Experiment Shows Plants Don't Grow Near Wi-Fi Routers

schoenda said:
Router - check, wireless charger - check, call phone - check, myriad other em sources - check:

In a few generations we will be immune to these things...because those who are not will die and/or fail to procreate. That's progress.
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Seems like that's how things are going to work out but in this..




Quix said:
I'll give you a clue, if a description of something claims specifically not to be a conspiracy theory. IT'S DEFINITELY A CONSPIRACY THEORY. If they had any solid evidence Wi-Fi would be and illegal as those tiny magnetic balls that a few under-supervised children ate and became ill from.
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Yes, Sir just put your mind in cruise control since the word conspiracy is mentioned no critical thinking required now!
 
Conker said:
I've been avoiding cell phone and wifi radiation ever since the first studies started to come out. Everyone thought it was bogus and all that. Now its unanimous that all this electromagnetic radiation is causing some damage. Glad i reduced my exposure early on. Just use wired as much as you can and don't leave the cell phone on your body on while your out. Look at all the people that died like Steve Jobs and the rest. They got cancer in areas of the body where cell phone was attached or around. I know relatives that have died from cell phone use. Belt holder for cell phone around the waist, they got pancreatic cancer and skin cancer around the same area. This was two people. I know a boss at my work got brain tumors multiple times in the same area while using the cell phone excessively. Nothing is a coincidence. I remember one time the cell phone radiation zapped me when it received a signal one time. Lost my sense of stability for a sec. That was a wireless transmission. The phone was on the table. Just gotta watch out.
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Not sure if joking, but if you are not, get a clue. Wireless is not ionizing radiation, therefore, the risk of biological damage is next to non-existent. Sure, there is nothing that is non zero, but the risk of radio waves killing you is so minute it's next to nonexistent.

We'll kill each other through damage to the environment, not WiFi routers. Or a nice contagious disease, which is mother natures big "fuck you" to things that muck around with the natural order too much. ;)
 
go to a remote spot, it's different. the absence of extraneous wavelengths is just lovely.
 
I heard of this before, it is kinda worrysome, but it would be interesting to try different distances, and also an external antenna, as the heat produced by the radio may also have an effect on the plant growth, and not the radiation.

It does make me wonder though if all these various radio waves out there are a contributing factor to cancer. I would like to hope that enough studies have been made to prove otherwise, though.
 
I can't believe how much discussion in this thread is about the bullshit article, and not about how naturalnews.com is a fucking massive shill for homeopathy and vaccines causing autism, among other things

tl;dr naturalnews.com is a steaming pile of science fraud
 
I guess the best bet is to try this experiment for ourselves and see what happens. I'm sure most people are going with the assumption that it's not a total lie or totally rigged, but it could very well be that was the case.
 
Two things: naturalnews.com is about as far from a credible source as bacon is from being a battlemech.

Second, and this is important, microwave radiation and radio waves are virtually harmless, unless you happen to stand directly in front of a high powered radar array and get yourself cooked. It cannot and does not cause any ill effect, least of all cancer. If you are confused on the subject do a bit of research. The photons of the scary radiation carry far more energy than the relatively weak photons of microwaves. There is a huge difference between far ultraviolet which can rip holes in molecules, like DNA, and microwaves, which at best, concentrated, and at high power levels, can only cause localized heating.
 
Decibel said:
Second, and this is important, microwave radiation and radio waves are virtually harmless, unless you happen to stand directly in front of a high powered radar array and get yourself cooked. It cannot and does not cause any ill effect, least of all cancer. If you are confused on the subject do a bit of research. The photons of the scary radiation carry far more energy than the relatively weak photons of microwaves. There is a huge difference between far ultraviolet which can rip holes in molecules, like DNA, and microwaves, which at best, concentrated, and at high power levels, can only cause localized heating.
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It's not far fetched to believe that micro and radio waves could cause harm when there are peer reviewed articles showing that it affects biological matter in various ways...

http://wifiinschools.org.uk/30.html

Many of those articles are very fundamental in nature and hard to draw any conclusion from, but some of them are certainly of some concern and most are peer reviewed articles.
 
This was from 7 months ago and wasn't any more credible then. There are few things I want from 14 year old girls, and scientific advice is certainly one of them.
 
