R9 290/X AIB Cards

not "electronic" money there isnt.

Its one thing being payed under the table for labor and socking it away in your mattress, its quite another when its not physical.
 
The Mac said:
if you use the bitcoins to pay directly, they have access to the vendors records. They can trace you. You will pay taxes.

its called constructive reciept.

if you buy gold/silver, you will still have to explain where the money to buy it came from.

If you cant explain it, you will be taxed. period.

And if they decide you were intentionally avoiding taxes, you will be slapped with a Felony tax evasion charge...

There really is no way around it in the long run.

There are very few tax sheltered countries in th world anymore, even Switzerland is no longer safe. Just ask UBS.
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What is this?
You think people are getting taxed on the drugs guns and sex slaves they are buying with bitcoins?
The only reason the shit took off is because it's untraceable and criminals are willing to pay through the nose for that advantage.

Who is the THEY that are watching accounts trading untraceable bitcoins for COMMODITIES and not other currency? How does one keep track of such things? THEY can't even keep the heroin market in Afghanistan under wraps and those assholes aren't even in the bitcoin era yet.
 
http://www.legitreviews.com/nzxt-kr...oler-review-on-an-amd-radeon-r9-290x_130344/5

LegitReviews got a 10% power reduction putting their 290x under water. Unfortunately they only showed the 290x in that review and those numbers don't match their actual 290x review, so they aren't very helpful on their own.
Is it safe to extrapolate that 10% in savings to other reviews? I'm trying to figure out the power usage of the AIB 290/290x (it's a concern for me).
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
http://www.legitreviews.com/nzxt-kr...oler-review-on-an-amd-radeon-r9-290x_130344/5

LegitReviews got a 10% power reduction putting their 290x under water. Unfortunately they only showed the 290x in that review and those numbers don't match their actual 290x review, so they aren't very helpful on their own.
Is it safe to extrapolate that 10% in savings to other reviews? I'm trying to figure out the power usage of the AIB 290/290x (it's a concern for me).
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Aftermarket coolers aren't going to be able to keep the card at ~40C when under load.
It appears to scale pretty linearly though, if your card is maxing out at 10-20C under 95C you can expect to see around the same amount of savings in power consumption.

It is obviously going to have a bit of variance depending on the individual situation.
 
Bluesun311 said:
What is this?
You think people are getting taxed on the drugs guns and sex slaves they are buying with bitcoins?
The only reason the shit took off is because it's untraceable and criminals are willing to pay through the nose for that advantage.

Who is the THEY that are watching accounts trading untraceable bitcoins for COMMODITIES and not other currency? How does one keep track of such things? THEY can't even keep the heroin market in Afghanistan under wraps and those assholes aren't even in the bitcoin era yet.
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Seriously?

did you even read my post?

if you pay in bitcoins to a US legitimate retailer, i GUARANTEE you they can find you. The government has access to all retail records with a simple subpoena

drugs, and guns ARE NOT legitimate retail options.
 
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The Mac said:
come on, im talking about if you convert it to US $, not if you pay in bitcoins directly.

did you read the rest of the thread?
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Put everything into a bank account in Cayman Islands/somewhere else...profit?
 
you missed my point.

You can put it wherever you want, as soon as you try to purchase something from a legitimate US retailer, they will find you if they want to.
 
The Mac said:
you missed my point.

You can put it wherever you want, as soon as you try to purchase something from a legitimate US retailer, they will find you if they want to.
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Just say you didn't know about it. Or go to an accountant before you transfer the funds.

How much is the tax? Just wondering
 
depends on your income bracket - 15%-30% normally.

You are required by US law to report all income, foreign or domestic.

saying "i didnt know about" changes nothing.

If you can prove that in a court of law, you may get out of the tax fraud conviction, but you will still have to pay the taxes.
 
lots of college students have income.

if you make more than $9750, you are rquired to file, regardless of your occupation.

if you are a foreign national going to school in the US, you could probably get around it however, as its not income produced in the US.

You would be subject to your sovereign state tax laws however.
 
