Pulling the cable plug discussion - your experiences

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This subforum is cool and all with lots of info on building an HTPC - but there's not a lot of discussion on how you guys use them, and what the experience is like. Maybe some of you guys who have it all figured out can share some experiences with us noobs, and show off a little bit! :)

I think there's two camps with HTPCs, one group sees it as a complement to their current services - a way to do things better so to say. The other side I feel more in tune with, is that an HTPC opens up the possibility to drop pay services and get more for less.

Like many others, I'm very tired of paying an ever increasing cable bill loaded with stupid fees for hundreds of crappy channels. I personally don't watch much TV, but my kids and wife are a different story. So while pulling the cable TV plug and going with just an internet connection would be just fine for me, it's still got to work for the less computer savvy family members as well. I feel that if I built a solid HTPC, and picked up a few streaming subcriptions (Hulu+, netflix, etc.), I could dump everything but the internet connection and save some legitimate money.

So here's the stuff (to me) that seems like it would work well:
1) Getting a real antenna and picking up local stations for live TV (NBC CBS ABC, etc.)
2) Using an HTPC as a TV guide, and DVR
3) Using an HTPC for streaming services like netflix and hulu
4) Kid's shows streaming selection (spongebob, cartoons, etc.)
5) Using the HTPC as a media center for streaming my private library of music, photos, and music
6) Using the HTPC with my emulators - get my old school NES games back on the TV where they belong :)

But there's things I wonder about:
1) Even if I bump my internet speeds up - I'm thinking that a) me gaming while b) my family streams - isn't going to work too well
2) Can that be fixed with router settings? (I think hitting the upload limit is more limiting than download speeds - not sure that's fixable in my router) How does this work for you gamers / multiusers?
3) I'd like to stay away from pirating the "crappy" cable TV shows (honey boo boo, project runway, hoarders, you get the idea) but this is something my wife enjoys and I don't see any other legitimate options for this stuff other than "paying for all those crappy cable channels" For those with the significant other - where have you all found this stuff or have you just gone without?
4) Long time ago in a far away galaxy - my super massive college speakers with football field sized magnets erased a bunch of disks :) Is that still a concern? (although my speakers are much less obnoxious these days).

Advice? Agree? Disagree? Your experiences? What works well and what doesn't? Inquiring minds want to know from people who aren't stupid (most of the [H] crew). :D
 
1. I think most people overestimate how much bandwidth online gaming actually uses. Latency matters, sure, but bandwidth? Not as much as one would think. So long as you aren't pegging your connection you should be fine. Anyway, I have not noticed any issues (although my connection is rather good at ~70/20).

2. If (1) is still a concern, the feature you are looking for is Quality of Service (QoS). True QoS is rather rare in stock consumer router firmware. Fortunately, replacement firmware distributions such as Tomato and DD-WRT are available for most routers, even very cheap routers should your current router not support any additional firmware distributions.

3. Hoarders is on one of the big three streamers (Amazon, Hulu, and Netflix), but I forget which one. I think it is Amazon though. I am not sure about the others. Maybe subscribe to Netflix via mail in addition to streaming? Season passes, etc., are also available through Amazon and others for the shows that she cannot miss or be behind in for any reason. Even a $40-60 season pass one month of a year is going to be cheaper than $50-100+ per month for a package.

4. Highly unlikely.
 
I was in the same boat as you...looking for a way to reduce my monthly charges. I ended up building a HTPC, and I don't regret it overall. Sure, there are times I wish I had my cable TV back (baseball season for starters...I miss MLB Network), but they are mostly about sports. I'll share what I have learned:

Like many others, I'm very tired of paying an ever increasing cable bill loaded with stupid fees for hundreds of crappy channels. I personally don't watch much TV, but my kids and wife are a different story. So while pulling the cable TV plug and going with just an internet connection would be just fine for me, it's still got to work for the less computer savvy family members as well. I feel that if I built a solid HTPC, and picked up a few streaming subcriptions (Hulu+, netflix, etc.), I could dump everything but the internet connection and save some legitimate money.

Not knocking the fact that you might want Hulu+, netflix, etc, but for me, by the time I added in the subscriptions to those services, I was right back at my monthly output for Cable...so I opted out of those.

