Eizo Foris FG2421: 120hz VA Panel

I'm using Displayport, yes. However, since I faced all these issues, I tried the DVI input too. Everything was the same.

Funny stuff is that I used the same cable that came with the Samsung, it looks pretty weak. After some time I started noticing some white pixels on dark background popping up here and there, on a random basis, as if the cable wasn't designed for such high bandwidth and caused errors :D
 
Did you use a Dual Link cable when you tried DVI? Because that's required for 120Hz at 1080p

Hmm I noticed something, when changing settings using nvidia control panel using the "adjust desktop size and position" it reported 120Hz as selected but I could tell it wasn't in 120Hz mode so I went into windows screen resolution settings (advanced settings) and it was indeed on 60Hz. (I later noticed I could use "Change resolution" in nvidia control panel to do the same thing, only seems to be "Adjust desktop size and position" that is weird)
 
HonoredShadow said:
I'm seeing a lot of ghosting across the entire screen with or without 240hz mode in Team Fortress 2 and Far cry 3 even at 120fps. Is this normal? The whole screen will ghost up as I turn.
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I have zero ghosting on TF2 on my monitor. I will give a little review of this monitor later but playing last night wow. So much smoother motion compared to my old acer 120hz. Make sure the monitor is on 120hz as initially my monitor was set at 60hz which could account for ghosting.
 
HonoredShadow said:
The red was ok just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

The blacks are great, the contrast is great, the colours are mostly great. The downside is major ghosting while browsing and playing certain games. If I scrolled in Firefox I would see what was on the screen but has now scrolled up the screen for just a second. It's like a ghost version of it! So that would be boxes on forums with peoples avatars in etc all showing up a motion blur.

Anyone else getting this? Can anyone test out TF2?
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TF2 looks great for me with Turbo 240 on, same thing with Quake Live. I do not have any of the ghosting that you describe. I don't normally run Turbo 240 with the desktop though... only thing I could see causing what you see is if the Windows desktop is not set to 120 Hz (but you are having issues in games as well though).
 
RaidSoft said:
edit: I also noticed that if I turn the monitor off then it detects it as completely unplugging the monitor, this could probably cause stuff like Hz settings to reset when it's turned on again, I guess this is a "feature" of displayport because I haven't noticed this with DVI before)
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On an off tangent... I'm really starting to dislike Displayport. Especially with KVMs. /rant off.
 
phillyboy said:
TF2 looks great for me with Turbo 240 on, same thing with Quake Live. I do not have any of the ghosting that you describe. I don't normally run Turbo 240 with the desktop though... only thing I could see causing what you see is if the Windows desktop is not set to 120 Hz (but you are having issues in games as well though).
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vandit007 said:
I have zero ghosting on TF2 on my monitor. I will give a little review of this monitor later but playing last night wow. So much smoother motion compared to my old acer 120hz. Make sure the monitor is on 120hz as initially my monitor was set at 60hz which could account for ghosting.
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Well now this is weird. Makes me think even more that my monitor is faulty. Just posted it back now. I don't remember the ghosting being bad when I first had it but it has got much worse then.

I did check it was in 120hz which it was. I also reset the entire monitor and still no change.
 
HonoredShadow said:
The red was ok just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

The blacks are great, the contrast is great, the colours are mostly great. The downside is major ghosting while browsing and playing certain games. If I scrolled in Firefox I would see what was on the screen but has now scrolled up the screen for just a second. It's like a ghost version of it! So that would be boxes on forums with peoples avatars in etc all showing up a motion blur.

Anyone else getting this? Can anyone test out TF2?
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Are you using 240 in 2D? I had some ghosting on the desktop with it enabled.

I can't test TF2 but other games with greys and browns there is ghosting. Far Cry 1 is a ghost paradise. My VP2770 puts up a better performance here, except the shitty 60Hz. I am not talking about motion blur but trailing on objects as you move and turn.

So I assume you sent it back to the reseller? It would be interesting to know how many of these monitors get rejected and sent back.

STaRGaZeR69 said:
Nope, no 60Hz here. Happens in 120Hz Turbo240 on or off. It looks a lot like other pics people have already posted here, I'm not going to show anything spectacular.

