From CRT to TFT - your recomendations

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Hi guys!
Don't know really where to start:D
I have Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454 [19" CRT], like, for 10 years and i think some colors burnt out a little, so for the past three years I've been in search of a successor and from time to time i was reading reviews with hope to find at least something close to CRT quality.
I want not a big screen(maybe 24") for internet surfing=reading(most of the time), gaming and last but not least watching movies and it's all around $500.
For now people suggested me this:
- ASUS PB248Q
- ASUS MX239H
- ASUS PA248Q
- BenQ BL2411PT
- DELL P2414H
- DELL U2412M
- Samsung SyncMaster S24A850DW
- NEC MultiSync EA244WMi
So what you think of them and maybe you've got some others suggestions?

Thanks in advance and sorry if i've got some spelling mistakes.
 
Add HP Z24i to your list. How is your room? Lots of sunlight? Do you need anti-glare or are you OK with reflections?
 
My advice is to pick stores with good return policies and test the water for a while. Try 120hz TN, IPS, VA. There is no way around it if one lack reference, in my opinion.
 
4ort said:
Add HP Z24i to your list. How is your room? Lots of sunlight? Do you need anti-glare or are you OK with reflections?
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unfortunately HP Z24i costs more then 500$(~565$) in my country. About my room, yeah, it has a lots of sunlight and to be honest I'm tired of reflections(table near a window) so I need AG coating.
CrabJuice
and what you can suggest in 120hz TN and VA range as my list mostly IPS?
 
You want the Asus PB248Q (PRAD Review) or BenQ BL2411PT (PRAD Review) (English Review) both of which use higher LED PWM Dimming Frequencies (PWM Side Effects) than the PA248Q+U2412 and have lighter matte coatings while also offering better overall performance. No point in considering any of the others since the PB248Q and BL2411PT are the best. The S24A850D often suffers from back-light bleeding, the NEC EA244WMi (uses PWM) & HP Z24i suffer from matte coating cross-hatching, the MX239H uses PWM and the P2414 has a lower resolution.
 
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NCX
thanks for such detailed response, I'll try to find them in stores and watch them in action.
 
For 24" latest generation VA there is pretty much only Samsung S24C750P that is verified. BenQ has a few models on the way. But if you want to get an idea how VA differs you can just get any model with previous generation VA panels.

For 120+hz TN there are boatloads of threads on this forum to browse about all the details.

As for the reason for trying out 120hz or VA is that when going from CRT its difficult to know what annoys you the most. Some people like IPS because of the colors and viewing angles and decent response time. But some people hate IPS because of IPS glow. Some people prefer VA cause of the better blacks (that you get on CRT). But some people hate VA cause its slow response time, contrast shift and weaker colors. Some people prefer 120hz and good response times, perhaps lightboost because they used their CRT in high refresh rates. But some people hate 120hz TN cause of colors,viewing angles,gamma shift.
 
CrabJuice
thanks, never heard about the Samsung S24C750P and I couldn't find any reviews of it.

As for the annoying part, all drawbacks that you can't find on CRT annoys me equivalently, that's why I still hesitate.
 
http://www.svethardware.cz/recenze-samsung-s24c750p-necekane-odlisny/38413

You've also got the S27P750P and GW2760HS reviews out there. But they are 27" 1080p.

Well. CRT has drawbacks too. Like convergence issues. Analog cabling. Size/weight, of course. It also flickers. Granted the flicker is not as annoying as LED PWM flicker or CCFL flicker, but it still flickers. A PWM free LCD might improve your "monitor eye fatigue" in that regard.
 
NCX said:
You want the Asus PB248Q (PRAD Review) or BenQ BL2411PT (PRAD Review) (English Review) both of which use higher LED PWM Dimming Frequencies
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Good options for the OP, but it got me wondering. Why would those monitors be any different than the other 24" 16:10 s-rgb AH-IPS models as far as cross-hatching goes? Aren't they all using the same exact panel? I realize the problem is most likely in the coating, but aren't they more or less the same coatings too? I guess I'm just wondering if the cross-hatching issue is just a random problem, so some reviewers see it, some don't, and the models may not necessarily even matter (as far as 16:10 flavors go).
 