So here's the stuff (to me) that seems like it would work well:
1) Getting a real antenna and picking up local stations for live TV (NBC CBS ABC, etc.)
Works fine. I got a HDHomerun and it works beautifully. Although I rarely use the antenna because my cable provider doesn't block the network stations on my internet connection, so I just have that split between my router and HDHomerun.
2) Using an HTPC as a TV guide, and DVR
Again, works beautifully. I use Windows 7 Media Center for this, and aside from either the cable co. or the HDHomerun doing something that flips the stations all around every once in a while, it works just as good as my cable-provided DVR ever did. Plus, I have the freedom to add more tuners if I so choose, by purchasing another HDHomerun.
3) Using an HTPC for streaming services like netflix and hulu
Can't speak for netflix, but Hulu works fine. There is a MC7 Hulu plugin that makes it super easy to use by remote.
4) Kid's shows streaming selection (spongebob, cartoons, etc.)
I'll touch on this in a moment. See the answer to your wife's stations and XBMC add-ons.
5) Using the HTPC as a media center for streaming my private library of music, photos, and music
I personally haven't gotten to the music, photos and music (again?), but I DO use it for Movies. I don't know how else to say this, but I will NEVER, EVER go back to the old way. I love having my 500+ movies all available at the press of a button. Even my 6 year old knows how to run it, and get to whatever she wants to watch. And I don't have to worry about lost/misplaced discs or scratched discs. Also, since I have a media player on every TV, I networked my house, and every TV has access to all 500+ movies at any given time. Perfect.

Primarily I use MC7+MediaBrowser. I also have XBMC installed with its plugin. There are pros and cons to both of them. I personally like the speed and integration of media types into XBMC. I generally prefer the layout of the library of MediaBrowser though. If this were a discussion about the native media library of MC7 vs XBMC, it would be XBMC without question.
6) Using the HTPC with my emulators - get my old school NES games back on the TV where they belong :)
No experience here from me. I built my HTPC to do one thing: Play media. No gaming whatsoever on it. It has worked out well so far.

But there's things I wonder about:
1) Even if I bump my internet speeds up - I'm thinking that a) me gaming while b) my family streams - isn't going to work too well
Is your HTPC going to also be your media server? Mine currently is, as my media is stored on two external USB 2.0 hard drives. I am in the process of building a server for that part, and just having the client do its client thing.
2) Can that be fixed with router settings? (I think hitting the upload limit is more limiting than download speeds - not sure that's fixable in my router) How does this work for you gamers / multiusers?
I haven't had a problem, but I'm not a big online gamer
3) I'd like to stay away from pirating the "crappy" cable TV shows (honey boo boo, project runway, hoarders, you get the idea) but this is something my wife enjoys and I don't see any other legitimate options for this stuff other than "paying for all those crappy cable channels" For those with the significant other - where have you all found this stuff or have you just gone without?
This is where the magic of XBMC comes into play. There are many add-ons that help with this. One of the best (although it has been plagued by scripting errors lately) is FreeCable[/url by [url=https://code.google.com/p/bluecop-xbmc-repo/downloads/detail?name=repository.bluecop.xbmc-plugins.zip&can=2&q=[BlueCop[/url]. Very easy to navigate and find what you want, and it streams whatever is on the website of various stations.
If they are magnetically shielded, then no, no concern. If they are not magnetically shielded, then yes, absolutely a concern. Do not put your HTPC next to non-shielded speakers.
 
I tried cutting the cord and it didn't last for me. Mainly because I watch sports and most of the things I watch I can't get from OTA antenna.

What I did was use cablecard tuners. I use two HDHomerun Primes which gives me option to record up to 6 things at a time.

I then use Xbox 360s in the bedrooms as extenders.With my HTPC in the livingroom. I'm able to stream nearly all my media this way. Minus mainly MKVs.

Not paying receiver fees saves me about $35 month. This could be be an alternative to keep the "crappy" cable tv and save some money. I'm only giving up Pay Per View and Ondemand. This has been a great alternative for me.

On my HTPC I do have emulators, I use Gamebrowser to launch my roms within Windows Media Center. I use a wireless xbox 360 controller and I'm able to play all my roms from the couch.
 
I use XBMC for everything, and I love it. For emulation/game integration I used the Advanced Launcher addon. I can't say enough good things about it, it just adds so much expandability to XBMC. If you try it out and have any questions let me know, or hit the thread for it on the XBMC forums. The developer, Angelscry, is very quick about answering peoples questions and helping them through issues.
 
i needed to keep cable for sports but i love having HTPCs with cable cards...

i have a ceton 4 tuner in mine and I share 1 tuner over the network to my HTPC in the bedroom.

it works great. has been working great for over 4 years.