As for the edge bleed, if some of you say that it's not noticeable under normal usage, take a look at something as normal as Steam. Man that's ugly.
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Yup. I have Steam in the bottom right corner and its a completely different colour from when its in the middle lol.

Cross hatching and edge bleed are by far the monitors worse features. Features that should not exist in the first place. Never seen cross hatching on a monitor before and it looks fucking terrible.
 
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RaidSoft said:
Did you use a Dual Link cable when you tried DVI? Because that's required for 120Hz at 1080p

Hmm I noticed something, when changing settings using nvidia control panel using the "adjust desktop size and position" it reported 120Hz as selected but I could tell it wasn't in 120Hz mode so I went into windows screen resolution settings (advanced settings) and it was indeed on 60Hz. (I later noticed I could use "Change resolution" in nvidia control panel to do the same thing, only seems to be "Adjust desktop size and position" that is weird)
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Of course, the Samsung needs a dual link DVI too. I own an AMD card, no problems with refresh rates changing on their own.
 
Dcode said:
Are you using 240 in 2D? I had some ghosting on the desktop with it enabled.

I can't test TF2 but other games with greys and browns there is ghosting. Far Cry 1 is a ghost paradise. My VP2770 puts up a better performance here, except the shitty 60Hz. I am not talking about motion blur but trailing on objects as you move and turn.

So I assume you sent it back to the reseller? It would be interesting to know how many of these monitors get rejected and sent back.



Yup. I have Steam in the bottom right corner and its a completely different colour from when its in the middle lol.

Cross hatching and edge bleed are by far the monitors worse features. Features that should not exist in the first place. Never seen cross hatching on a monitor before and it looks fucking terrible.
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The reseller I sent it back to said they had a 'number of them' sent back already. I tried the desktop with and without 240hz and I was getting ghosting.
 
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Dear EIZO,

Since VA does not suffer viewing angle issues like TN, please follow this up with a 27'' 1440p model. (and add G-Sync to it while you're at it)

Yours truly,

blade52x
 
Dear blade52x (and all the other people who ask for the same thing),

Since this monitor uses a STROBING backlight to achieve incredibly crisp motion, it cannot use gsync please stop requesting it. Dynamically altering the strobe-rate of a backlight in a non-repeating manner would not only give you a headache due to weird strobe times, it is also not feasible to do for reasons such as brightness.

Yours truly,

Me.
 
xoleras said:
I'm not a fan of the cheap Korean screens, and they're also not VA panels. They're IPS or PLS, and in my experience (with dead pixels and defective units) you get what you pay for with the Korean panels. I'm not a fan, although some will happily ignore the issues for the low price.
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My bad. Forgot that they are PLS.
 
blade52x said:
Dear EIZO,

Since VA does not suffer viewing angle issues like TN, please follow this up with a 27'' 1440p model. (and add G-Sync to it while you're at it)

Yours truly,

blade52x
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I would need my bonus money from next year to support the $1000 purchase price and (possibly) a third 7970. So yeah, they can take their time with it ;)
 
deasnutz said:
You would pay $1000 dollars for it? People are whining about how much this costs already.

Also, you have tri-sli 780's or Titans to maintain 120 @ 1440p? Just curious.
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I don't need 1440p on a 27" Monitor especially since every content is done for 1080p. 1080p is just fine for me on a 27" Monitor because i'm also not stick my nose to the Monitor. ;)
 
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TF2 is very close to a CRT like experience for me. I am just in shock with the wide variety of performance people are getting from this monitor. I was very close to ordering two more of these because my mine is damn near perfect, but the feedback is worrisome.
 
Honestly TF2 was a mass of ghosting no matter what I did with the screen or monitor. I tried everything I could think of. It just got worse as the days went by, I really must have had a faulty screen.

Will keep you guys updated with the progress of sending it back.
 
Sn0_Man said:
Dear blade52x (and all the other people who ask for the same thing),

Since this monitor uses a STROBING backlight to achieve incredibly crisp motion, it cannot use gsync please stop requesting it. Dynamically altering the strobe-rate of a backlight in a non-repeating manner would not only give you a headache due to weird strobe times, it is also not feasible to do for reasons such as brightness.

