Supreme Court Blocks Challenge To NSA Phone Tracking

lcpiper said:
No, LeninGHOLA, I was driving my daughter to school and couldn't get through the main gate at Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, Arizona. The traffic was backup up all the way into town and a guy was crossing the street and I asked him if he knew what was going on, he said terrorist had flown plains into the Twin Towers. I called my boss who said to go home until needed so we went home and I watched the second tower come down, and the footage from the Pentagon burning, and the the reports of Flight 93 crashing into the countryside. I watched as we learned that almost 3,000 people were killed. So no I did not cry for the Emperor but I have not forgotten these people, their families, the soldiers who have died and been hurt, their families. They are all around me every day so the Emperor is a little far from my thoughts.

They will do it again if we give them a chance, they sure haven't stopped, maybe we haven't figured out the best ways to deal with them, but it still does not change the simple fact that they sure as hell haven't offered any olive branches.
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Oh, joy. Lacking logical material, we will call upon the emotional patriot anecdote.
 
Oh, joy. Lacking logical material, we will call upon the emotional patriot anecdote.
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I think the post is clearly aimed at an immaterial comment of your own LeninGHOLA.

I'm starting to think you watched Star Wars and cried when the Emperor died.
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Or were you talking about the Emperor of Japan?
 
lcpiper said:
I think the post is clearly aimed at an immaterial comment of your own LeninGHOLA.



Or were you talking about the Emperor of Japan?
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There was nothing immaterial about it, Icpiper. Your need to introduce logical fallacies and an emotional smokescreen nets you -5 points in debate.


Yes, the Emperor of Space Japan.
 
lcpiper said:
terrorist had flown plains into the Twin Towers. I called my boss who said to go home until needed so we went home and I watched the second tower come down, and the footage from the Pentagon burning, and the the reports of Flight 93 crashing into the countryside. I watched as we learned that almost 3,000 people were killed.
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You do know that was a counter attack, right? They didn't do it because they're jealous of our big titty women and delusional freedoms. They did it because our GOV bombed them first. Just like we start shit with everyone else and then yell 'BAD GUYS/TERRORISTS' when they do anything about it.

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

Source
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It's called blowback.You can't go around the world dropping bombs on people and not expect them to do it back to you. So again...."The best way to prevent 'TERRORISM' is to stop participating in it."
 
MasonD said:
It's called blowback.You can't go around the world dropping bombs on people and not expect them to do it back to you. So again...."The best way to prevent 'TERRORISM' is to stop participating in it."
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Because those embassy attacks deserved no response...

Just because I don't support the "War on Terror" doesn't mean we're not dealing with bloodthirsty psychopaths whose goal is clearly stated as dominating the world with their religion.
 
MasonD said:
You do know that was a counter attack, right? They didn't do it because they're jealous of our big titty women and delusional freedoms. They did it because our GOV bombed them first. Just like we start shit with everyone else and then yell 'BAD GUYS/TERRORISTS' when they do anything about it.



It's called blowback.You can't go around the world dropping bombs on people and not expect them to do it back to you. So again...."The best way to prevent 'TERRORISM' is to stop participating in it."
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Eh, Bin Laden had been plotting to blow up certain targets in NYC since the very early 90's. His organization was always hell bent on destroying any "imperial" power, Soviet or Western.
 
What is this source? Do you have more on it MasonD?

It doesn't look like actually legitimate documents that have been declassified. But putting that asside there must be more to the story because it mentions he was talking about following the other guy's example and wanting to attack the US, in the first paragraph and says '97 as well.

You can say this and point the finger back at us, but the same goes the other way as well. Al Queda was formed right around the end of the Russian War in Afghanistan but it really looks like most of the last couple of decades of tit for tat can be explained by this right here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Gulf War and the start of U.S. enmity
Main article: Gulf War

Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan in February 1989, bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 had put the Kingdom and its ruling House of Saud at risk. The world's most valuable oil fields were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent.