Media Center on W7 is the best STB you can buy!
 
A side note about XBMC - a few of their developers are currently working on adding libretro support to the main XBMC branch. Soon you should be able to browse your rom collection and run emulators within XBMC. More info here.
 
It's been a few months now since I've cut the TV service from my provider. I love sitting down on the couch less often, and when I do, I have a simple library of commercial free shows to watch.

Tools of the trade:
XBMC
WMC for OTA TV watching
Sickbeard for show fetching
XBMC Addons: PsuedoTV when it worked, all the usual video addons (Hulu, Amazon, PBS, etc)

I switched from 20/2 to 75/10mb to beef up the streaming/show fetching. If your router has QoS you can try to play with it, but only so far as the streaming might suffer. Upgrading to the fastest tier was a no brainer since it was just a little more than what we were paying before. I use RCN and only pay $59, a big difference from paying almost $150/month for TV.
 
I wrote this in a similar thread on AT last August, but it still applies. The only difference is that it has now been nearly 1.5 years since we dropped our paid subscription tv service.

"I had Dish for two years, and after they jacked up their price at the beginning of the 2nd year, I dropped our package level a couple of times to get the family used to having fewer channels. A couple of months before our 2-year contract ended, I built a htpc with 3 separate tuners, and hooked it up to our outdoor antenna. Being that we live in the Houston area, we have access to all the major networks, and a number of subchannels. I dropped Dish back in November, we use the htpc as a dvr, and with Netflix we always have something to watch. The wife and kids sometimes miss satellite tv, but for the most part it has been a successful transition.

If I had tried to cut out satellite cold turkey, it might have been a different story. But, since I weaned the family down over a year to fewer channels, it was not as painful as it might have been. The money we have saved since November has roughly covered the cost of the htpc, so from this point on it's just extra money in our bank every month."
 
I haven't had any sort of cable/satellite in over 3 years. Never thought twice about it. XBMC plus Sab/Sickbeard/Couchpotato/Amazon Prime.
 
The last time I had cable was in 2007, and I haven't missed it at all. I do have a $10 antenna hooked up to my TV, but I barely use that. It does provide a nice stop gap for certain things. But I'm also not that eager to watch things as soon as they air.
I've been using Plex almost entirely for a couple of years now, and I'm very happy with it. I did, though, have an enormous collection of media files on a server, which Plex works quite well with. Prior to Plex I just kept them organized and named so I could just file browse and play through VLC, so dumping everything into Plex Media Server (which requires certain file naming and folder nesting conventions to do its automatic scanning) was pretty easy. If you've got your stuff organized, or are willing to do it, Plex is pretty slick (it pulls down full metadata, art, theme music). The client interface is pretty simple (it was originally designed to be navigated with just the apple remote), and everything is now Windows/Mac compatible. My Mom, who is pretty techphobic and loves her regular TV, LOVED my setup the last time she came to visit. The only things I have had any issue with are some anime shows with weird dual audio/subtitle formats, so with those I just quit out and go back to VLC.
It operates a lot like XBMC, and also has a bunch of plugins to provide some of the Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, and individual network online content (there's a plugin to get the Daily Show, one for HGTV's online content, one for CNN or NBC and so on). So it might cover the trashy shows you want; you'll just have to research which ones are online (looks like many of them are making their way to Prime/Netflix). The media server side is pretty great, overall.
The most powerful aspect of Plex might be controlling what your kids watch--between the server/client set up it'd be pretty easy to do a limited machine or set of "channels" so your kids don't stumble upon your more grown up stuff. My current config is a plain old file server just holding the media, a newer mini-itx system to run Plex Media Server and handle any transcoding or whatnot, and a couple of older mac minis for the front ends. This set up means I can pretty much ignore the hardware age on everything but the mini-itx system, so it's possible, with one newish machine, to get a lot of old hardware in the mix. I even have an old laptop with a dead screen that I hooked up to a spare monitor in the garage for when I'm working out there and it handles everything great.
For some of your other stuff like emulators and the like, once you hook a computer up to the TV the sky's the limit. Invest in a good wireless keyboard (I like the Logitech K400) to supplement any remote. I've set Plex to auto-start on all the client systems, so any visitor who wants to "watch TV" just has to turn the computer on and use the remote, and I have the backup option of doing whatever I want with the keyboard.
The biggest change, I think, is transitioning from the "random" quality of regular cable channel surfing to a series of more deliberate choices. Instead of just mindlessly flipping for something to watch, I have to make a choice about watching my own media or something streaming, and then drilling down into my genre/form options from there. This might be the biggest thing to discuss with your wife.
 
