AMD Catalyst 13.11 beta 9.4

psyside

2[H]4U
Joined
Apr 23, 2009
Messages
2,243
13.11 beta 9.4



Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for Windows:

- Includes all Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.2 Driver

- May resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon™ R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards

- Improves AMD CrossFire™ scaling in the multi-player portion of Call of Duty®: Ghosts

- AMD Enduro Technology Profile updates:

​- XCOM:​ Enemy Unknown

- Need for Speed Rivals

:cool:
 
Rolling back as these drivers introduced a jittery/stutter in BF4 on other soldiers when they were moving on my screen and edges of columns and doors and corners were also flickering as I moved past them and I had flickering textures on walls and flickering smoke effects.
 
It also removes the AMD Overdrive from CCC, for people depending on it.
 
Tried 13.11 v9.4, CCC crashes and closes when I open it. Radio beacons in BF4 cast a solid bright green or red on all near by surfaces.

I came from 13.11 v8, which I'll just go back to using.
 
Always excited for new AMD drivers -- but some of the reports dash my hopes.

Slight flickering on some random things in BF4, running Xfire 290's, smooth, but still not perfect.

Not overclocked at all either -- and also seeing a weird bug where sometimes when I launch my cgminer (litecoin mining) it will crash out the system and display a random pink/black series of small blocks/corruption. hard reset is the only fix.

As much as I love my 290's -- I have to express deep disappointment in the fact that for an entire new generation launch, and weeks after release, we are still sitting in "beta" status for drivers.

It's like if you were to plunk down 250 dollars for a fresh copy of Windows 8.1 but at the desktop after you are all setup you have a huge "BETA SOFTWARE" in the corner. I'm sure you'd feel a little miffed you plunked down a wad of cash for essentially amounts to a test.
 
a agree i really wish i waited for some non reference 290x's. would have had better cooling and maybe the drivers would have been ironed out better.
 
i have intermittant black screen / display loss using the last 13.11 beta with a new 7790, i put it down to the old Asus KFN32 D SLI motherboard, but maybe (hopefully) it is a temporary driver issue...
 
Always excited for new AMD drivers -- but some of the reports dash my hopes.

Slight flickering on some random things in BF4, running Xfire 290's, smooth, but still not perfect.

Not overclocked at all either -- and also seeing a weird bug where sometimes when I launch my cgminer (litecoin mining) it will crash out the system and display a random pink/black series of small blocks/corruption. hard reset is the only fix.

As much as I love my 290's -- I have to express deep disappointment in the fact that for an entire new generation launch, and weeks after release, we are still sitting in "beta" status for drivers.

It's like if you were to plunk down 250 dollars for a fresh copy of Windows 8.1 but at the desktop after you are all setup you have a huge "BETA SOFTWARE" in the corner. I'm sure you'd feel a little miffed you plunked down a wad of cash for essentially amounts to a test.

You have been here 10 years and yet all that matters is that the driver works, WHQL does not guarantee anything when it comes to gaming and all it does is add cost and delay, NVidia withdraws 196.75WHQL- Disrupts Fans Causing Overheating

WHQL does not mean better than BETA when it comes to drivers, early adopters are always the testers regardless of what the driver is called, WHQL would not change that one bit and that goes for both brands, with some people modding the NV 6 series install inf to use with the NV 7 series when it came out because the driver that came on the CD didn't work correctly and there was nothing else available the did officially.
 
Last edited:
You have been here 10 years and yet all that matters is that the driver works, WHQL does not guarantee anything when it comes to gaming and all it does is add cost and delay, NVidia withdraws 196.75WHQL- Disrupts Fans Causing Overheating

WHQL does not mean better than BETA when it comes to drivers, early adopters are always the testers regardless of what the driver is called, WHQL would not change that one bit and that goes for both brands, with some people modding the NV 6 series install inf to use with the NV 7 series when it came out because the driver that came on the CD didn't work correctly and there was nothing else available the did officially.

