Windows 8.2 Will Make Start Menu An Option?

XP and 7 are good examples of what MS releases when they actually listen to customers. Me, Vista, and 8 are examples of MS telling the customer what they think they should want.
 
Activate: AMD said:
I have a theory that if you say "Metro" 3 times in a row in any thread, heatlesssun will magically appear and defend the metro UI :p
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You saw windows in any thread and the same horde of whiners magically appear and bash it with the same inane arguments. *shrug*

The Avalon said:
95% of the [H] userbase would love to have a word with you.
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82% of statistics are made up.


As far as options go... Is Classic Start/Start8, etc banned from being installed on the OS? So you do have the OPTION of doing whatever the fuck you want with your Windows 8? Is it useable without it? Definitely. Do some people hate the way they have to use it? Definitely. Can you modify it to your liking? Definitely.

The way people talk around here, you would think this forum is filled with Corporate Business professionals that have years of experience running a global billion dollar company that covers about 90% of their market.
 
THRESHIN said:
dear microsoft,

for once in the entire history of your company, i believe its time to try something so insane and unorthodox that doing so may start the beginning of the apocalypse:

listen to your customers
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By jove.
 
Climber said:
But most people forget all the changes that happwned to xp and 7 as well and forget the growing pains with both of them as well.
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I never forget. I never forgive.
Fisher-Price UI in XP.
Vista's sidebar and "new and improved start menu!!!1!"

What was wrong with a nice, simple, professional GUI like this?
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(Admittedly, there have been several evolutionary concepts which I rather like. Hyper-V, SMB teaming, ISO mounting, taskbar pinning, single-icon-for-multiple-windows-on-taskbar, Windows Search, etc...)

Bill Gates, in the off chance that you're reading this, I beg of you - Institute a new metric in your GUI design from this point forward: Clicks to Completion. How many clicks does it take for a user to do what they want to do? If your change increased this metric, it is a bad change. If it decreased it, it is a good one.
 
XamediX said:
You saw windows in any thread and the same horde of whiners magically appear and bash it with the same inane arguments. *shrug*



82% of statistics are made up.


As far as options go... Is Classic Start/Start8, etc banned from being installed on the OS? So you do have the OPTION of doing whatever the fuck you want with your Windows 8? Is it useable without it? Definitely. Do some people hate the way they have to use it? Definitely. Can you modify it to your liking? Definitely.

The way people talk around here, you would think this forum is filled with Corporate Business professionals that have years of experience running a global billion dollar company that covers about 90% of their market.
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LOL...look at how fast he is peddling! MS can't give you what you want but here are some 3rd party hacks! And yes I am one of those 90%....of course that could be one of those made up statistics, correct!
 
Stiletto said:
You really don't like people having different opinions on what they like, do you? ;)
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There's having a different opinion, and there's shoving that same opinion down peoples throats every single fucking time any slightly related topic is brought up about it. Especially if said opinion is considered weak. But that latter is more opinion based anyway. It's just getting tiring. Grrrrr. ORIGIN sucks!, XBOX1 sucks! PS4 sucks! Win8 sucks! EA sucks! DICE sucks! Apple sucks! I WILL TELL YOU EVERY CHANCE I GET THAT IT SUCKS!

Worst part is, I get sucked in half the time. I'm like do not click that comment button, don't... shit. I clicked. Now this thread, well I def shoulda known better. It is titled specifically what people have griped about. But fuck man.

HAQattaq said:
I think there are more system admins on these forums than you want to believe. ;)
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I think there are a whole lot actually. But I'm speaking about 10 pay grades above those guys. People making such ambitious statements about how to run a company like they are C level employees. Not about their experience as a sys admin and the issues they may face.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
XP and 7 are good examples of what MS releases when they actually listen to customers. Me, Vista, and 8 are examples of MS telling the customer what they think they should want.
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You say that like if people didn't hate on them about just as much. I have been seeing people rage every single release since 98.
 
pcjunkie said:
LOL...look at how fast he is peddling! MS can't give you what you want but here are some 3rd party hacks! And yes I am one of those 90%....of course that could be one of those made up statistics, correct!
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Yea 3rd party hacks eh? Be more sensationalist. I don't think hack means the way you think it does. :)
 
Dekarx said:
You say that like if people didn't hate on them about just as much. I have been seeing people rage every single release since 98.
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They really didn't though. XP and 7 had glowing reviews and were blockbusters in terms of sales.
 
bullet-worm said:
The whole Metro UI should have been an OPTION to choose for those few touchscreen computers out there in the world. Those are the computers most likely to be used in the same manner as a tablet or phone. For the rest of the world, anyone who has more than half dozen pieces of software to run would find the Start menu easier, more logical, and dare I say it... more intuitive than the crazy Metro UI.

I still remember my very first brush with Metro UI... when I actually had to do a Google search to learn where the Windows shutdown button was hidden. Under Settings? Really?

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What amazes me is that my laptop was able to configure itself at the proper resolution as far back as Windows 7, I believe (that is, it read the optimal resolution data from the hardware/driver). You'd think a small piece of code would be able to say "Is this touchscreen? If yes, touch mode (Metro), if not, desktop mode (like 7).