Red Squirrel said:
I heard of this before, it is kinda worrysome, but it would be interesting to try different distances, and also an external antenna, as the heat produced by the radio may also have an effect on the plant growth, and not the radiation.

It does make me wonder though if all these various radio waves out there are a contributing factor to cancer. I would like to hope that enough studies have been made to prove otherwise, though.
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If eating the wrong food increases your chance of contracting cancer, then imagine what all the other stuff that you take for granted is doing to you. I asked my grandfather who was born in the late 1800's about cancer rates when he was young. He said hardly anyone got it, and if someone had the disease it was a huge deal for the entire community. Everyone was astonished and visited the person to see what cancer was.

Fast forward to my family one generation older than me. Every last one of them has had cancer. Most of their friends have contracted some form of it. Did some bad blood enter our family suddenly where we went from 0 cases to everyone? Or did our environmental living conditions change when we graduated from rural farming, to pesticides like DDT, to living in metropolitan cities.

So yes environment has something to do with it in my opinion. But it's just a guess and not scientific evidence of course.
 
So when are we getting the latest reports on Niburu? Now that [H] is reporting whacky news? First I saw Daily Mail articles... now we have science denial? What next? Reports of Yeti sightings? That website is just full of whack-job theories.

First thing that made me laugh was their jump from mobile phones to WiFi as "the same thing". And then laughed even more when I saw the claim of a "radiation free room". Which tells me it is the lack of sunlight that killed these plants. That evil sun with all of its nasty radiation being sent to this planet. :rolleyes:

It is getting a little scary at the average dumbness of some people on this planet. And their fear of science. Instead they rely on Google Searches to do their "research" instead of going to ask a physicist how things really work. What happened to education?


On a slight side tangent... for those of you with friends who believe this kind of stuff. Or are daft enough to be scared of Fukishma - here is a rather nice little comparrison chart of scales of radiation from XKCD: http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/
 
cageymaru said:
If eating the wrong food increases your chance of contracting cancer, then imagine what all the other stuff that you take for granted is doing to you. I asked my grandfather who was born in the late 1800's about cancer rates when he was young. He said hardly anyone got it, and if someone had the disease it was a huge deal for the entire community. Everyone was astonished and visited the person to see what cancer was.

Fast forward to my family one generation older than me. Every last one of them has had cancer. Most of their friends have contracted some form of it. Did some bad blood enter our family suddenly where we went from 0 cases to everyone? Or did our environmental living conditions change when we graduated from rural farming, to pesticides like DDT, to living in metropolitan cities.

So yes environment has something to do with it in my opinion. But it's just a guess and not scientific evidence of course.
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It could also be all of the processed foods they eat with thousands of chemicals as opposed to wifi or microwaves.
 
tazeat said:
Peer review? Sample size? Attempts to remove any other variables to the equation? BS?
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Exactly this 'study' has popped in and out of viral news reports and it's been called out as hoax many times.
 
put phone under bed, or on floor, or in airplane mode before going to sleep crew checking in.

not a single tumor was given
 
Personally I'm surprised how much people on this forum are willing to jump to defend their tech without actually posting any links to articles that back what they are saying. My first thought was "oh, well that's a very useless study, but it would be interesting to see an actual scientific study of the same thing"
Instead they rely on Google Searches to do their "research" instead of going to ask a physicist how things really work. What happened to education?
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And what physicist are they going to ask? What qualifications does that physicist have? What bias? Who is funding them? Are they even in the same field as the question you are asking them?

Tell me, who was the physicist who told you it was safe? Can you tell me where they got their information? Can you link me to the papers which conclusively proved it was safe?

People should be critical of what we are told is safe or not safe. Asbestos is the perfect example of something that was widely used and it was years before it was found it MIGHT be unsafe and many more years before confirmed cases of health problems.

I don't have a fear of science... but I do question how much "science" actually goes in to a lot of decisions that are made and how much "science" actually goes in to a lot of the common scientific conclusions that are made by the general public. There's a lot of things where people will tell you science says something but you could ask them "what science" and they wouldn't be able to tell you because they have no idea what experiment or what mathematics leads to what hypothesis leads to what conclusion leads to the general public believing something (if you're lucky enough that the chain even exists).

here is a rather nice little comparrison chart of scales of radiation from XKCD: http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/
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You call other people daft but after claiming you shouldn't believe a google search and instead should go ask a physicist, you post a picture from XKCD, did you even read the bottom of that image?