I've tried many times to cut the cord but haven't been able to stick with it.

I have had an HTPC in some form or another for a decade. I can download all the shows I want but it's sometimes a pain. All the streaming services have crap for quality. I'm on FIOS so I have the bandwidth but once you take those streams and blow them up on a large screen they really look crappy.
And by the time I pay for all those individual services it ends up costing about as much as I pay for satellite.

And I sometimes like just browsing channels I wouldn't otherwise think to, for new show discovery.
 
with baseball season just starting back up....

i have to say until MLB.tv does not have blackouts I will still be paying for cable..

I would bet the cable companies know this and will keep negotiating contracts with MLB, MLS, NHL and NFL to keep it off the internet :(
 
Instead of going over each point in your OP, I'll just relate my experiences.

I'm actually going in today, to turn in my MCard from my Tivo. I'm dropping Comcast all together.
The wife is the one that watches just a handful of the channels, and I'm basically weening her off of sitting in front of the TV, or letting it blare in the background while she's crafting.

For my setup, I have a Mohu Ultimate Leaf plugged directly into the TV for her idle "flip the channel" moods. We get about 14 channels, about 50% in HD. I also recently purchased a Roku 3 which works beautifully. I have it hooked up to a WHS2011 server, so we can stream all our movies (all hand ripped, everything legal).

Here's the kicker though. I've also dumped cable internet (had the 20Mb package) for a 10Mb DSL connection. The funny part is, the DSL connection is actually "snappier", even if I don't have the raw speed. Also, my DSL provider is part of the Netflix Open Connect network, so I can stream "Super HD" with them, and Hulu is very snappy and runs at full 3.5Mb/s HD as well. My wife can PvP in WoW over a wireless connection, while I'm streaming Super HD Netflix to her hearts content... and you can be sure I'd hear about it, if there was a problem.

Now, I *might* wind up getting set back up with Sickbeard/SabNZBS etc in the future (Usenet) but we are happy for now.
 
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I just did it ... cut the cord! No more Dish Network, relying on a decent antenna for OTA plus a HDHomerun and a few HTPC's. Trying to point that antenna in the right direction was hilarious ... until discovering there's signal strength apps for androids thank goodness.

It's a pity the major networks don't broadcast full length, unedited, HD movies any more ... or very very few. Guess that's why Netflix and others are so popular.

This site is your friend for antennas: http://forum.tvfool.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
 
I cut the chord about 16 months ago, and for the most part havent looked back.

I stream all my stuff legally on my Roku via Netflix, PlayOn, and Vudu (pay per view). However some networks dont broadcast their material on any of these services, so for shows like The Walking Dead and Sons of Anarchy I download the episodes online the day after they air. What this means it the vast majority of my content is commercial free, or at least with very limited commercial intrusion. The downside is I have to be tech savvy enough to know how to obtain these shows, and how to configure apps like PlayOn.

There are frequent frustrations, especially for my g/f, when one of these services doesnt work. I always remind her how awesome it is to be able to watch an entire season of something however she pleases, like a tivo. To be able to pause, fast forward, and rewind at her whim. And of course, little to no commercials. But there's always that nagging nuisance when something goes wrong, a show doesnt load with some random error message, having to frequently update the platform software, etc. I'd say there's at least 1 problem per week that requires my attention to get it back running.

There's also some shows that simply do not air online at all. So unless someone is kind hearted enough to seed a torrent for Millionaire Matchmaker, we just flat out miss these shows entirely, which sucks. I'd say every other month I get scolded for canceling cable and how we should get it back.

Final opinions? Streaming all of your shows is still in its infancy, and hardly perfect. It is riddled with problems and you WILL have to fix things. It's not like a cable box that just works 100% of the time unless there's a service outage. Will I go back to cable? Probably not because "we make do". That, and the sheer fact that I only watch 3 tv shows so there's no way in hell I'm paying for 90 channels just to be inundated with advertisements every 5 minutes.
 
Sabnzbd
sickbeard
couchpotato
Plex, either on your HTPC or on a Roku 3(I actually stopped using my HTPC when I got the Roku and plex app)

Look 'em up. Thank me later.
 
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