It's not as if the inclusion of a desktop mode had to be forced onto tablets (like the tablet mode was forced onto desktops).
 
I am going against the trend. I think window 8 is easier to use without start button. That is because I only use few applications.

I think Window 8 is designed with customers like me in their mind.
 
Well.... They just might get this thing right after all !
 
Flyboat said:
I am going against the trend. I think window 8 is easier to use without start button. That is because I only use few applications.
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And that's the #1 reason I hate the start screen. As a programmer I have several hundred applications.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
They really didn't though. XP and 7 had glowing reviews and were blockbusters in terms of sales.
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7 did for the most part. But there were criticisms of the changed start bar. Then people realized they loved it. XP did not. You must of forgot about all the drama when XP was put on machines with hardware too weak to run it, but nope it was the OS'es fault. But now you can't say a bad thing about XP.

pcjunkie said:
Actually yes I do...but go ahead and cry moar. ;)
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Says the guy crying about having to install a program to get more functionality out of his OS. But yea call the "program" a "hack" so you can try to strengthen your weak argument. Because hacks are bad. Windows 8 makes you have to hack it in order for it to be usable in any way. Fuck outta hea with that drivel. lol.
 
XamediX said:
There's having a different opinion, and there's shoving that same opinion down peoples throats every single fucking time any slightly related topic is brought up about it.
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In other words, you don't want to hear negative opinions about Windows 8 because you love it so much and fuck those guys they should learn to use Metro and shut up because you don't wanna hear it! :mad:
 
It's that people don't seem to realize that Metro is a second, better desktop that doesn't force you to minimize everything to get to it. I have windows key binded on a mouse side button. EVERYTHING is now 2 clicks way, and I don't need to minimize anything. The more I used Metro the more icons migrated from my original desktop which became more and more like a temporary work space to slide sutff on. Why in the world would I prefer a start menu that requires more clicks and slides in a less accessible format?
 
Stiletto said:
In other words, you don't want to hear negative opinions about Windows 8 because you love it so much and fuck those guys they should learn to use Metro and shut up because you don't wanna hear it! :mad:
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No. But nice strawman. Example: I personally can't stand much of anything Sony does or produces. What I don't do is go into every thread bashing the shit every chance I get. I'll let those people enjoy what they want to enjoy in peace. I don't care for Apple much either, but I don't go bashing them every time the word "fruit" or "steve jobs" or "iphone" is mentioned.
 
XamediX said:
7 did for the most part. But there were criticisms of the changed start bar. Then people realized they loved it. XP did not. You must of forgot about all the drama when XP was put on machines with hardware too weak to run it, but nope it was the OS'es fault. But now you can't say a bad thing about XP.



Says the guy crying about having to install a program to get more functionality out of his OS. But yea call the "program" a "hack" so you can try to strengthen your weak argument. Because hacks are bad. Windows 8 makes you have to hack it in order for it to be usable in any way. Fuck outta hea with that drivel. lol.
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LOL...perpetual crying!



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Not sure what kept them of putting in both metro and start meny though, not even as an option, but just both. More choice is always fun to have.
 
Dekarx said:
Not sure what kept them of putting in both metro and start meny though, not even as an option, but just both. More choice is always fun to have.
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That in a nutshell. But Windows 8 fan boys don't want the majority to have a choice.
 
XamediX said:
No. But nice strawman. Example: I personally can't stand much of anything Sony does or produces. What I don't do is go into every thread bashing the shit every chance I get. I'll let those people enjoy what they want to enjoy in peace. I don't care for Apple much either, but I don't go bashing them every time the word "fruit" or "steve jobs" or "iphone" is mentioned.
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So you don't make simple jokes at Sony's expense? You complain about everyone that does? That's a pretty normal standard for discussion of companies, and it's rather pedantic to get so animated. Now, if everyone were ranting about how much they hated that company or its products, I might agree. However, that's not what people are doing regarding Windows 8. They're giving it about as much shit as was given to Vista, and both 8 and Vista had significant enough problems that reasonable levels of shit should be expected.
 
Dekarx said:
It's that people don't seem to realize that Metro is a second, better desktop that doesn't force you to minimize everything to get to it. I have windows key binded on a mouse side button. EVERYTHING is now 2 clicks way, and I don't need to minimize anything. The more I used Metro the more icons migrated from my original desktop which became more and more like a temporary work space to slide sutff on. Why in the world would I prefer a start menu that requires more clicks and slides in a less accessible format?
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For the same reason people resist change in every other area of their lives: they're used to the old way.

(Not that I'm defending Windows 8, by the way. Metro can DIAF.)
 
TeeJayHoward said:
How many clicks does it take for a user to do what they want to do? If your change increased this metric, it is a bad change. If it decreased it, it is a good one.
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In the daily use of the desktop and desktop applications this really hasn't changed in Windows 8.
 
[L]imey;1040453954 said:
As soon as you start thinking about the start screen as a big full screen start menu, everything is fine.
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No. Actually it's not. Because the start screen totally destroys context from your desktop.

