screen		$500

My wife has an iPad Air. I like it, but I've noticed the crashing issue mentioned. My friend has a first-gen Nexus 7. It, too is a nice device. Is the iPad worth the price of two Nexuses, though? I'm not sure.

Keep the comments coming!
 
TeeJayHoward said:
I'm trying to get together a list of pros and cons for each of these. Here's what I've got so far. Please feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake, or add things to my lists!

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DEVICE		PROS					CONS					PRICE
iPad Air	iOS, My existing apps, Build Quality	Price, Stability, Needs Jailbreak	$520
Kindle HDX	Screen, Price				Advertisements (Seriously - WTF)	$230/380
Nexus 7		Screen, Price				Low power?				$245
Dell V8P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		32-bit OS, Dell, Screen			$250
Dell V11P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		Price, 32-bit OS, Dell, Screen		$500

My wife has an iPad Air. I like it, but I've noticed the crashing issue mentioned. My friend has a first-gen Nexus 7. It, too is a nice device. Is the iPad worth the price of two Nexuses, though? I'm not sure.

Keep the comments coming!
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I'm generally in agreement, although a couple of notes:

"Needs jailbreak" isn't necessarily accurate. It really depends on what you want to do and what you're comfortable with. Odds are that you'll be fine with the stock iPad interface.

To me, the Kindle Fire series' real issue is that it makes Apple seem open and competition-friendly. It's not just that you can't (officially) use the Google Play Store; it's that virtually the entire UI is built around the assumption that you're there to use Amazon services. Imagine if the iPad greeted you with a carousel of your iBooks and iTunes media, while downplaying your third-party apps... that's a Kindle Fire.
 
One thing to keep in mind when talking about screen resolution on a Windows 8.1 8" tablet is that there is a tradeoff off between resolution and desktop usability with touch. At 1280x800 at 125% scaling, the desktop can work reasonably well with touch in a lot of scenarios and with certain apps. The higher that scaling has to go with resolution the more quirky things can become on the desktop.

I spent some time comparing web browsing with an iPad Mini Retina display unit in a Best Buy a couple of weeks ago and it was pretty hard for me to see if the difference. I'm sure there are situations where the difference is more pronounced and that some would see it differently. Of course a higher resolution screen would be better but for something that does have the ability to use desktop applications the 1280x800 resolution is good for this size screen. But I imagine we'll see higher resolution 8" 8.1 tablets coming in 2014 just in the need to keep up the in spec war.
 
Aurelius said:
"Needs jailbreak" isn't necessarily accurate. It really depends on what you want to do and what you're comfortable with.
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XBMC is the reason I would jailbreak the tablet. It looks like it needs it in order to work.

Great to hear about the HDX. Had I bought one and experienced that, I'd be quite upset. I think I'll remove it from my list - The Nexus 7 looks to do all the same things as the Fire HDX, at the same price point, without the advertising.
 
I've had my Ipad Air since launch, and never had any stability issues. Quite the opposite really. If you want to see stability issues, grab the Note 10.1 2014 edition....

There are a lot of little tweaks, like turning off "parralax" and Airdrop, that seem to fix most problems.
 
Performance of N7 2013 in actual use and not running useless synthetic benchmarks is between Note 3 and iPad Air. With Kit Kat OS update it's very snappy like going from Windows 7 to Windows 8.1. Furthermore, it has no issue browsing/scrolling sites like the full theverge.com site whereas on the iPad Air if you casually scroll up and down the same full site the horizontal edge of the top black/multicolored block has that wavy flag effect probably because the GPU can't keep up with the resolution. With that said I don't think you have to worry about the "low power" with N7 2013.

On the other hand, what can be added to the con list for iPad Air are:

- No GPS. If you're going on a trip with other guests in the car and you need them to help navigate or locate a point of interest via WIFI tether but you don't want to hand over your critical personal/work phone the iPad Air WIFI is useless because it doesn't have built-in GPS.
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- Limited task switching and higher risk of loss of work due to apps and browser tabs closing in the background from low 1GB DRAM. Sometimes we have to reference multiple sites with the browser, entering data on one site/tab while referencing another site/tab and use email, maps, RDP, SSH, etc. With such low 1GB DRAM that's usually found in low end devices you'll often run into apps and tabs closing in the background along with whatever you were working on when switching between them.