In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.[104]

The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan.
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Stiletto said:
Because those embassy attacks deserved no response...
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Well maybe our GOV should mind its own fucking business and stop trying to take over the world under the guise of spreading democracy or stop terror (or whatever it is today), which we don't even have here. Didn't we arm and train some of the fuckers to begin with? Sounds like we have some issues on this side too. Like too many secret attempts at controlling the entire world and all its resources, in my opinion.

Just because I don't support the "War on Terror" doesn't mean we're not dealing with bloodthirsty psychopaths whose goal is clearly stated as dominating the world with their religion
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The only difference between the two sides is one has bases and one can't afford bases. Both sides are extreme. Terrorism and anti-terrorism is just language used to trick people into believing one side is better than the other when they're both doing the same exact evil shit. Except, one side is invading and one side is defending, think about it for a little while. Same exact thing with the religions involved, the leaders on top use their tools (religious extremists) to go die for the cause....and thus their false gods, both sides. Shit, that's how Christianity spread to begin with. Both sides need to stop believing their religions so the people on top can't keep using their pawns to gain more territory.


LeninGHOLA
Eh, Bin Laden had been plotting to blow up certain targets in NYC since the very early 90's. His organization was always hell bent on destroying any "imperial" power, Soviet or Western.
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Well, according to that official presidential document Bin Laden seemed really mad after we tried to blow him up in 98. I'm going off of that.
 
MasonD said:
Well, according to that official presidential document Bin Laden seemed really mad after we tried to blow him up in 98. I'm going off of that.
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Yea, but that was after the first embassy bombing and declaration of fatwah.
 
MasonD said:
The only difference between the two sides is one has bases and one can't afford bases. Both sides are extreme.
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Sure, yeah. They throw acid the faces of girls going to school, and we give Alec Baldwin a TV show. I fully agree. You have a very insightful and balanced view of the conflict. There is no sarcasm whatsoever in this response. Have a nice day.
 
Stiletto said:
Sure, yeah. They throw acid the faces of girls going to school, and we give Alec Baldwin a TV show. I fully agree. You have a very insightful and balanced view of the conflict. There is no sarcasm whatsoever in this response. Have a nice day.
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Like there are no crazy's here though either (good and bad in all kinds). Sure they sound like terrible people but so does what some do here, too. There is no sarcasm here. Thanks, I'll try to have a good day.
 
C'mon. Alec Baldwin was really good in 30 Rock. Who cares if he is mentally unstable?
 
But this still goes back to the Cold War years and the Russian invasion of Pakistan which happened while I was in college in like 1979 ish. Maybe Ike and Truman should have listened to Patton and just rolled over Russia and killed it before it could grow. But people didn't want any more war, they were tired of it, and little bitty Korea became a years long mess that still is a pain in the ass cause we didn't want to fight a real fight, and Vietnam was a police action cause we didn't want to call it a war even though that's what it was and is today. And then we begin the War on Terror, and we said we would stick it out but we don't, so now we play regicide with Drones cause it's much neater and cheaper then putting out soldiers out there to help people and get close enough to them that they start to see that we are not all that bad.

Iraq was actually coming along, I guess it was just costing us too much to pull it off. but maybe, maybe the seeds of friendship and there own freedom will grow. I know many of you either don't see that or dismiss it as bullshit, but it really does happen and really does have an impact.

But those radical Islamic dudes are bad news, what they do to women and kids. Their beliefs don't leave much room for getting along.
 