Yours truly,

Me.
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Actually G-Sync can vary the strobe timing, length, and intensity so the brightness is the same despite a varying frame rate. John Carmack talks about it in this video.
http://youtu.be/gbW9IwVGpX8?t=4m1s
I'm not sure if this will be in all g-sync monitors.
 
HonoredShadow said:
Honestly TF2 was a mass of ghosting no matter what I did with the screen or monitor. I tried everything I could think of. It just got worse as the days went by, I really must have had a faulty screen.

Will keep you guys updated with the progress of sending it back.
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You definitely got a lemon or have a configuration issue. Hopefully Eizo rma is helpful.
 
What sort of configuration issue could their be?

I reset the monitor. Have it plugged in via DP. Nothing else plugged into the monitor. I am using SLI but I turned that off to test and no change.

The Samsung on the other hand works flawlessly.
 
Yeah, it sounds more like a circuit-board issue with the monitor and not anything specific that you did. That sucks you got a lemon though.
 
Sn0_Man said:
Since this monitor uses a STROBING backlight to achieve incredibly crisp motion, it cannot use gsync please stop requesting it.
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This is wrong, g-sync includes a strobing mode by default. You can't use g-sync AND strobing at the same time, but there's no reason you couldn't have a monitor that had modes for either, and you could switch them(preferably with a single button press) for different types of content. For example, g-sync has significant value for movie watching to eliminate judder. It would also be good in games where you know there's no way you can maintain high framerates.

Bottom line is there's absolutely no reason you can't make a monitor like this _that supports g-sync_. You just wouldn't use it at the same time as strobing.

Outbreaker said:
I don't need 1440p on a 27" Monitor especially since every content is done for 1080p. 1080p is just fine for me on a 27" Monitor because i'm also not stick my nose to the Monitor. ;)
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"every content" isn't made for 1080p, no idea what you are talking about. Most people buy these high refresh rate, strobing monitors for gaming, and games easily adapt to ANY 16:9 resolution. And yes, they look much better at higher resolutions. At normal monitor viewing distances, a 27" 1080p monitor has massive, easily distinguishable and distracting pixels.

Most importantly, 2560x1440 would make the monitor actually usable for normal desktop tasks, whereas 1080p is unusable for most people at this point(including me) as there just isn't enough desktop real estate and the loss of vertical resolution from 16:10 hurts badly for desktop real estate when you are at lower resolutions like 1080p.
 
phillyboy said:
Yeah, it sounds more like a circuit-board issue with the monitor and not anything specific that you did. That sucks you got a lemon though.
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Cheers for your opinion. I thought I was going crazy when games seemed to be getting slowly worse.

I am unsure if I should go for another though...
 
HonoredShadow said:
Cheers for your opinion. I thought I was going crazy when games seemed to be getting slowly worse.

I am unsure if I should go for another though...
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It almost sounds as if your monitor is accepting a 120hz signal, but only processing it like a 60hz one. Hence the massive trailing / ghosting. Who knows though, definitely needs to go back either way. I wouldn't tolerate hardly any defects at this price point.
 
Sancus said:
"every content" isn't made for 1080p, no idea what you are talking about. Most people buy these high refresh rate, strobing monitors for gaming, and games easily adapt to ANY 16:9 resolution. And yes, they look much better at higher resolutions. At normal monitor viewing distances, a 27" 1080p monitor has massive, easily distinguishable and distracting pixels.

Most importantly, 2560x1440 would make the monitor actually usable for normal desktop tasks, whereas 1080p is unusable for most people at this point(including me) as there just isn't enough desktop real estate and the loss of vertical resolution from 16:10 hurts badly for desktop real estate when you are at lower resolutions like 1080p.
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You if watch 1080p video on a 1440p display do they look better?, NO. If you play games that have 1080p textures on a 1440p display do they look better? A little bit but not worth paying 40% more for a 1440p display included buying a better graphic card.
For now 1440p display are only beneficial in the desktop and then only if you also sit close to the display. For me there are a LOT more important stuff like backlight bleeding, contracts, response time, and display glow than 1440p pixels.
 