Here's an easy test to see what I'm referring to.

1. Close all apps through task switcher.

2. Open up this full site in Safari and scroll down to the bottom of the comments.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/23/5234574/apple-mac-pro-review-2013

3. Open up Apple Maps and go to a point of interest.

4. Switch back to Safari and confirm the previous tab didn't reload. If it has you could've lost your comment you were in the middle of typing or lost your place within the list. If it hasn't reloaded open another tab to the same link and scroll to the bottom of the comments.

5. Switch back to Apple Maps and confirm it hasn't reloaded losing your point of interest.

6. Repeat until you find the breaking point.

On the iPad Mini 1st gen all it took was one tab, switch to Apple Maps then switch back to tab for it to reload. Determine if the breaking point will impact your normal use. On the 2GB N7 2013 and especially 3GB Note series I fell asleep opening so many.

Another thing to be concerned about is if you plan to WIFI tether the tablet to your phone and your plan has a data cap. Every reload is money trickling out of your pocket for data overages.

I see you mentioned SSH and RDP so uptime is probably important to you. Here's the benefit of Android's Linux based stability but I miss seeing the cool bootup animation.

Nexus 7 2013 uptime (after rebooting from last OS update)
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Note 3 uptime
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Note 2 uptime
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If I had to buy a new tablet now (assuming my 2012 Nexus 7 died) i would likely get the Dell Venue 8 Pro, or maybe the Lenovo Miix 8 Windows 8.1 tablet.

While I like my Nexus 7 I only use for reading, the occasional movie, and a couple of games from time to time. Not too much in the way of productivity. But it suffices for now.

The 8" Windows 8 tablets runs the full version of that OS. Generally speaking, that means any program I install on my PC / laptop I can also install on the tablet. The free MS Office Students program is a nice bonus since I can review speadsheets and documents and presentation when I am not at home or in the office. The active digitizer is nice too since it's better for taking notes than a capacitive screen/stylus.

The obvious limitation are the 32-bit OS and the 2GB of RAM. There should really be a minimum of 4GB. Getting up to 8GB would be nice, but not as important as having 4GB of RAM. I would like to see 128GB of internal storage, but so far the max is 64GB. I wonder how long for tablets to break that barrier.

Obviously, a more powerful CPU would be preferred. Bay Trail was a significant step up form Clover Trail, but I would like to see what Cherry Trail, but more importantly Willows trail will bring to the tablet when they are ready to be released.
 
Good point. Windows x86 tablet is becoming a strong contender if you need software compatibility, can deal with the baggage and when it hits the sweet spot of low cost, 4GB DRAM, having sufficient performance to deliver a good experience, include GPS and cameras. Android is the sweet spot now but I may consider picking up a Windows x86 tablet the next generation. Right now it's a pass because you're buying into obsolescence with the non-upgradable 2GB DRAM like the iPads/iPhones with 1GB.
 
1gb of memory definitely hurts the Air. But there's just no other 10" tablet close to the quality or speed. I wish there was....
 
TeeJayHoward said:
I'm trying to get together a list of pros and cons for each of these. Here's what I've got so far. Please feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake, or add things to my lists!

Code: 
DEVICE		PROS					CONS					PRICE
iPad Air	iOS, My existing apps, Build Quality	Price, Stability, Needs Jailbreak	$520
Kindle HDX	Screen, Price				Advertisements (Seriously - WTF)	$230/380
Nexus 7		Screen, Price				Low power?				$245
Dell V8P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		32-bit OS, Dell, Screen			$250
Dell V11P	Windows 8.1, My existing apps		Price, 32-bit OS, Dell, Screen		$500

My wife has an iPad Air. I like it, but I've noticed the crashing issue mentioned. My friend has a first-gen Nexus 7. It, too is a nice device. Is the iPad worth the price of two Nexuses, though? I'm not sure.