Although I get what your trying to point out, why is it that it is normal in the computer industry that you have to accept going through a 'test' phase as an early adopter?

Think about any other industry and it would seem silly, for instance take the car industry, would it be 'normal' if you bought a new car and you have to wait weeks if not months before you can use the brakes or steering wheel correctly ?

So why is it that when we buy a product costing over $400, we can't expect it to work correctly? Wouldn't it be more reasonable that they had a non-beta driver available at launch?

Of course problems can occur, but releasing a card that doesn't even have a release driver, seems to me like they were rushing the card.
For me there is no excuse of releasing a card with beta drivers.

Beta=test != ready for release.
 
Although I get what your trying to point out, why is it that it is normal in the computer industry that you have to accept going through a 'test' phase as an early adopter?

Think about any other industry and it would seem silly, for instance take the car industry, would it be 'normal' if you bought a new car and you have to wait weeks if not months before you can use the brakes or steering wheel correctly ?

So why is it that when we buy a product costing over $400, we can't expect it to work correctly? Wouldn't it be more reasonable that they had a non-beta driver available at launch?

Of course problems can occur, but releasing a card that doesn't even have a release driver, seems to me like they were rushing the card.
For me there is no excuse of releasing a card with beta drivers.

Beta=test != ready for release.

That's the way the computing and gaming industry is whether we like it or not, its not like other industries and that goes for the hardware and the Software/Games and when users have been around a certain amount of time they should not come across as if this is all new to them as if that's not how it used to be, many just like to build up false expectations based on what it should be ideally than what it normally is.

And i have already answered the beta driver point because they could of released any driver as WHQL with all the bugs intact, how is that any better besides being a physiological placebo and it happens a lot as well and i already gave an example of WHQL being no better and worse at times,

The very same driver that was causing the black screens could of been released as WHQL, but for some reason that makes it alright because its WHQL and the bugs and issues come second to that, that is sending a message of dont worry about the bugs AMD/NV just make sure its WHQL certified because that's more important to us than the quality of the driver itself.

The facts are.

1) Moaning that the driver is beta with lots of issues.
2) Moaning about a WHQL certified with lots of issues plus extra delay and extra cost for no gain.
3) 1+2= still moaning about the issues and clearly the WHQL certified didn't make a damn bit of difference to the quality because there is no magic going on with WHQL when it comes to bugs, many times users moan that the WHQL is the same buggy driver that was the previous beta.

All that WHQL certified mean is that it was tested by MS and AMD/NV say its ready for the majority because they say so and not because it is in fact ready.
AMD used to have a WHQL driver every month, what good came of it, nothing at all and AMD drivers are better over all now than they have ever been (even on my 2x5970 Quadfire) but when it comes to early adoptions shite happens and that goes for game as well that need patches and updates to fix bugs and we have brought this on our self's with pre ordering and buying stuff on release at gouging prices.

We can all moan as much as we like but if we keep throwing money at them first from the get go then nothing is doing to change until people speak with the wallet first and buy when the major issues are fixed first and let them know that is why we are not buying.
 
Last edited:
I'd like to see driver blog announcements for old bugs that are getting attention.
 
i have intermittant black screen / display loss using the last 13.11 beta with a new 7790, i put it down to the old Asus KFN32 D SLI motherboard, but maybe (hopefully) it is a temporary driver issue...
Ugh... I had kernel crashes with 13.9 (minidump written in LiveKernelReports\WATCHDOG, instead of its usual place) and had to revert to the "7790 performance driver". That one sometimes gives me a BSOD or a non-minidump crash on shutdown.

I was hoping for 13.11 to finally be stable, but your post makes me sad :(
 
That's the way the computing and gaming industry is whether we like it or not, its not like other industries and that goes for the hardware and the Software/Games and when users have been around a certain amount of time they should not come across as if this is all new to them as if that's not how it used to be, many just like to build up false expectations based on what it should be ideally than what it normally is.