The Mac said:
lots of college students have income.

if you make more than $9750, you are rquired to file, regardless of your occupation.
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So, to "beat the system". Get rid of job, or make sure you make less than $9750 once you have acquired enough bitcoins/alt coins. Sell, no need to file for taxes due to previous statement...profit? :cool:
 
I dont even know what you all are talking about here. I came to see if aftermarket coolers are in for AMD's price gouging during the holidays.

I just wanted to say: If you have to ask a bout the legal issues associated with hiding income from the United States government, then just stop all illicit activities now. If you do not know anything already, just stop before you get yourself into trouble trying to hide what you have. There are ways around it - as many billionaires and criminals will tell you, but you are never going to be able to match them.


I have a Dual-X Sapphire 7970 and am thinking of a R9 290, is that even an upgrade?
 
i supose that would work, but who can live on 9750 a year?

lol

my rent is $12,000 alone...
 
Saki630 said:
I dont even know what you all are talking about here. I came to see if aftermarket coolers are in for AMD's price gouging during the holidays.

I just wanted to say: If you have to ask a bout the legal issues associated with hiding income from the United States government, then just stop all illicit activities now. If you do not know anything already, just stop before you get yourself into trouble trying to hide what you have. There are ways around it - as many billionaires and criminals will tell you, but you are never going to be able to match them.


I have a Dual-X Sapphire 7970 and am thinking of a R9 290, is that even an upgrade?
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yup, exactly the model i had...BIG upgrade, let me tell you

BTW: rich people dont "Hide" income, they use loopholes in the tax laws to reduce their overall reportable income. Its perfectly legal, and its the reason accountants like myself have jpbs

lol
 
The Mac said:
yup, exactly the model i had...BIG upgrade, let me tell you

BTW: rich people dont "Hide" income, they use loopholes in the tax laws to reduce their overall reportable income. Its perfectly legal, and its the reason accountants like myself have jpbs

lol
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Reminds me of a guy I met waiting for an appointment. He pulled up in a 2013 Lamborghini Aventador. After some conversation and small talk. He had about a million or more just in liquid assets for the price of the car. He said it was less in taxes to lease the luxury car ...some tax loophole.


Back to thread topic: Looking to buy aib 290x for some family. I can't help but think aib companies are dropping the ball or really stockpiling to meet the demand soon.
 
i doubt it, they probably werent allowed to sell any until a certain date.
 
I have seen prices for reference cards (290x) near 600 Euro (some over) . Unless someone tells the resellers they cannot be hatched no one will buy them anyway.

Not to sure what is AMD doing here: Screw customers that are waiting, screw them even more by allowing resellers drive prices up to the point where you are going to question reviews.

Greed is bad :)
 
If they tell resellers to lower prices, they will still be out of stock thanks to miners. There isn't a good solution here, because miners will buy cards even at inflated prices. If prices are lower, everything is out of stock. If prices are higher due to supply and demand, supply might stick for a bit longer.

The inflated prices suck from a PC gamer standpoint, but there isn't a good solution to this problem. The only good solution is if litecoin implodes tomorrow (from the perspective of buying a GPU at MSRP), and then everything will return to normal. The key point here, though, is that forcing retailers to charge MSRP changes nothing. Besides which, resellers can charge whatever they want, AMD can't force their hand really.
 
xoleras said:
If they tell resellers to lower prices, they will still be out of stock thanks to miners. There isn't a good solution here, because miners will buy cards even at inflated prices. If prices are lower, everything is out of stock. If prices are higher due to supply and demand, supply might stick for a bit longer.

The inflated prices suck from a PC gamer standpoint, but there isn't a good solution to this problem. The only good solution is if litecoin implodes tomorrow (from the perspective of buying a GPU at MSRP), and then everything will return to normal. The key point here, though, is that forcing retailers to charge MSRP changes nothing. Besides which, resellers can charge whatever they want, AMD can't force their hand really.
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By that logic, why is the PS4 still at $399 despite being sold out everywhere? It should be at least $499 by now.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-pl...cii_6553221&cpncode=35-15247074&ref=16&loc=02

http://www.gamestop.com/ps4/console...7&sourceID=RJcopG_LB_Q-_dwaDkQetQfOVA5_6S0C.A

It's still sold out but you can order it, and wait in line like everyone else.
 