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HonoredShadow said:
Cheers for your opinion. I thought I was going crazy when games seemed to be getting slowly worse.

I am unsure if I should go for another though...
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You probably just got unlucky and have an early-failing board, especially if it is getting worse since you first got it. The other panel concerns brought up sound like teething issues with a new panel design / manufacturing process. Either that or we are getting rejects from their fancy satellite monitors ;). That is all just my opinion though, could be way off of course.

My support level so far with Eizo has been fantastic to add a data point to the discussion. My replacement monitor will be here Wednesday from CA and they are taking the old one back.
 
Thats all good to hear. Hope you get yours sorted. I have sent mine back to the Native Digital. They have been fantastic so far! Really first class.
 
So if I were to buy this monitor and play the panel lotto, would my best option for an e-tailer be Amazon? Or someone else?
 
HonoredShadow said:
Cheers for your opinion. I thought I was going crazy when games seemed to be getting slowly worse.

I am unsure if I should go for another though...
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I packed mine away last week, only to unpack it, then pack it back up... then unpack it.

I got my replacement today and there are still some issues....

Firstly the cross hatching, its still there but no where near as smack you in your face as the first one was. Having known how bad that was I can live with this one. Its still there and I can see it if I look for it but just not as severe. The first one was horrible. Had I received this one first I would probably be sending this back though. On top of what is next to come.

The bleed on the edges is just as bad as the first one.

This also has some stuck pixels. There seems to be a blemish, in the middle left, it looks like a cluster of stuck pixels. I only notice it now and then. There is also one near the bottom which is just a single dead pixel. I can live with these as I hardly notice them.

Most of the time in general use it was the cross hatching that got on my nerves the most. It spoiled everything in 2D.

The second biggest flaw is the edge bleed. Its like playing with frigging borders around the edges in some games. Luckily your focused on the center of the screen so its not much of a distraction unless you look at it. Certainly if your a perfectionist when it comes to your kit this is going to really get on your nerves.

This monitor is far from perfect, but its probably the best gaming focused screen out there in terms of all round use. Its rapid in games and provides ultra slick motion clarity. Overall image quality is good and colours are accurate enough for it to be good as a desktop monitor. Which is why I will probably keep it.

This is Eizo's first run of this model and a lot of people have been sending these back. Eizo do listen to feedback so I would expect a revised version of this to fix some of its flaws. Without the cross hatching and bleeding edges this would be close to perfect for a 23" 1080P monitor.

If your on the fence about this I would wait a few months. This along with the first monitor I received were manufactured in September. So as time goes and people start to receive perfect samples. It would be really useful to know the MFD (its stuck on the back next to the serial).
 
Make that 3 dead pixels and some sort of blemish LOL.

What a load of shit. Come on Eizo this stuff aint cheap!
 
You gota send it back surely? I could not stand a one dead pixel if could notice it, let alone a cluster!
 
Time for some pics. It's almost impossible to capture what I'm really looking at in real life, but these are good enough.

Black in a completely dark room. The blue on the left comes from a LED fan in the case and the keyboard.



Black in real world. 2233RZ on the right, Eizo on the left. Very close, but the Eizo is better.



Edge bleed. Notice how when the color is pure black there is no bleed, but as soon as the grey gradient starts... again Eizo on the left, 2233RZ on the right.



The two close together. Looking at the photo I consider that the Eizo (left) looks better, but in real life they are close enough so choosing between the two is a matter of personal preference. I prefer the color on the TN (lol, what did I just say).



Ghosting and the red issue, I couldn't pic it well enough. So there's that.

Mine is already packed and ready to go.


EDIT: Oh, I forgot. The initial fade of Trine 2 and its "256 colors GIF" look. Video quality is horrible, Galaxy S2 camera isn't any good. But if you download the original file here, I think you will be able to see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4EiPsVKdkg
 
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Dcode said:
This is Eizo's first run of this model and a lot of people have been sending these back. Eizo do listen to feedback so I would expect a revised version of this to fix some of its flaws. Without the cross hatching and bleeding edges this would be close to perfect for a 23" 1080P monitor.