MasonD said:
Like there are no crazy's here though either (good and bad in all kinds).
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Yeah, yeah, mm hmm. Yep. I've heard this from feminists who compare the Taliban to Christians in America. Yep. This is some of the stuff they do:

When a Taliban raid discovered a woman running an informal school in her apartment, they beat the children and threw the woman down a flight of stairs (breaking her leg), and then imprisoned her. They threatened to stone her family publicly if she refused to sign a declaration of loyalty to the Taliban and their laws.[13]

An Afghan girl named Bibi Aisha was promised to a new family through a tribal method of solving disputes known as baad. When she fled the violence girls often suffer under baad, her new family found her and a Taliban commander ordered her punished as an example, "lest other girls in the village try to do the same thing".[30] Her ears and nose were cut off and she was left for dead in the mountains, but survived.[30]

Working women are threatened into quitting their jobs. Failure to comply with Taliban's threats has led to women being shot and killed as in the case of 22-year old Hossai in July 2010.[31]
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Just like in this country, where we actually have a debate about whether the government should pay for women's birth control. Oh, and if you think it shouldn't, you're the same as those Afghani guys. Because yeah.

The Westboro Baptist Church is reviled nationwide simply for being obnoxious assholes, but we're the same.

Here, rape is a crime. There, it's a punishment. Because the only difference is bases.

Fucking brilliant, my son.
 
Stiletto said:
Because those embassy attacks deserved no response...

Just because I don't support the "War on Terror" doesn't mean we're not dealing with bloodthirsty psychopaths whose goal is clearly stated as dominating the world with their religion.[/QUOTE]

Too bad we don't deal with Christians the same way. You know, because they haven't dominated the world (read: forced at every chance) with their beliefs.
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Ruoh said:
Stiletto said:
Because those embassy attacks deserved no response...

Just because I don't support the "War on Terror" doesn't mean we're not dealing with bloodthirsty psychopaths whose goal is clearly stated as dominating the world with their religion.[/QUOTE]

Too bad we don't deal with Christians the same way. You know, because they haven't dominated the world (read: forced at every chance) with their beliefs.
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Recently?
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Ruoh said:
Too bad we don't deal with Christians the same way. You know, because they haven't dominated the world (read: forced at every chance) with their beliefs.
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Yeah, brah. Every morning I have to sift through headlines of bombings and executions carried out by Christian fundamentalists. They really need to stop the Jesushad. I'm sick of their barbaric demands that women wear clothes and get jobs and strive to become wealthy, successful people. What is this, the 20th century???
 
Stiletto said:
Yeah, brah. Every morning I have to sift through headlines of bombings and executions carried out by Christian fundamentalists. They really need to stop the Jesushad. I'm sick of their barbaric demands that women wear clothes and get jobs and strive to become wealthy, successful people. What is this, the 20th century???
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I can see you don't get the bigger picture. Carry on.
 
Too bad we don't deal with Christians the same way. You know, because they haven't dominated the world (read: forced at every chance) with their beliefs.
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The closest I have ever come to being forced to Church was;

When I was just a kid, cause Mom and dad are going and 7 year olds are just too young to be home alone so yea, your going to church.

When I married my Korean Wife in Korea, marriage was held in the Post Chapel, had to have it somewhere and even though almost the entire family was Buddhist, we sure as hell weren't getting married at the snack bar. Her family has always treated me great.

Ummm, yea that's about it. Doesn't look the same as what we keep remembering but nothing has changed and those Christians force so much on us.
 
Ruoh said:
It's easier these days. Just have a crap ton of kids and indoctrinate at an early age. The age of the sword is over, it's easier to just pay politicians to do it for them.
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Sounds pretty civilized, tbh.
 
Ruoh said:
I can see you don't get the bigger picture. Carry on.
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You're right. I'm focusing on trivial things like rights of people and the freedom to exercise those rights without the threat of violence. I'm focusing on cultures of tolerance versus cultures that cut off fingertips if nail polish is on them. I'm focusing on what various religious extremists actually do NOW as opposed to what they did centuries ago.

Seriously, I might as well be watching the Kardashians, I'm so oblivious. Carry on. Paint the bigger picture, entity of omnipotence.
 
Ruoh said:
We might be a whole lot more civilized if we weren't held back technologically for nearly 500 years.
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Yeah, we would have totally had the internet during the Black Death and the CDC could have put out warnings.

Man, we got a couple of Nobel prize winners today!
 