Lorien said:
Originally Posted by Bluesun311
Cryptocurrency is scary shit from a certain perspective. Governments are maybe going to have to step in and start regulating who can manufacture what kind of deencryptors. You can't just go around building guns and selling them, you have to get permission from the Fed. These cards are so closely tied to a giant untaxable market that AMD should be watching their steps very carefully. Nvidia will almost certainly stay miner unfriendly by design.
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I have not read a better load of ignorance and FUD laden load of bullshit in a while. Kudos.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12

BTC plummeting after Chinese government crackdown blahblahblah
Saw that coming.
 
xoleras said:
The inflated prices suck from a PC gamer standpoint, but there isn't a good solution to this problem. The only good solution is if litecoin implodes tomorrow (from the perspective of buying a GPU at MSRP), and then everything will return to normal. The key point here, though, is that forcing retailers to charge MSRP changes nothing. Besides which, resellers can charge whatever they want, AMD can't force their hand really.
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Don't worry, the demand will slow down for sure with the decreased LTC prices. When ROI is 4-10 months, the network doesn't have as many new miners jumping onboard.

I know because LTC network difficulty was pretty stable for about 3-4 months before Nov. 18.

Also, you're forgetting that AMD & board manufacturers can ramp up supply... which they are doing. Well, they'd be insane not to.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
ASUS 290x DCII is out to reviewers.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...64694-asus-r9-290x-directcu-ii-oc-review.html
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Not impressive tbh.
My 290 with 290x bios, Accelero Xtreme III cooler, stock voltage @ 1050/5400 clocks
Running Heaven 4.0 for 20 mins:::
GPU clock and GPU use constantly maxed.

60C max GPU temp, thats almost 20C lower with constant max use!
64C Max VRM temp.
GPU voltage hung around 1.164V, occasionally getting to 1.19V.

Their max temp looks to be 78C
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...694-asus-r9-290x-directcu-ii-oc-review-9.html

Forgot to mention, during gaming the max GPU temp I have seen is 56C.
 
Pretty decent value vs the 780ti...IF they were going to sell for $570. Which, everyone knows, they won't.
 
IF I wait until mid Jan, I may as well wait until Maxwell in March because it surely is not going to sell for $570 due to mining. I think Nenu has a pretty good point though if his temps are accurate. Maybe all you need is the Accelero and OC it yourself.

Who would have thought that the power/price ratio AMD brought hard against NV would drive gamers to NV because of mining. Such a crazy time for GPU upgrades.
 
skates15 said:
IF I wait until mid Jan, I may as well wait until Maxwell in March because it surely is not going to sell for $570 due to mining. I think Nenu has a pretty good point though if his temps are accurate. Maybe all you need is the Accelero and OC it yourself.

Who would have thought that the power/price ratio AMD brought hard against NV would drive gamers to NV because of mining. Such a crazy time for GPU upgrades.
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Lolz. people still think that high end Maxwell parts will be out in march, comedy!
 
psyside said:
Lolz. people still think that high end Maxwell parts will be out in march, comedy!
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speaking of which, what is/when are amds next gpus coming out? The end of 2014? How long will it take them to get Hawaii to 20nm? Is it really true that nvidia will be first to that node? Or have you heard that they will certainly be delayed into much later?



More generally, when do you think the amd card prices come back down to earth? bitcoin has crashed pretty hard, and litecoin being little sir echo has fallen as a result. It's still slightly profitable to mine them for the moment, but how long will we have to wait before the retailers are forced to lower prices again?

newegg is up to 529 for the 290 now, 629 for the 290x

amazon has started seeing the 290s prices drop back to earth, the sapphire reference card is back down to 429 now, a hundred dollars cheaper than newegg

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-PCI-...ie=UTF8&qid=1387420828&sr=8-4&keywords=r9+290
 
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Pirate Islands? End of 2014.
Haven't seen anything about cards before then. It looks like a 290/290x refresh is in order.

The prices will come down when places like Newegg start building up stock due to lack of sales probably.
Still hoping we can get non-ref 290's and 290x's for MSRP. Wouldn't that be amazing.

amazon has started seeing the 290s prices drop back to earth, the sapphire reference card is back down to 429 now, a hundred dollars cheaper than newegg
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I'm seeing $549 on that link.

btw Newegg just finished another price increase within the last day or two: 280x @ $419, 290 @ $529.
Another $20 price hike.