And i have already answered the beta driver point because they could of released any driver as WHQL with all the bugs intact, how is that any better besides being a physiological placebo and it happens a lot as well and i already gave an example of WHQL being no better and worse at times,

The very same driver that was causing the black screens could of been released as WHQL, but for some reason that makes it alright because its WHQL and the bugs and issues come second to that, that is sending a message of dont worry about the bugs AMD/NV just make sure its WHQL certified because that's more important to us than the quality of the driver itself.

The facts are.

1) Moaning that the driver is beta with lots of issues.
2) Moaning about a WHQL certified with lots of issues plus extra delay and extra cost for no gain.
3) 1+2= still moaning about the issues and clearly the WHQL certified didn't make a damn bit of difference to the quality because there is no magic going on with WHQL when it comes to bugs, many times users moan that the WHQL is the same buggy driver that was the previous beta.

All that WHQL certified mean is that it was tested by MS and AMD/NV say its ready for the majority because they say so and not because it is in fact ready.
AMD used to have a WHQL driver every month, what good came of it, nothing at all and AMD drivers are better over all now than they have ever been (even on my 2x5970 Quadfire) but when it comes to early adoptions shite happens and that goes for game as well that need patches and updates to fix bugs and we have brought this on our self's with pre ordering and buying stuff on release at gouging prices.

We can all moan as much as we like but if we keep throwing money at them first from the get go then nothing is doing to change until people speak with the wallet first and buy when the major issues are fixed first and let them know that is why we are not buying.

I don't care if it says "WHQL" on the driver -- I care if it works, plain and simple. They could put "alpha/beta/whatever on the driver name, and if it worked, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fact is there are driver issues, for quite a few people. This is nothing new with AMD, they have been making efforts of course, but at the end of the day I gave them a stack of money, and I expect it to work. I'm not running some sort of crazy exotic OS or hardware setup, so there is an expectation that when I go to do something it won't bomb out with graphical corruption or a black screen. I realize it costs time and money to get a driver WHQL certified....bugs can always make it past, but at least there is SOME attempt at quality control. I would never expect every release to be certified. My point is that they launched their flagship under a beta flag. To someone that looks at the situation from far back, it sends a subtle message that "hey we can't get our shit together for our new generation launch driver wise, we are going to slap a big BETA sticker on it to absolve us of any responsibility for the time being.

Again, I love the hardware, there is incredible value to be had in a 290, but what is the point of any of that when I constantly have to worry about the latest beta driver breaking more things than it fixes?

You apologize on behalf of "the industry" -- sadly it's not just the GPU/gaming industry that's following this trend. The automobile industry can easily push out a new model without fully testing only to recall later. The attitude of "fuck it, lets just get the product on the market, we will fix all the little problems later" just doesn't fly in the long run. I've been an AMD guy for the past severla generations of video cards (last nvidia product I owned was a GTX280) and the only thing that has me eyeing the green camp is their polished driver set.

I sell you a car -- the starter is some next generation do-dad that's awesome when it works, but it only works 75% of the time. You plunked down a pretty penny for it, but have no right to complain when it doesn't work because I was sneaky enough to slap a huge "BETA STARTER" on the device with the promise of "I'm working on it". That shit doesn't fly in the automotive world, why should it fly here?
 
I don't care if it says "WHQL" on the driver -- I care if it works, plain and simple. They could put "alpha/beta/whatever on the driver name, and if it worked, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fact is there are driver issues, for quite a few people. This is nothing new with AMD, they have been making efforts of course, but at the end of the day I gave them a stack of money, and I expect it to work. I'm not running some sort of crazy exotic OS or hardware setup, so there is an expectation that when I go to do something it won't bomb out with graphical corruption or a black screen. I realize it costs time and money to get a driver WHQL certified....bugs can always make it past, but at least there is SOME attempt at quality control. I would never expect every release to be certified. My point is that they launched their flagship under a beta flag. To someone that looks at the situation from far back, it sends a subtle message that "hey we can't get our shit together for our new generation launch driver wise, we are going to slap a big BETA sticker on it to absolve us of any responsibility for the time being.

