NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Aphid said:
Does anyone know what has happened to this?

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The panels also don't quite fit together properly on that case. Swapping the panels with the black case (which is perfect) gives the same result, so it appears to be the chassis :(
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I sent you a PM, email me at [email protected]
 
I have 2x tracking #'s -- "Despatch 0025" -- Taiwan sort facility as of 31 October. I was on early shipment list 1. Hope they arrive soon, I'll be in Germany after turkey day for a couple weeks and the wife might just burn them :p
 
I'll have to check mine when I get home. I don't expect to see anything yet since I live in FL. I suppose I should start thinking what mobo to go with the 4770k I already have. Not to mention which type of cpu cooler.

Edit: Nope, no tracking number yet.
 
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commander_ said:
Has anyone on the east coast US received their tracking numbers yet? Just wondering if I'm the only one who didn't. :p
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drklu said:
I'm on the west coast and haven't received anything. Are you on a early shipment list ?
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commander_ said:
I see... NJ here and nothing yet... :(
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Wenglish said:
NJ here, too, and nothing yet. These people and their tracking numbers, they're just jealous of our pork roll sandwiches.
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ptrout said:
NY and nothing for me either. So not alone on the east coast.
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slabhatnik said:
no tracking number to me in VT either.... checking every 5 minutes tho...:D
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East coast, no priority. Still haven't received tracking here either.
 
How do you guys know what shipping list your on? (1 or 2)

My ncase account just says "early shipment list"

whats the difference between 1 & 2 also :)
 
I'm in VA and I got a tracking number, but no real info like everyone else.

None the less, exciting.
 
MiLk said:
How do you guys know what shipping list your on? (1 or 2)

My ncase account just says "early shipment list"

whats the difference between 1 & 2 also :)
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It's from the first Indiegogo campaign that funded the prototype. There was an option to donate $10 for Early Shipment 1 or 2. If you are on the list then you must have paid towards one of those donation tiers.
 
To the person who got the H220 to fit on the ROG Impact: how do you "bend" the daughter board slightly out? I'm guessing that literally bending the PCB isn't the actual solution.
 
Andorski said:
To the person who got the H220 to fit on the ROG Impact: how do you "bend" the daughter board slightly out? I'm guessing that literally bending the PCB isn't the actual solution.
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Yes, literally bending. PCB can actually take quite a bit of stress before fracturing.

If you want to avoid bending, replace the fittings and tubing with no fittings and smaller diameter tubing + some other kind of leak insurance, like zip ties. This is my current plan.
 
M4rk said:
If you want to avoid bending, replace the fittings and tubing with no fittings and smaller diameter tubing + some other kind of leak insurance, like zip ties. This is my current plan.
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I'll probably go that route with 3/8"IDx1/2"OD tubing.

Hopefully zip ties will be enough to keep a good seal. Looking at Necere's watercooling test, it seems like he didn't use any type of fitting.

[edit] On second thought, I don't think using smaller tubing would help all that much. The lip of the corner elbow pipe is flush with the tube+fitting.

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So even while using smaller tubing the lip will still be hitting the daughter board.
 
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Andorski said:
Looking at Necere's watercooling test, it seems like he didn't use any type of fitting:
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I didn't initially, but later I used clamps on the tubing at the radiator barbs, since it seemed somewhat loose. Barbs at the pump were okay without.
 
Andorski said:
I'll probably go that route with 3/8"IDx1/2"OD tubing.

Hopefully zip ties will be enough to keep a good seal. Looking at Necere's watercooling test, it seems like he didn't use any type of fitting.

[edit] On second thought, I don't think using smaller tubing would help all that much. The lip of the corner elbow pipe is flush with the tube+fitting.

So even while using smaller tubing the lip will still be hitting the daughter board.
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Are those corner elbow pipes locked into place? Also, this is with the armor cover thingy still on the daughter board right?

I wouldn't run the system without the cover / heatsink, but if I had that board I *might* consider modding it .. like, sand down a small divot or something to make it fit, maybe. Or, I see that the heatsink has a couple of angled slots in it. If the corner elbows are rotatable, you might be able to rotate it forward a bit and have the extra-wide lip thingy fall into that area.

But yeah it's definitely easier (and probably better) to leave everything intact and swap out for a different cooler :(.

Washington here, no priority list, no tracking info. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve, but I can't sneak a peak because all the presents are in Taiwan somewhere :)
 
VincentHanna said:
I asked this in another thread, but:

Can I use the 'dual' SSD mount behind the optical drive bay (front interior) with a 240mm radiator? Anyone tried this yet.

SSD's are both 7mm thick.
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Necere said:
Not with the H220 rad, but it's 285mm long. Typical 240 CLC rads are ~275mm long, but the answer is still 'maybe' until someone tests and makes certain one way or another.
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FinnishNerdmare said:
Didnt work for me with Kuhler 1220 which has basically same rad as H100. It was very close though, few mm and I had the rads tubing on the other end.