Not impressive tbh.
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Impressive compared to what?! The Accelero III is an $80 cooler.
The DCII is $20 over MSRP which doesn't include voiding your warranty, or buying/installing a separate heatsink.

Let's go a step further and say your Accelero isn't impressive compared to watercooling. You can take another 20C off load temps with a G10 and a single-loop CPU cooler for $120.
It doesn't mean the DCII or your Accelero are less impressive, it just means you're paying more for better cooling.
 
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Also forget using 290 in crossfire with artic cooler. Most dont have 3 slots and the heat will rise and choke the top card. I would take a better 2 slot cooler that exhausts out the back
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Impressive compared to what?! The Accelero III is an $80 cooler.
The DCII is $20 over MSRP which doesn't include voiding your warranty, or buying/installing a separate heatsink.

Let's go a step further and say your Accelero isn't impressive compared to watercooling. You can take another 20C off load temps with a G10 and a single-loop CPU cooler for $120.
It doesn't mean the DCII or your Accelero are less impressive, it just means you're paying more for better cooling.
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Accelero is great for core temps, but is garbage at controlling VRM temps.
 
tybert7 said:
speaking of which, what is/when are amds next gpus coming out? The end of 2014? How long will it take them to get Hawaii to 20nm? Is it really true that nvidia will be first to that node? Or have you heard that they will certainly be delayed into much later?
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AMD taped out at least one, if not two, 20nm ASICs awhile ago and are waiting on TSMC.

First Maxwell out in 1H '14 is on 28nm...
 
LordEC911 said:
AMD taped out at least one, if not two, 20nm ASICs awhile ago and are waiting on TSMC.

First Maxwell out in 1H '14 is on 28nm...
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Yup, I wouldn't expect any significant volume in Q1 on N20 from TSMC. I believe portions of P5 are currently being moved over to a new line for N20 production. Couple that with the shutdown at the end of January for Chinese New Year and N20 is looking more like a Summer debut.
 
skates15 said:
IF I wait until mid Jan, I may as well wait until Maxwell in March because it surely is not going to sell for $570 due to mining. I think Nenu has a pretty good point though if his temps are accurate. Maybe all you need is the Accelero and OC it yourself.

Who would have thought that the power/price ratio AMD brought hard against NV would drive gamers to NV because of mining. Such a crazy time for GPU upgrades.
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I made some Afterburner screenshots showing the GPU temp while running Heaven 4.0.
1st one is at 1050MHz clock, stock volts (reported up to 1.19V).
Around 59C max.
Not sure why the framerate didnt register on this run.

2nd one is at 1155MHz +100mV (which boosts with higher temp to a reported 1.258V).
Tending toward 65C max, although max I saw was 64C.

Room temp is about 18C so add 5C to those to compare with the review, their room temp was stated to be around 23C.

s5bklv.jpg


xghe6c.jpg
 
Nenu said:
I made some Afterburner screenshots showing the GPU temp while running Heaven 4.0.
1st one is at 1050MHz clock, stock volts (reported up to 1.19V).
Around 59C max.
Not sure why the framerate didnt register on this run.

2nd one is at 1155MHz +100mV (which boosts with higher temp to a reported 1.258V).
Tending toward 65C max, although max I saw was 64C.

Room temp is about 18C so add 5C to those to compare with the review, their room temp was stated to be around 23C.
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What are your VRM temps?
 
I made this post in another thread, modified a little to make sense here
Max VRM temp is about 55C at standard clocks (1000MHz core), standard volts (up to 1.19V).
When using 1155MHz with +100mV (which adds more than 100mV depending on GPU temp, I saw up to 1.258V), max VRM is about 72C, room temp 18C.
This is running Heaven 4.0 for over 20 mins.
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I havent got a VRM temp measurement for 1050MHz clocks @ stock volts but I can do one for you if the above isnt sufficient.

edit
I posted my vrm temp at 1050MHz clocks in post #189, it is 64C.
 
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