"I'm sure I've added in lots of mistakes; it's for general education only. If you're basing radiation safety procedures on an internet PNG image and things go wrong, you have no one to blame but yourself"

"keep in mind that I am not a radiation expert, and this chart is intended for general public informational use only."
 
Decibel said:
Two things: naturalnews.com is about as far from a credible source as bacon is from being a battlemech.

Second, and this is important, microwave radiation and radio waves are virtually harmless, unless you happen to stand directly in front of a high powered radar array and get yourself cooked. It cannot and does not cause any ill effect, least of all cancer. If you are confused on the subject do a bit of research. The photons of the scary radiation carry far more energy than the relatively weak photons of microwaves. There is a huge difference between far ultraviolet which can rip holes in molecules, like DNA, and microwaves, which at best, concentrated, and at high power levels, can only cause localized heating.
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But but, Fox news told me they were credible! And no one is more credible than Fox, right? :rolleyes:
 
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/101/24/1721.abstract

A 30 year study that tracked roughly 16 million people in Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden, using data between 1974-2003, found no evidence that the increased cell phone usage during that time led to higher brain tumor rates.

That being said they were looking at the 5-10 year range for cancer to develop and mentioned a few caveats that might have affected their finding:

  • the period needed for cell phones to cause brain tumours was longer than the period studied
  • the increased risk in this population is too small to be observed
  • the increased risk is restricted to just certain cell phone users
  • or there is no increased risk at all
 
Come on the real story here is they discovered a way to amplify power from a router running on a ~8 watt power supply into an omnidirectional death ray! Maybe it's a cold fusion router?
 
Man guys, the study was done by a bunch of freshmen in high school. How is this even a credible source?
 
This is actually really interesting. I was trying to get seeds to sprout very recently:

I wrapped ghost pepper seeds in damp paper towels and set them on the shelf not an inch away from my wifi router. They germinated and, aside from those that didn't release the hull of the seed properly and weren't eaten by my dog, are growing fine. Quite well, actually.

They're still in their tiny-state right now, so we'll see once I transfer them in to pots.
 
cageymaru said:
If eating the wrong food increases your chance of contracting cancer, then imagine what all the other stuff that you take for granted is doing to you. I asked my grandfather who was born in the late 1800's about cancer rates when he was young. He said hardly anyone got it, and if someone had the disease it was a huge deal for the entire community. Everyone was astonished and visited the person to see what cancer was.

Fast forward to my family one generation older than me. Every last one of them has had cancer. Most of their friends have contracted some form of it. Did some bad blood enter our family suddenly where we went from 0 cases to everyone? Or did our environmental living conditions change when we graduated from rural farming, to pesticides like DDT, to living in metropolitan cities.

So yes environment has something to do with it in my opinion. But it's just a guess and not scientific evidence of course.
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Wonder what's happened to the environment?

Watch "A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and_radioactive_incidents

The Fishheads of the world have fucked up the environment for decades, and have no plans of stopping.
 
Look, Cell Phones do give off radiation. The issue is this: If you have it on you 24/7, is the amount of radiation "significant" over time?
 
Too many holes in the story.

Was their wifi encrypted or open? If it was encrypted, did they use WEP, WPA or WPA2? These things are important, because I bet they left the router open and the plants in the "connected" group got hacked. That's probably why they died...
 
gamerk2 said:
Look, Cell Phones do give off non-ionizing radiation. The issue is this: If you have it on you 24/7, is the amount of non-ionizing radiation "significant" over time?
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Fixed. When referencing "radiation" it's important to note what type it is :)
 
Lith1um said:
Wonder what's happened to the environment?

Watch "A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and_radioactive_incidents

The Fishheads of the world have fucked up the environment for decades, and have no plans of stopping.
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Exactly, they want everyone to worry about climate change when shit like Fukushima is doing more damage to the environment than any other man made disaster, ever. But don't worry, we can trust Japan and Tepco....
 
King Icewind said:
Whenever the microwave is on at work all wireless connectivity stops until the microwave is does. So, I counter your radiation with radiation.
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Wow. Maybe you're the only one here who noticed that microwaves that cook our foot are the same frequency area that wifi is. We've bathed in microwaves all the time. The only difference is, how often. Sounds like the kids' plants were close enough to be irradiated 24/7, which disturbed the whatever growth cycle the plants were in.