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Now that Im thinking I used the rubber thingies that are some what thickish between the ssd and panel. Maybe without them..
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Cooler Master Seidon 240m is 273mm long and 'only' 48mm thick with fans installed.

So i'm hoping there is just enough room, though the Kuhler 1220 has the exact same dimensions :(
 
Built mine M1 yesterday. Just want to tell others, who have questions about parts ->

Asus Impact + Noctua NH-C12P SE14 fits without problems as seen on Neceres renders (with 14cm fan).

I'm using Silverstone ST45SF-G and if you want to have more disks, custom power cable is needed, because the one included is too stiff to bend if you want/need to have 2 disks together.

If you plan more SSD's or 2.5" disks - in box is included only one set (4) of screws with smaller convolution for SSDs and one set for MoBo.

Plan before you do any assembly, because all fits tightly and its almost impossible to change something when the build is done :)
 
Brenex said:
No tracking number for FL but I'm pretty sure I'm on the slow as molasses list :p
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cowsgomoo said:
For those who've already built the M1: is there a recommended sequence when assembling?
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That's what I did:

1) Take out everything (incl. the PSU bracket.)
2) Put in Motherboard (It is easier without the PSU bracket installed)
3) Put in PSU bracket + PSU
4) but in harddrives mounted direct to the case (not the fan bracket)
5) connect everything you have put in so far
6) Put in GPU & connect it
7) Put fans / HDDs on fan bracket
8) Put fan bracket in case
9) Put side panels on
10) done
 
milkcow said:
That's what I did:

1) Take out everything (incl. the PSU bracket.)
2) Put in Motherboard (It is easier without the PSU bracket installed)
3) Put in PSU bracket + PSU
4) but in harddrives mounted direct to the case (not the fan bracket)
5) connect everything you have put in so far
6) Put in GPU & connect it
7) Put fans / HDDs on fan bracket
8) Put fan bracket in case
9) Put side panels on
10) done
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Sounds like a pain already. Where does the CPU cooler come in?
 
cowsgomoo:

I can speak only for myself (aircooled), but ->

1. put all M1 panels down, the part for 2 fans/rad out, the part which holds PSU out
2. assembly MoBo + RAM + CPU + CPU cooler
3. set (fan) cables on MoBo
4. put 92mm takeout fan to M1
5. marry MoBo with M1
6. put all other cables to MoBo (especially power cables; usb, audio, ...)
7. put the part which holds PSU
8. put PSU
9. put SSD
10. put/prepare power cables for SSD/HDD/GPU/DVD|Bluray
11. put HDDs with part which holds them
... all other as you wish (GPU, DVD/Bluray, ... )

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As I've found out ->

If I'd put PSU before power cables, I'd be unable to finish assembly.
If I'd put CPU cooler after MoBo+M1 marriage it would be much more difficult to do it.
The part which holds SFX PSU needs to be put after MoBo+M1 marriage (otherwise its unable to put MoBo inside)
The part which holds SFX PSU needs to be put alone and then PSU (I've put it together and was unable to fit it inside).
SSD after SFX PSU (otherwise you are unable to fit PSU).
After CPU cooler install I was unable to put outtake 92x92x14mm noctua inside ( = MoBo out, Noctua outtake, MoBo in) :D
 
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okwchin said:
The 140mm fan based on pictures I would assume Will fit in if you bias the fan toward the bottom of the case rather than centered. This is based on my interpretation of the clipping mechanism, but seems possible. I don't have one on hand.


A second concern I have is in the horizontal heat pipe orientation, with the ends of the pipes facing the PSU, will the bottom edge of the heatsink occlude with the PSU? I don't know the exact distance between the mobo and the PSU frame, but the distance from CPU centre to mobo edge is pretty close to the figure of 85mm for the Noctua C12 in that orientation. (this is also assuming you have already installed the Mobo power cable!)
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Can anyone confirm that it is possible to place the fan off center with the clipping mechanism? To me it does not seem like it is possible from the pictures.

Regarding the second point, I believe that it is facing towards the rear, i.e. ends of the pipes face away from the PSU.
 
PiT said:
I'm using Silverstone ST45SF-G and if you want to have more disks, custom power cable is needed, because the one included is too stiff to bend if you want/need to have 2 disks together.
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Flip one of the drives over, so the power cable is next to a sata connector. I don't know how the ncase hdd mounts are, but I have managed to fit a 9.5mm hdd with a 7mm SSD sitting tight against each other, using the stock power cables.
 
pndc said:
Can anyone confirm that it is possible to place the fan off center with the clipping mechanism? To me it does not seem like it is possible from the pictures.
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If you have C12P heatsink oriented with heatpipes to rear (MoBo back connectors), you can place the SE14 fan of center in front-rear position, but not in top-down position (some small movements are possible due to the clipping mechanism construction).
 
okwchin said:
Flip one of the drives over, so the power cable is next to a sata connector. I don't know how the ncase hdd mounts are, but I have managed to fit a 9.5mm hdd with a 7mm SSD sitting tight against each other, using the stock power cables.
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I've 2 3.5HDDs + 1 SSD, If I'd flip SSD and 1 HDD I think it could be possible. Can try later.
 