Keep the comments coming!
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The iPad air is a great little tablet. I bought one for my sister for her graduation present and it is great for her school and art work. She is an art and psychology major and does art therapy and loves it. It is also a great media consumption device and if you have the apple ecosystem in your house already it will be a perfect fit. Oh and as far as I know she hasn't run into any crashing with it.

I've been involved with Amazon from day 1 and I love the Kindle Fire products. My wife has the new HDX and yes I bought her the one with advertisements but they are only on the lock screen. You just swipe like you normally would to open it and away it goes never to be seen again until you lock it. Personally I like the screen on the HDX best of the 4.

The Dell 8 and 11 Venues are both fantastic machines. The resolution on the 8 isn't bad at all and my wife can't tell a difference between any of the tablets, but for me there is a difference but not enough to cross the Venue 8 off the list. The Dell's are more office oriented rather than media oriented; however, with that said both of the Dell's can do much more than just apps, and if needed bluestacks runs ok on both so now you can have access to your amazon and google play apps. It works as well with ios apps but how well I don't know.

Between the 8 and the 11 you really need to ask yourself how portable do you want. The 8 fits in my jacket pocket as well as the side pocket on my cargo pants. The 11 I take to the office with me in a messenger bag and it is considerably lighter and more portable than my 15" lenovo y580 and does everything the lenovo can. I'm not above playing games from time to time when the office is dead or waiting for court to resume session and while the lenovo offers more horsepower I can still access and play a wide variety of my steam games, currently PoE, Fallout 2, X-Com, and Wasteland 2 on both the 8 and 11. Between the 2 the 8 is considerably more portable while the 11 with the dock is an excellent laptop replacement. If it matters to you the 8 is 16.10 ratio while the 11 is 16.9 so for reading the 8 is probably the better of the 2.

JaguarSKX said:
If I had to buy a new tablet now (assuming my 2012 Nexus 7 died) i would likely get the Dell Venue 8 Pro, or maybe the Lenovo Miix 8 Windows 8.1 tablet.
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I would go this route as well, especially the Dell if you need a stylus. Although if you can wait I hear Asus is coming out with a rival tablet to the Venue 8 Pro that has a Wacom digitizer.

While I like my Nexus 7 I only use for reading, the occasional movie, and a couple of games from time to time. Not too much in the way of productivity. But it suffices for now.
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This sums me and my wife's Kindle usage.

The obvious limitation are the 32-bit OS and the 2GB of RAM. There should really be a minimum of 4GB. Getting up to 8GB would be nice, but not as important as having 4GB of RAM. I would like to see 128GB of internal storage, but so far the max is 64GB. I wonder how long for tablets to break that barrier.
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Neither of these are deal breakers IMO. The 32 bit OS you probably won't notice and the 2GB of memory is sufficient for a heavy amount of multi-tasking. With the Dells you can upgrade the storage with a MicroSD, SDHC, or SDXC card.

Obviously, a more powerful CPU would be preferred. Bay Trail was a significant step up form Clover Trail, but I would like to see what Cherry Trail, but more importantly Willows trail will bring to the tablet when they are ready to be released.
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While nice, each year always brings something better. With CES just a week or 2 away it may be worthwhile waiting but again, much of what is announced will be a couple months out at the earliest more than likely.

If you want my opinion I would grab one of the 8" bay trail devices like the Dell Venus Pro, Asus T100, or the Lenovo Miix. If you're already tied into the Apple Eco system and you don't need the full Windows experience than the Air would be my recommendation.
 
officer921 said:
1gb of memory definitely hurts the Air. But there's just no other 10" tablet close to the quality or speed. I wish there was....
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Not really true, but I can understand if you are set on the Apple ecosystem. I do like the Air but returned it after using it for a few hours. I give up too much functionality compared to my Nexus 10.
 
jimh425 said:
Not really true, but I can understand if you are set on the Apple ecosystem. I do like the Air but returned it after using it for a few hours. I give up too much functionality compared to my Nexus 10.
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Read my previous posts. I don't like the Apple ecosystem in the least, but there aren't many alternatives. I'd love if there was an Android based equivalent to the Ipad Air, but there's not.

I know, since I've bought and returned pretty much every 10" Android tablet currently available. And then compared said tablets side-by-side to the Ipad Air. No comparison.