Again, I love the hardware, there is incredible value to be had in a 290, but what is the point of any of that when I constantly have to worry about the latest beta driver breaking more things than it fixes?

You apologize on behalf of "the industry" -- sadly it's not just the GPU/gaming industry that's following this trend. The automobile industry can easily push out a new model without fully testing only to recall later. The attitude of "fuck it, lets just get the product on the market, we will fix all the little problems later" just doesn't fly in the long run. I've been an AMD guy for the past severla generations of video cards (last nvidia product I owned was a GTX280) and the only thing that has me eyeing the green camp is their polished driver set.

I sell you a car -- the starter is some next generation do-dad that's awesome when it works, but it only works 75% of the time. You plunked down a pretty penny for it, but have no right to complain when it doesn't work because I was sneaky enough to slap a huge "BETA STARTER" on the device with the promise of "I'm working on it". That shit doesn't fly in the automotive world, why should it fly here?

Im not apologizing im just stating the facts of how it is because nowhere did say its not there fault and neither did i say they that's its Ok for them to do what they are doing.

There is a difference between how things should be and how things are, there is nothing wrong with moaning about issues and what we should expect but dont put it across as OMG this it not how it has been in the past when its comes to early adoption, its normally been flawless, i have been shafted i didn't expect issues, there are plenty of post here with people posting issues that are not coming across as so.

Hence why i waited before i plonked £2000 down on my GPUs.

And for the last year and a half i have been following the official NV forums and trust me things are not rosy at all even for users of the 400 and 500 series let alone early adopters of the 700 series who had to mod 600 series drivers to get there 700 series to work.

Now personally i dont have much to moan about and its not because i have accepted all the issues, its because i dont have many to complain about because i wait before buying.

And your car analogy is totally out of place, a buggy driver on a gaming pc is not potentially fatal to the user.
 
Last edited:
You know, when BF3 came out and the 6950HD was hot I ordered both and really enjoyed playing on my AMD eyefinity setup. I was a prior NVIDIA fanboy but wanted to give eyefinity a try. Man I really enjoyed playing BF3 in eyefinity.

Next BF4 comes out and the hot new R9 290 AMD card comes out. I pre-purchase BF4 and had nothing but problems, like everyone else when it first came out. I was so upset I got a refund for it.

Next I find out they fixed all the issues with BF4 and that AMDs new R9 290 kickass card comes with BF4 for free!! I jump all over that! New fast card for my eyefinity setup and I get BF4 for free. I read a few reviews from reputable web sites and they all say the 290 rocks, kickass card, bang for the buck and some are even able to flash it to 290x bios and unlock it. I'm thinking 6950HD shader unlock mod etc. Man I'm pumped!

I've been trying to play BF4 without issue since it came out and between the beta BS we dealt with in the game at launch and now the BS were dealing with these beta cards. I'm disappointed in AMD, DICE, and Newegg for not taking this POS card back when I've had it less them a week.

I should have paid for it in beta money...
 
^^^ BETA Cards? :p I mean, I get you. Last NV card I owned was GTX270. But as far as BF3 and BF4 go, both were horribly unstable at launch and the games had issues no matter whose GPU you had/have in your system.
 
I finally got around to trying these. Nice performance in both ghosts and bf4 without issues for me. Xfire works fine too. Played some csgo on single card mode last night and was cranking down 311fps lol
 
anyone having issues applying overdrive settings?

I don't even have the performance tab with these drivers.

oh and btw, I noticed that the fan goes above 50% with these drivers.
 
anyone having issues applying overdrive settings?