On a related story, I've noticed that nurses in intensive care units where multiple portable xrays are done every morning seem to have higher cancer rates than their peers. And less than 10 years ago, when lots of OSHA safety regulations were being revised (to save money) they stopped monitoring how much radiation was being released in healthcare areas. But for some reason, the xray technicians still have to wear dosimeters. It's just the patients, other workers and the public that doesn't get to know what they're exposed to.

Radiation; coming to a room near you!
 
It's hard to admit that something we've been using for the last ten years might be harmful to us and people who don't want to think about it are ready to do anything they can to make themselves feel better including attacking the source and dismissing that it might be possible. It's like any other addiction where addicts will deny even considering something will be harmful or accuse something else of being worse to make the world okay in their heads. Its like a person who smokes accusing factory emissions as being bad to distract from the fact that they're addicted to smoking.
 
HardUp4HardWare said:
Exactly, they want everyone to worry about climate change when shit like Fukushima is doing more damage to the environment than any other man made disaster, ever. But don't worry, we can trust Japan and Tepco....
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You mentioned Japan and Tepco, but forgot to mention the Yakuza.


Watch "Atomic Mafia? Yakuza cleans up Fukushima, neglects basic workers' rights,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHMrH3ahCs8
 
Lith1um said:
You mentioned Japan and Tepco, but forgot to mention the Yakuza.


Watch "Atomic Mafia? Yakuza cleans up Fukushima, neglects basic workers' rights,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHMrH3ahCs8
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I purposely left that out because I wanted to avoid the reach conclusion.
If people can't see the basic issue and what is horribly wrong with it they will never consider the Japanese Mafia part.

It should be enough that this will never be over and will never be cleaned up. But we get the joy of seeing cancer rates go up and up and up. But most people will block their ears and choose to foolishly hope that cancer treatments will be so much better soon it wont matter. WRONG.
Science is not going to save us.
 
King Icewind said:
Whenever the microwave is on at work all wireless connectivity stops until the microwave is does. So, I counter your radiation with radiation.
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The top of the microwave is not the best place to put your router :)

Actually you need to get a different microwave (it's way too noisy if it completely shuts down wireless) or you could just switch your wireless to the 5 Ghz band since microwaves are 2.4 Ghz.
 
cageymaru said:
If eating the wrong food increases your chance of contracting cancer, then imagine what all the other stuff that you take for granted is doing to you. I asked my grandfather who was born in the late 1800's about cancer rates when he was young. He said hardly anyone got it, and if someone had the disease it was a huge deal for the entire community. Everyone was astonished and visited the person to see what cancer was.

Fast forward to my family one generation older than me. Every last one of them has had cancer. Most of their friends have contracted some form of it. Did some bad blood enter our family suddenly where we went from 0 cases to everyone? Or did our environmental living conditions change when we graduated from rural farming, to pesticides like DDT, to living in metropolitan cities.
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Two big differences.
People are living alot longer (few people get cancer before thier 40's), and they didn't have the ability to diagnose most cancers a 100 years ago. Most of the people who died of cancer back then had the cause of death listed as "old age" or "wasting disease"
 
PCunicorn said:
Probably 2 11 year old routers with no sheilding :p And who has 2 routers in the same room?
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Yep. Similar "experiments" have made news before, seems to pop up every now and then, like good urban legends do. I read all the science sites (like Science Daily), subscribe to numerous feeds as well as PopSci/Discovery paper magazines, and basically live in the tech field 12 hours a day, so it's not something I'm going to miss.
 
I quoted the wrong person somehow, meant to quote the "isn't this old and fake?" post. Rest is good. :p
 
Steve said:
Don't let experiments like this scare you, I'm sure that wireless router sitting two feet away from you isn't causing you any harm. :eek:
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Love how all these fringe sites (right left, pro environment, anti-environment) come up with these poorly implemented experiments and say the conclusion is persuasive or irrefutable. If I flip a coin 100 times and it comes up heads 75 times, that doesn't mean head is likely to come up 3x as often as tails. And if I do it twice and get similar results, with different quarters, it's suddenly interesting, but the only thing that's irrefutable is that in that (those) experiments, heads came up 3x more than tails.

Repeat it 100 more times and see what happens (probably need to randomize the quarters too (but keep if you find one htat comes up heads 3:1, keep it, you can win some money ;) )
 
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