If your on the fence about this I would wait a few months. This along with the first monitor I received were manufactured in September. So as time goes and people start to receive perfect samples. It would be really useful to know the MFD (its stuck on the back next to the serial).
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This is false. There are people here that ordered three screens with no issues. Sorry you got burned man, but don't spread fud. The panel lottery is a bitch, and as long as you are getting a replacement you can't complain. If after three screens it still doesn't suit you, obviously you are in the minority and it was just the wrong purchase.
 
STaRGaZeR69 said:
Time for some pics. It's almost impossible to capture what I'm really looking at in real life, but these are good enough.

Black in a completely dark room. The blue on the left comes from a LED fan in the case and the keyboard.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/142586288531794

Black in real world. 2233RZ on the right, Eizo on the left. Very close, but the Eizo is better.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/142586288531794

Edge bleed. Notice how when the color is pure black there is no bleed, but as soon as the grey gradient starts... again Eizo on the left, 2233RZ on the right.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/142586288531794

The two close together. Looking at the photo I consider that the Eizo (left) looks better, but in real life they are close enough so choosing between the two is a matter of personal preference. I prefer the color on the TN (lol, what did I just say).

http://www.imagebam.com/image/142586288531794

Ghosting and the red issue, I couldn't pic it well enough. So there's that.

Mine is already packed and ready to go.
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I can tell you that either your screen is broken as hell or you were using it in 60Hz mode, mine is nowhere NEAR that bright in a dark room.

So as I said, either broken or not configured properly.
 
HonoredShadow said:
You gota send it back surely? I could not stand a one dead pixel if could notice it, let alone a cluster!
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Its only very small and I am not sure if its a single pixel that looks bigger due to the coating or some sort of blemish.

Either way I can't be arsed sending things back and forth, I might end up with a shittier panel again.
 
deasnutz said:
This is false. There are people here that ordered three screens with no issues. Sorry you got burned man, but don't spread fud. The panel lottery is a bitch, and as long as you are getting a replacement you can't complain. If after three screens it still doesn't suit you, obviously you are in the minority and it was just the wrong purchase.
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LOL what? There is at least five of us here who have bought this thing from the same re seller all with issues.

People need to be aware that this panel is not perfect. Eizo told me that they cannot accept returns on panels just for cross hatching. Another member said Eizo said that the edge bleed is normal also. How long before Eizo refuse to accept any returns on these two issues because its deemed as 'normal'?

I am not trying to put people off buying this monitor full stop as its a really interesting piece of kit and first of its kind, but its not perfect.
 
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STaRGaZeR69 said:
Time for some pics. It's almost impossible to capture what I'm really looking at in real life, but these are good enough.

Black in a completely dark room. The blue on the left comes from a LED fan in the case and the keyboard.



Black in real world. 2233RZ on the right, Eizo on the left. Very close, but the Eizo is better.



Edge bleed. Notice how when the color is pure black there is no bleed, but as soon as the grey gradient starts... again Eizo on the left, 2233RZ on the right.



The two close together. Looking at the photo I consider that the Eizo (left) looks better, but in real life they are close enough so choosing between the two is a matter of personal preference. I prefer the color on the TN (lol, what did I just say).



Ghosting and the red issue, I couldn't pic it well enough. So there's that.

Mine is already packed and ready to go.


EDIT: Oh, I forgot. The initial fade of Trine 2 and its "256 colors GIF" look. Video quality is horrible, Galaxy S2 camera isn't any good. But if you download the original file here, I think you will be able to see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4EiPsVKdkg
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Thanks for taking the time to do that.

Are you based in the UK?

Would be interesting to know if anyone bought this in the UK and received a panel that didn't suck :p
 
STaRGaZeR69 said:
The two close together. Looking at the photo I consider that the Eizo (left) looks better, but in real life they are close enough so choosing between the two is a matter of personal preference. I prefer the color on the TN (lol, what did I just say).

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it is obvious from this photo that Eizo have much better contrast ratio so talk about the same blacks don't make any sense

as for colors there is also gamut into consideration
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gamut of those monitors are very different (and both wrong)
 
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