Some people with simple usage patterns (like tablet users) won't mind that. But people who have a dozen or so programs running simultaneously tend to detest the fact that you're not just shifting focus away from an app but actually hiding it while rooting around in what is essentially a glorified program launcher.
 
Sigh, and there comes the posting of pictures... so juvenile. I swear [H] got too popular and is now stealing the fanbase of TomsHardware. *ignore time*
 
choppedliver said:
take away metro and bring back the start button, what do you have left, windows 7?
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Not quite. There's a lot of nifty features in 8. Like the ability to mount ISOs as drives, etc. Under the hood Win8 is Win7 SP2.
 
XamediX said:
Sigh, and there comes the posting of pictures... so juvenile. I swear [H] got too popular and is now stealing the fanbase of TomsHardware. *ignore time*
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No offense but if you act like a juvenile by ranting/swearing then you will get treated like it. Your obviously worked up so why not take a breather?
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
They really didn't though. XP and 7 had glowing reviews and were blockbusters in terms of sales.
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Actually XP had a rough start due to the security issues and compatibility issues it faced at launch. XP didn't really begin to take off in the enterprise until SP2 in the Summer of 2004, nearly 3 years after launch. 7 was really more of anomaly than par for the course for Microsoft in terms of business adoption because of long span between XP to Vista and Vista not so stellar reception. Plus 7 was more of a fit and finish release that didn't bring huge changes.
 
Stiletto said:
So you don't make simple jokes at Sony's expense? You complain about everyone that does? That's a pretty normal standard for discussion of companies, and it's rather pedantic to get so animated. Now, if everyone were ranting about how much they hated that company or its products, I might agree. However, that's not what people are doing regarding Windows 8. They're giving it about as much shit as was given to Vista, and both 8 and Vista had significant enough problems that reasonable levels of shit should be expected.
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Every now and then sure. But you have to understand the difference between a joke here and there and straight up bashing in EVERY THREAD they are mentioned. Please tell me you understand that fundamental difference I am attempting to express here. But I agree with you about people giving shit about things that seem bad or done wrong. But I disagree with you on the level of significance those problems were. But that's my and your opinion. It's kind of people are re-defining the word choice to fit their argument. Some say choice should be specifically hard-coded in and others say the fact that you can install any program you want(with obvious exceptions) is choice. They are both choices. But somehow people use semantics to strengthen their POV.

I use 7 and 8. I like 7 more than 8 because 7 is fucking awesome and I'm used to it, not because 8 is so bad. But eventually I'll move my main desktop over to it instead of just my HTPC. But you know how they say gamers are lazy :D so I'm waiting till I upgrade some hardware before I do.
 
Climber said:
There is a difference between broke and not tech relevent anymore. iOS really broke the mold and blackberry and their "superiority" weren't willing to admit that they weren't relevent anymore. All of their changes were because they were trying to play catch up and they didn't have a plan or model in place to support those changes. Good companies will always be trying to push the envelope of what is going to keep thrm in the forefront.
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No. Even prior to IOS, the Blackberry ecosystem was complete mess. The base Blackberry system had 3 things it did well. BBM, mail, and device/bandwidth management. The developer base for Blackberry had 3 tiers. Shitty, Really Shitty, and WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?

When dealing with a "highly recommended" BB developer, we saw then try to deliver an app that required no less than SEVEN Java environments to be installed just to get it to work.

Then, when we found a bug, they swore up and down that it was a bug in the software it was integrating to and that there was no way possible for the bug to be fixed. One of our in-house guys traced it down through logs and fixed it. Total time? 15 minutes. The problem was a malformed query on their end.
 
Ahh see I was never that involved with the programming or enterprise environment on BB. That woukd make sense as to why things would be broke on BB.
 
LiNKiN said:
They really should have just done this to start with. I realize it is not hard to get to the desktop and I realize that their are good things about the Metro UI, however all of the negative stuff could have been avoided and Win 8 would've been praised otherwise. Some people have to be eased into change. :)
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What are the good things about the metro UI? I haven't met one yet. Not a damn thing is quicker, easier, cooler, more fun, etc. and a number of things are worse and more frustrating. I used to assume that it would be better suited to a tablet, but we got a surface RT for compatibility testing, and it is awful in entirely different ways. I'd argue that the phone interface is least awkward, but it is still fairly awkward compared to ios or android.
 
XamediX said:
There's having a different opinion, and there's shoving that same opinion down peoples throats every single fucking time any slightly related topic is brought up about it. Especially if said opinion is considered weak. But that latter is more opinion based anyway. It's just getting tiring. Grrrrr. ORIGIN sucks!, XBOX1 sucks! PS4 sucks! Win8 sucks! EA sucks! DICE sucks! Apple sucks! I WILL TELL YOU EVERY CHANCE I GET THAT IT SUCKS!

Worst part is, I get sucked in half the time. I'm like do not click that comment button, don't... shit. I clicked. Now this thread, well I def shoulda known better. It is titled specifically what people have griped about. But fuck man.
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You sir, need a timeout.
 
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