PiT said:
If you have C12P heatsink oriented with heatpipes to rear (MoBo back connectors), you can place the SE14 fan of center in front-rear position, but not in top-down position (some small movements are possible due to the clipping mechanism construction).
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So you can place it off center in the front rear position, so that the fan does not extend from the heatsink towards to the top of the chassis at all.I didn't think it could be moved down around 7-8 mm with the clipping mechanism, but it's great that I can.

I might pick this one up then and try it out. Hopefully I will not have to return it.

Thanks!
 
pndc said:
So you can place it off center in the front rear position, so that the fan does not extend from the heatsink towards to the top of the chassis at all.I didn't think it could be moved down around 7-8 mm with the clipping mechanism, but it's great that I can.

I might pick this one up then and try it out. Hopefully I will not have to return it.

Thanks!
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front-rear YES (parallel with heatpipes)
top-down NO (its possible 1-2mm)

C12P fits Asus Impact only in "heatpipes towards rear" position and it fits into M1 even if the fan extends towards top.

If you can put the C12P on your motherboard with heatpipes towards bottom and it fits M1, then yes. Otherwise not.

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tower case -> asus impact -> 3. and 4. possible; 4 only without exhaust fan
when 3. or 4., you can move the fan horizontally, not vertically.
 
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PiT said:
front-rear YES (parallel with heatpipes)
top-down NO (its possible 1-2mm)

C12P fits Asus Impact only in "heatpipes towards rear" position and it fits into M1 even if the fan extends towards top.

If you can put the C12P on your motherboard with heatpipes towards bottom and it fits M1, then yes. Otherwise not.
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Thanks again. On the Asrock Z87E-ITX I'll then have to place the heatpipes towards the bottom, and as I really need to move fan down a bit.

You have been very helpful - thanks a bunch!

EDIT: I'm forgetting way too fast. Necere earlier said
Necere said:
The NH-C12 on the Asrock Z87E-ITX will clear the top and rear panels with heatpipes facing* toward the rear (63mm to top panel, 85mm to rear panel)
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So it seems the cooler on NH-C12P SE12 will not fit with the Asrock Z87E-ITX as I need to move it down perpendicular to how the heatpipes face in the tower in the only configuration possible on that motherboard.
 
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PiT said:
Oh, mea culpa :D
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And now suddenly buyer's remorse kicks in. Earlier I was sure I wanted all-in-one cooling solution but I decided against that in favor of air because I feel it's more simple, and as far as I can read also more quiet. Air cooling just does not seem to go too well with the Asrock board because of the placement of the socket.

The Asrock board just arrived by mail... Decisions decisions.
 
Hey guys!

Just wanted to pop in and say hi and to tell you I received my M1 :)

It was already stuck in customs last week but I couldn't pay taxes right away so it had to wait.

Also, for anyone wondering, the Asus Geforce GTX 680 DirectCu II TOP does fit in the M1, but under certain terms:

-both the USB and audio headers have to come off the front, permanently.
-you can fit 2.5" HDD's under the card, but you need custom power cabling for them.

Here's a picture on how close the card's shroud comes to the power button connector.

Naturally if you take the shroud off like this you have way more room and even the headers will fit :)

The delivery of all the rest of the parts for this build will go into next week atleast, this wait is killing me :mad:
 
The Primary issue with the C12 fit is the distance between the top panel and the heatsink. This limits placement of the heatsink to a horizontal orientation.

My next question is, with heatpipe ends toward the front of case, by how much and how many fins occlude with the PSU.

Necere has confirmed however that heatpipe ends towards the back is OK.


Next point is - Fan installation. The heatsink itself is 63mm from centre, and we so far have a confirmed fit of the L12 in a particular orientation which confirms clearance for 62mm. Hopefully 63 fits, but thats going to be soo close.

This leaves no space for the anything to be beyond the edge of the heatsink. This includes both the Fan and the Fan clips. Having a 120mm fan will resolve this, if the clips can be within the edge of the frame. If you opt for the 140mm fan, you will need to move the fan down (perpendicular to the heatpipes) by the 7mm or so. This might be more than you can stretch the fan clips





Series^ said:
Also, for anyone wondering, the Asus Geforce GTX 680 DirectCu II TOP does fit in the M1, but under certain terms:

Here's a picture on how close the card's shroud comes to the power button connector.

Naturally if you take the shroud off like this you have way more room and even the headers will fit :)

The delivery of all the rest of the parts for this build will go into next week atleast, this wait is killing me :mad:
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Congrats on receiving the case! At least you can admire a beautiful case ;)

Love how clean and simple the triple slot cooler is, the advantage of having an extra slot of space for a cooler. Could you actually fit in 2x 25mm fans under the cooler instead of the stock fans?
 
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