I'm another that has no Overdrive tab with these drivers. I think you can get it back to proper by completely uninstalling the drivers, booting in safe mode, and running DDU before reinstalling. But as I use Afterburner for my overclocking I haven't spent the time to try it for myself.
 
you gotta hand it to them though. Working or not, AMDs driver team is in OVERDRIVE. wait a few days, beta 9.5 or 9.6 will be out lol
 
I'm another that has no Overdrive tab with these drivers. I think you can get it back to proper by completely uninstalling the drivers, booting in safe mode, and running DDU before reinstalling. But as I use Afterburner for my overclocking I haven't spent the time to try it for myself.

I cant uninstall drivers in safe mode, I get a message telling me that you need to leave safe mode in order to proceed.
 
you cannot install from safemode.

run DDU from safe mode, reboot and install the drivers from regualr mode.
 
a great hats off to AMD -- their latest beta driver totally destroyed BF4.

Played a few rounds -- decided to upgrade. do the upgrade, restart, jumpinto a game. Audio totally destroyed now. FPS went to shit (in crossfire mode) Audio was suffering from huge delays, any movement or stress on the video card caused lag in the entire system (vent/voice coms) etc. Not tmention messive texture flickering.

This is on a NON overclocked system.

It's sad to say it doesn't surprise me -- fix one thing and break 3 other things. I've given AMD years and years, and thousands of dollars and all I want to do is play some god damn video games but yet here I am... fucking with their drivers.... again.
 
Im not apologizing im just stating the facts of how it is because nowhere did say its not there fault and neither did i say they that's its Ok for them to do what they are doing.

There is a difference between how things should be and how things are, there is nothing wrong with moaning about issues and what we should expect but dont put it across as OMG this it not how it has been in the past when its comes to early adoption, its normally been flawless, i have been shafted i didn't expect issues, there are plenty of post here with people posting issues that are not coming across as so.

Hence why i waited before i plonked £2000 down on my GPUs.

And for the last year and a half i have been following the official NV forums and trust me things are not rosy at all even for users of the 400 and 500 series let alone early adopters of the 700 series who had to mod 600 series drivers to get there 700 series to work.

Now personally i dont have much to moan about and its not because i have accepted all the issues, its because i dont have many to complain about because i wait before buying.

And your car analogy is totally out of place, a buggy driver on a gaming pc is not potentially fatal to the user.

Well you missed the point entirely on the car analogy - the point was if people give you a pile of money (for whatever it happens to be) it's not unreasonable to expect the god damn thing to work. Fatal or not, I don't get to enjoy my video game because of these fucked up drivers.

I've spent the last hour reverting back to because the latest beta 9.4 made BF4 unplayable. (audio problems, texture corruption) piss poor frame rate.

Even at this point their god damn system for identifying what driver is what is pissing me off.

Beta 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 9.4

Love the redesign of AMD's site making it fucking impossible to find a SIMPLE god damn list of all their software on a single page. How they will list downloads for 9.4 and the old school 13.9 but not have a link to each individual beta packages.

For fuck sake AMD -- i hate your god damn guts tonight. Get your fucking drivers and your website together.
 
Looks like a mess for this new beta. I will roll with 13.11 9.2. Thanks for the feedback everyone.
 
that's funny. I noticed a slight performance increase in BF4. no issues with the drivers so far. I am using a pair of 290's.
 
Well you missed the point entirely on the car analogy - the point was if people give you a pile of money (for whatever it happens to be) it's not unreasonable to expect the god damn thing to work. Fatal or not, I don't get to enjoy my video game because of these fucked up drivers.
.

The fact is its not a car the rules and regulations are completely different, there tasks are completely different, the scope of functionally and so is the understanding and the expectations from the people using them hence why Drivers/Software/Games gets knowingly released with bugs and they get away with it and patch things up later because people dont apply the same expectations too varying degrees on Drivers/Software/Games in comparison to a car period including you or would not buy or use a PC at all let a lone use multi GPU which far from perfect.
 