Stiletto said:
You're right. I'm focusing on trivial things like rights of people and the freedom to exercise those rights without the threat of violence. I'm focusing on cultures of tolerance versus cultures that cut off fingertips if nail polish is on them. I'm focusing on what various religious extremists actually do NOW as opposed to what they did centuries ago.

Seriously, I might as well be watching the Kardashians, I'm so oblivious. Carry on. Paint the bigger picture, entity of omnipotence.
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Wait, what? Rights of the people, and freedom to exercise those rights.... by the same government that brought you the TSA etc? Culture of tolerance? I MUST be missing something here.
 
The "Dark Ages" were more caused by the collapse of the (Christian) Roman Empire and the shifting of cultural power out of Europe to the Near East than anything else.
 
Ruoh said:
Wait, what? Rights of the people, and freedom to exercise those rights.... by the same government that brought you the TSA etc? Culture of tolerance? I MUST be missing something here.
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Yes, because comparing the pattern of thuggery of the TSA...for which there is public scrutiny, record, and the ability to seek redress...to the Taliban stoning people to death for crimes that would be considered misdemeanors at worst...is totally awesome.

/sarc off

Yeah, you have missed something here. I've argued at length with lcpiper about how tyrannical our government has become, from the TSA to the ATF to the NSA to the White House to local goddamned law enforcement that I see little differently than a gang with badges in some areas. But please lecture me about how the system we have set up is nothing more than a Christian theocracy indistinguishable from people who cheer at planes full of innocent people being flown into buildings of innocent people. Shit, at least we have the right to say that what military actions our government carries out are wrong.

The irony is that you talk about extremism while demonstrating it in 8k at 600Hz.
 
We are fighting a war that will dictate how long civilization is going to last.

If nuclear proliferation continues, how much restraint do you see Islamic Imperialists (Muslim groups aiming towards world domination) using? First against infidels, then Shiite vs. Sunni.

Assuming the Nuclear Option is off-the-table for NATO, Warsaw Pact (whatever), China, Israel, and India, what weapons are allowable to stop them?

This has nothing to do with Communists, Atheists, Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists. Currently none of those groups is taking Imperialist positions. So comparing Islamist Imperialists to other groups is laughable. The other groups aren't trying to overthrow governments through force of arms.
 
I've argued at length with lcpiper about how tyrannical our government has become, from the TSA to the ATF to the NSA to the White House
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Actually It's usually just the NSA stuff that is a button thing for me and Stiletto sure knows how to push it.

I think he does it as a barometer thing, like if I respond then he is assured the Sun will still rise the next morning.

The TSA, I know one of those bastards stole a pocket knife out of my bags. But I don't know his name and I don't blame the group, just that scumbag thief.

The ATF, well, mostly I just wish we could get our gun laws straightened out because that is the cause of a lot of that crap, the laws are written shitty to start with.

The White House or current administration with their appointees like Holder and Hillary, well Hillary is just a bitch, she treated the Soldiers who served in the White House communications room like shit when she was 1st Bitch and I don't believe for a moment that she has changed any at all. She didn't care about them, she didn't care about our Embassy people when they were alive and she doesn't give a damn about them now they are dead unless she can find a way to leverage their memory for her next Presidential Campaign bid.

Eric Holder is just a 1st class tool. He was a tool before 2008 and he has been a tool as AG of the US ever since.

I can't complain about local law enforcement here, but it's a small town. I have heard of some shitty cops in the bigger cities but I still think of most of it as the few rotten apples thing and in a bigger police force you'll see a lot more of it. Has to have an impact on a person's world view.
 
lcpiper said:
I can't complain about local law enforcement here, but it's a small town. I have heard of some shitty cops in the bigger cities but I still think of most of it as the few rotten apples thing and in a bigger police force you'll see a lot more of it. Has to have an impact on a person's world view.
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This may seem like a shallow metric, but I go with the idea that once Cracked is writing articles about a problem, it is officially a real problem.
 
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