Advice wanted: Help me find the right fingertip grip gaming mouse

I know this is an old(er) thread, but I'm also a fingertip mouse user. I picked up this style when I started using a Creative Fata1ity 2020. When that one died (and it's replacement - they weren't very reliable), I switched to a G9x. I gave up my G9x after it started emitting a high-pitched whine. Very sad. I loved that mouse.

After a lot of searching, I picked up a R.A.T. 7 and took my time getting it set up. I went with thumb rotated in, rubber grips on both pinkie side and top, with the top pushed all the way forward. I'm also using one of the weights in order to match my heavy(ish) G9x feel. I tend to prefer heavy mice with high sensitivity on a low-friction surface. Basically I want my muscles to have to move the mouse, but only a few centimeters in any direction (2cm to cover a 28" monitor), and I don't want to fight sticktion of any kind. I'm currently using a Razer Sphex surface (which I adore). If you have a desk that can support it, I highly recommend the Sphex surface.

As for the RAT7, it's the best mouse I've ever owned. No question.
 
I have long hands and fingers, then I used to be a finger tip mouse gamer.
However, I recently picked up the Steelseries Rival, it's quite big mouse for finger tip.

What I want to say is that you shouldn't stay on your position regarding your hand positioning on a mouse. That's not difficult to switch from finger tip to claw. Because of the Rival, I don't consider myself as a claw or fingertip gamer, because I mixed the positions, and it's far more easy to play.

There are tons of great mouse on the market (Mionix, Steelseries, Roccat), I'd say you shouldn't give a crap about how the manufacturer tries to sell you his mouse regarding your hand. Just buy the one that appeals you, and then learn to play with it.
 
Just a headsup I finally picked up a Zowie FK to try and see if it's a potential MX518 replacement.

First impressions, not sure this will end up being used, the shape doesn't work that well for me, the MX518 feels so much comfortable when quickly switching around. Why? Because of the MX's nice round shape. The FK to me feels a bit too "pointy" at the back and the peaking point feels like it's slightly too far back (I seem to prefer it having pretty centered instead of slightly towards the back) and it seems to be slightly too flat from ideal for me. I actually get tired hand after a little while of use with the Zowie but it seems to be a common thing with almost any "claw/fingertip optimized" mice I try, it just seems like the MX-shape IS THE one for me that I can comfortable use the whole day with zero issues. It seems to support my grip/hand better causing much less stress on my hand.

The movement felt slightly unfamiliar to me too, but that may be a having to get used to-issue. I'm actually the weirdo that prefers 400 dpi + 125Hz + mouse acceleration enabled. YES, you read right (I rely on "muscle memory" knowing how hard I have to "flick" to get how much of a turn/movement). With any other DPI setting, polling rate, the mouse acceleration becomes unbearable but with 400 dpi / 125Hz polling rate, the movement feels just right for me.

Third, would be the mousewheel that feels a bit TOO stiff.

Guess there's no other options for me than G400. Even so I'd prefer the old small feet that first version of MX518 used and I've been using that version as it glides slightly better on my cloth pad (the updated MX518 felt slightly heavier + like having slightly more friction with the bigger teflon feet and I didn't like that) but the G400 seems to be a few grams lighter than MX518 so that compensates a bit.

At least I learn something new with every mouse I try. Weight is slightly too low I'd say at 85g only, the MX518 seems to be 107g, the ideal weight for me is probably ~95g.

Don't think it it exists any option that would be perfect for me. Looking for something like supports the lowspec 400 dpi/125Hz, ~95g in weight, pretty round backside with the peak height of the mouse centered, medium/pretty small sized, at 123~124mm length, a few millimeters taller than typical "claw" gripping mice. Two side-buttons (4 isn't necessary as they probably won't ever be used due to the awkward positioning). Or well easier said, a slightly shorter & lighter MX518/G400 with the same sensor as Zowie FK for example.
 
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Yeah it takes about a week to get used to a new mouse. You'll know you were used to it, if you go back to an older mouse and it feels 'wrong' for a bit.

I've been through like a dozen mice: Spawn, MX518, G9x, G100s, Zowie AM/GS, deathadders, MS mice, etc. I kept trending towards smaller, lighter mice, and these days I just use an Abyssus. I'm surprised that wasn't recommended to the OP for fingertip use, it fits the bill perfectly. It's an old thread but I wonder what mouse he ended up with, and if he kept with it after a couple months of use.

The Spawn was a favorite for a long time too, I think i just wore it out (buttons are looser?) after about a year of heavy use. CM is supposedly making a new Spawn so I'll check that out for sure.
 