Last edited:
That's the way the computing and gaming industry is whether we like it or not, its not like other industries and that goes for the hardware and the Software/Games and when users have been around a certain amount of time they should not come across as if this is all new to them as if that's not how it used to be, many just like to build up false expectations based on what it should be ideally than what it normally is.

And i have already answered the beta driver point because they could of released any driver as WHQL with all the bugs intact, how is that any better besides being a physiological placebo and it happens a lot as well and i already gave an example of WHQL being no better and worse at times,

The very same driver that was causing the black screens could of been released as WHQL, but for some reason that makes it alright because its WHQL and the bugs and issues come second to that, that is sending a message of dont worry about the bugs AMD/NV just make sure its WHQL certified because that's more important to us than the quality of the driver itself.

The facts are.

1) Moaning that the driver is beta with lots of issues.
2) Moaning about a WHQL certified with lots of issues plus extra delay and extra cost for no gain.
3) 1+2= still moaning about the issues and clearly the WHQL certified didn't make a damn bit of difference to the quality because there is no magic going on with WHQL when it comes to bugs, many times users moan that the WHQL is the same buggy driver that was the previous beta.

All that WHQL certified mean is that it was tested by MS and AMD/NV say its ready for the majority because they say so and not because it is in fact ready.
AMD used to have a WHQL driver every month, what good came of it, nothing at all and AMD drivers are better over all now than they have ever been (even on my 2x5970 Quadfire) but when it comes to early adoptions shite happens and that goes for game as well that need patches and updates to fix bugs and we have brought this on our self's with pre ordering and buying stuff on release at gouging prices.

We can all moan as much as we like but if we keep throwing money at them first from the get go then nothing is doing to change until people speak with the wallet first and buy when the major issues are fixed first and let them know that is why we are not buying.

I never said that releasing whql drivers with bugs would be better, in fact what I tried to make clear is that I think it would have been nice if they released a card with drivers that don't have these issues.
So basically that they test for these kinds of problems before they release the card to the public.

I know that this isn't going to happen in the computer industry like you point out, but all I said is that I find it strange that this is tolerated, where in other industries it is not.

So to me it seems perfectly reasonable to moan and whine about a 400 dollar product that isn't working.

Understanding that the computer industry works like this, doesn't mean we also have to accept it. It sure as hell doesn't mean we can't vent our frustration about it.
 
I never said that releasing whql drivers with bugs would be better, in fact what I tried to make clear is that I think it would have been nice if they released a card with drivers that don't have these issues.
So basically that they test for these kinds of problems before they release the card to the public.

I know that this isn't going to happen in the computer industry like you point out, but all I said is that I find it strange that this is tolerated, where in other industries it is not.

So to me it seems perfectly reasonable to moan and whine about a 400 dollar product that isn't working.

Understanding that the computer industry works like this, doesn't mean we also have to accept it. It sure as hell doesn't mean we can't vent our frustration about it.

I think its tolerated because there is no fixed function when its comes to computers and programing and a massive amount of combinations of hardware and software working together.

You cant pick and chose loads of individual internal components with interchangeable parts from many different manufactures when you buy a Washing Machine, TV, Cooker, ect,..

Also with now the internet is playing a big part in distribution getting things right first time is less of a concern to them, unlike the days before the internet which is also meaning that even the Consoles are getting more bugs in games and updates to fix them, in the days of the cartridge that was not possible so it had to be right from the get go and even then its has not been as good as other industries.

And no one said about not venting frustration but people should be realistic about it and not come across as damn having issues was unexpected as if past events have lead people to believe otherwise when it comes to new releases, no one wants issues but that does not mean that issues will not be expected and expecting issues does not mean accepting them, it just means that you should not be surprised that issues exist even though a particular issue maybe unexpected .

But the biggest problem in spite of all the issues, too many still go a head and buy GPUS/Software and games and off the bat even pre ordering is growing, so they keep on doing what they are doing because of peoples own urges for wanting now and not having the patience to wait and see what they will be getting for there money is in a ready enough state.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top