The Nexus 10 is aging and ugly as hell. Also feels cheap and has a HUGE bezel.

The Note 10.1 2014 is laggy and full of bloatware. Even flashing it to a custom ROM doesn't fix all it's issues.

The Nexus 7 is a thing of beauty, and I have one, but I want a 10" tablet.

Xperia Z is decent, but also aging and not nearly the build quality of the Ipad Air. Horrible speakers.

Galaxy Tab 3 - See Galaxy 10.1 above

And there's a slew of cheap knockoffs I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. There's one king of the 10" tablets now, and unfortunately it's the Ipad Air. I'm hoping we will see either a new Nexus 10" or something more optimized in a 10" from Samsung.
 
Climber said:
Neither of these are deal breakers IMO. The 32 bit OS you probably won't notice and the 2GB of memory is sufficient for a heavy amount of multi-tasking. With the Dells you can upgrade the storage with a MicroSD, SDHC, or SDXC card.
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It's easy to get caught up in specs but real world performance is people care about. These 8" Bay Trail tablets I would suspect are a good deal faster than a lot of aging PCs out there. If one uses their older PC for running Office or business apps primarily a hybrid or even a tablet connected to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse could actually end up being something of an upgrade.

For this round it was paramount for Microsoft and the OEMs to get the prices of entry level Windows tablets into the iOS and Android range. The hardware will get better and with the arrival of 64 bit Bay Trails I would imagine there will be more options and a wider variety of devices and price points for those wanting and willing to pay a bit more. But it is a bit amazing that these 8" 8.1 tablets are under the price of a baseline non-retina iPad Mini and even some Android devices.
 
So what is something that's equivalent or better than the Ipad Air?

Also, I tried the little experiment with the browser and maps using all the Ipad Air memory up and restarting apps. Super fucking annoying and makes me want to sell my Air even more now...
 
As a customer you should voice your displeasure to Apple so that they can release a product that fits _your_ need and not force their need on you which is cutting corners like $10 on a 2nd GB of DRAM to increase their profit margin. I predict it'll be like iPad 3 -> iPad 4 and you'll be able to buy a refreshed iPad Air 2014 with 2GB DRAM in a few months.

How many iterations before triggering the breaking point?
 
I now have an iThingie. Thanks to all who helped in my decision! The final choice was made after using several devices back-to-back and comparing the experience.
 
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I have a Nexus 7 (2013) and if you are looking at this be aware that the touchscreen issues are very widespread and are very real.
Do searches on it and you will see the vast amount of people dealing with this problem. It sucks and neither Google or ASUS are going to fix it.
 
I picked up an Asus T100 from BB for $300 (32GB) and couldn't be happier.
Have decided to sell my Asus TF700 Infinity tablet and Acer Aspire One netbook as it replaces both!

I'm a big Android fanboy, switch ROMs on my GS4 all the time, have had multiple tablets but they always left something to be desired. I think 10" is perfect, full Windows 8.1 experience can't be beat (had never used 8.1, coming from 7 but it's really grown on me), tablet plus keyboard dock included, and love full flash HD decoding.
 
Dell venue 8 pro is hard to beat as a tablet.... more and more apps that were only iOS or android are being ported or developed for W8 and since it is x86 it can run old apps as well..

when touch office is released then the game is over IMO
 
Adidas4275 said:
Dell venue 8 pro is hard to beat as a tablet.... more and more apps that were only iOS or android are being ported or developed for W8 and since it is x86 it can run old apps as well..

when touch office is released then the game is over IMO
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Windows 8 is SOOOOOO bad though. I played with a bunch of Windows 8 tablets at Best Buy. Horrible. Within minutes I wanted to throw them across the store. Almost as bad as the desktop iteration. Why does it have to be so busy and hard to navigate compared to Android and IOS?
 
Just curious, what did you find bad about Win8 on a tablet? Outside of the bad press of Win8, I find it extremely intuitive on my SP2.

I "get it" now and think it's very, very slick. Been using iPads for a while and outside of getting over some old navigation habits with the iPad, I find Win8 to make a lot of sense and is simple to use - I much prefer it over iOS.
 
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