Ritorix said:
Yeah it takes about a week to get used to a new mouse. You'll know you were used to it, if you go back to an older mouse and it feels 'wrong' for a bit.
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Yea I know but this time the physical dimensions play a bit part in it. The main prob that won't be cured after getting used to it is that the Zowie FK is slightly too flat at only 36mm height. The hand touches a bit too much the mousepad for me, while on MX518 it's mostly at the back only at the base of the thumb + other side outer palm area that is touching the pad.

Zowie EC1/2 had probably been a more fitting shape for me, it has the same MX-like "bent" backside that seems to work well with my hand at least. :) The prob with EC1 and 2 is that I'd need something right in-between. The EC1 is 128 mm long, the EC2 only 120mm.... whyyyyyy. xD Also height 43 vs 40mm, can't say which fits better, ideally probably 41-42mm height would be ideal to me. :p
 
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I'm currently looking for a fingertip mouse too.

Exact same grip as the OP described.

Reading through the thread, I just wanted to note that just buying whatever and getting used to it as some people have suggested is an extremely bad idea.

I just bought a 2014 Razer Naga and it's given me carpal tunnel within a week of using it.

Looking forward to hearing from Javatango on how the Roccat Kone Pure and the SteelSeries Sensei RAW went.
 
Ghostextechnica said:
I'm currently looking for a fingertip mouse too.

Exact same grip as the OP described.

Reading through the thread, I just wanted to note that just buying whatever and getting used to it as some people have suggested is an extremely bad idea.

I just bought a 2014 Razer Naga and it's given me carpal tunnel within a week of using it.

Looking forward to hearing from Javatango on how the Roccat Kone Pure and the SteelSeries Sensei RAW went.
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Steelseries Sensei is just godly in general if a laser sensor is OK for you. Unless you plan on playing a rack ton of Quake, CS, or Unreal and use a really low sense + massive fucking mouse pad the laser won't have that much of an impact. The accel on some lasers are bad, it's really minimal on the steelseries outside of said situation. Plus Steelseries has some of the best drivers and firmware updates out right now... granted they eat ram (who cares now) but it's very flexible.

I'm using deathadders on my desktops and the sensei with the laptop/work. I've got both the RAW and high end one. Get the RAW with rubber grip.
 
Ghostextechnica said:
I'm currently looking for a fingertip mouse too.

Exact same grip as the OP described.

Reading through the thread, I just wanted to note that just buying whatever and getting used to it as some people have suggested is an extremely bad idea.

I just bought a 2014 Razer Naga and it's given me carpal tunnel within a week of using it.

Looking forward to hearing from Javatango on how the Roccat Kone Pure and the SteelSeries Sensei RAW went.
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Took about a week to get use to the shape from G9x (precision) to the Kone Pure Optical, but it feels very natural and relaxed for me now (~9" from index to bottom edge of palm and ~7" from tip of thumb to tip of pinky relaxed out-stretched). The weight is off-centered slightly forward of the middle, but it seems the right place for control and lifting with a finger-tip grip. It seems like a good overall weight; a bit light, but hefty enough to add a little friction on a cloth pad like the QcK.
 
Oh I'm totally fine with lazer. Given I use a fingertip grip, my arm doesn't move at all and my mouse moves a maximum of 3 inches or so for anything I'm doing.

I'll check out both the Steelseries Sensei and the Kone Pure Optical.
 
Ghostextechnica said:
Given I use a fingertip grip, my arm doesn't move at all and my mouse moves a maximum of 3 inches or so for anything I'm doing.

I'll check out both the Steelseries Sensei and the Kone Pure Optical.
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Whew, no wonder you got carpal tunnel, loosen up a bit. ;)

But seriously, try to identify what about the Naga caused it for you. Thumb buttons, thumb gripping inwards too tightly, mouse not wide enough, hand angle, etc. Maybe find one that fits better. Something unusual would have been going on, it's not normal at all to get carpal from a week's worth of a new mouse.
 
Awesome pic - thanks for that. Really useful!

Haha I've always used fingertip grip - and as you can imagine, the shorter the distance the mouse needs to move to re-position, the less time it takes to complete that action. Therefore it provides a significant advantage in gaming - as fingertip users can typically aim faster than palm/claw grip users who need to move the mouse a lot further to get to the same place.

I think the key problems with the Naga 2014 for me are a combination of the right hand groove for the ring finger forcing it to be straight rather than curved to grip, and the many buttons on the left hand side that are positioned exactly where I'm used to gripping tightly with my thumb prohibiting anything more than a light grip with my thumb.

Furthermore, the design of the mouse (including the right hand grooves) means my hand is tilted to the right, which means my whole arm is slightly tilted to the right too.

From that I suspect I need a smaller, relatively light, ambidextrous-shaped mouse, with no buttons where my thumb tends to grip (but buttons on the left in a different place would be great).
 
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