Only semi-glossy AH-IPS (Z24i, EA244Wmi, U2713HM, P27T-6) and the semi-glossy Eizo FG2421 have cross-hatching issues. The PB & BL have stronger coatings.
 
NCX said:
Only semi-glossy AH-IPS (Z24i, EA244Wmi, U2713HM, P27T-6) and the semi-glossy Eizo FG2421 have cross-hatching issues. The PB & BL have stronger coatings.
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The 16:10 24" s-rgb AH-IPS models all use the same panel though? I guess I just find it weird that the same exact panel comes in varying coatings, as I thought that was done by LG, not the manufacturer.
 
Been searching for 3 years myself. Just can't stand to play games with motion blur. Fortunately, early next year we *should* finally see the first blur-free LCDs that are good enough to satisfy any gamer, and are in your price range. NCX knows his stuff though. If blur-free gaming isn't critical to you go with his recommendations.
 
Maybe I'm out of the loop, what is wrong with Korean 1440p monitors? I love my Catleap, 1440p IPS @ 120hz? Glossy too no over done matte. Think I paid $399? $499 with shipping maybe.

I don't see replacing it until I can get a 39" 4k TV, or maybe getting a lightbost2 monitor on the side just for gaming... but honestly I don't play any games that really need it. Fast FPS games seem to be out of style.
 
CrabJuice
thanks, as for CRT drawbacks, i don't think they are significant, except, maybe, convergence(don't have it) and flickering(on 85Hz don't feel it).
Oofloom
can you give a link to article or thread about this new kind of panels?
bexamous
maybe they are great but i don't like possibility of buying a pig in a poke(bad pixels and etc.)
 
I think Crabjuice has some of the best advice... whatever you get, get from a place with no-hassle returns.

I had used CRTs for years, and had the hardest time moving over to LCDs. But that was because at the time I kept trying TN panels. I wasn't aware that angles had to be god awful, or that ghosting could be avoided, and that sort of thing.

As for LCD options, it's pick your poison -- VAs, nice blacks, so-so angles, so-so response times ... IPS, glow, mediocre blacks, better color accuracy ... TNs, lousy angles, worse color accuracy, faster response time.

As for motion blur, the current best panel would be the Eizo FG241. But it has downsides too .. entire thread here, which I expect you have seen. NVIDIA G-Sync may be what Oofloom is referring to, but I think they will start off with TN panels? If they go with IPS, and if Lightboost ever gets to IPS, then it's another story.

There is also aspect ratio to consider. Going from 4:3 to 16:9 can be painful for some. 16:10 may be easier, so look at the models NCX recommended.
 
Yeah I was referring to the G-Sync monitors mainly. G-Sync itself doesn't do anything to reduce motion blur. It's just that G-Sync monitors (or at least the G-sync monitors we know are coming) will also support blur-free modes. It's an Nvidia thing though so you'll need an Nvidia card (600 series or more recent I believe). But there will be more monitors like the Eizo FG241 that are non-G-Sync but still feature blur-free modes. Just no idea when they'll start showing up.
 
Thank you guys for all your suggestions and help! I Bought today Asus PB248Q(hard to find them here).
Calibrated it like suggested there(http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/5396...bzor_i_testirovanie_monitora_ASUS_PB248Q.html) :
•Brightness – 90;
•Contrast – 65;
•Color Temp. – 6500K (100/98/99);
•Gamma – 2.2;
•Trace Free – 20.
But with this setting red feels too saturated
Unfortunately I have some backlight leakage on bottom corners but it's bearable.
In games I already experiencing more stuttering with my old XFX Radeon HD 5870, so maybe i need new video card too.
All in all I like it!
 
Nice to hear. Personally, I'm returning the monitor, for reasons outlined in another thread. To put it short: too bright for me even at minimum brightness and IPS glow in bottom corner bothers me a lot.
 
4ort said:
Nice to hear. Personally, I'm returning the monitor, for reasons outlined in another thread. To put it short: too bright for me even at minimum brightness and IPS glow in bottom corner bothers me a lot.
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yeah, glow bothering me more and more, watched some movies and it's bit annoying (inverted colors and grey blacks in corners), but in my country hard to return monitors with glow(need to be diagnosed by SC and glowing part must be above 20% of all panel)
 
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