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Lian Li PC Q33
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" It's really about time Lian Li gave up supporting ATX PSUs and moved completely to SFX."
I would never want a mini ITX system limited with SFX PSU...
Lots of people want powerfull system with mini ITX.
No wonder, there are RoG motherboard, big cases, like Prodigy, Elite 120/130 soon
SFX PSU is more expensive, harder to get, the biggest is the Silverstone one with 450W (if I know it well), what is not enough for a high end cpu+vga...
With ATX PSU you have no limitations. You can get fanless, full modular, big watts, whatever you want.
If Lian Li gave up ATX support, they would lose lots of costumers...
I would never want a mini ITX system limited with SFX PSU...
Lots of people want powerfull system with mini ITX.
No wonder, there are RoG motherboard, big cases, like Prodigy, Elite 120/130 soon
SFX PSU is more expensive, harder to get, the biggest is the Silverstone one with 450W (if I know it well), what is not enough for a high end cpu+vga...
With ATX PSU you have no limitations. You can get fanless, full modular, big watts, whatever you want.
If Lian Li gave up ATX support, they would lose lots of costumers...
The might be a hen-egg-problem. no cases > no psus > no cases > no psus ...
Also what dou you mean by high end cpu+vga? you can power a 4570k + GTX Titan with a good quality 450Watt PSU. Afaik there are no X79 mini itx boards and almost no small cases where a bigger, let alone a second GPU would fit.
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Through the limited case dimensions and therefore limited cooling options 'extreme' overclocking is also not really an in SFF builds. If you want that go mATX ...
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the cases you mentioned support long GPUs because you can't expect something like the Asus GTX 670 mini to happen every generation.
18.7L and cant fit a long video card while the compact splash for example is 14.5L and can fit a long video card and two big (120 + 240mm) radiators paired three 120mm fans.
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I like how the one commenter at Hexus basically told LianLI to scrap their prototype and completely re-invent the wheel.
Nice classy box. Like the shape and design, apart from the GPU limit.
For OC and therefore big coolers not being an "in" with the SFF crowd...this box certainly gives a try at accommodating said big tower coolers.
Nice classy box. Like the shape and design, apart from the GPU limit.
For OC and therefore big coolers not being an "in" with the SFF crowd...this box certainly gives a try at accommodating said big tower coolers.
I could have sworn we already had a thread about this case around here...
It is about having the option for a potentially smaller case that isn't dominated by a huge PSU. Don't worry, there are still plenty of ITX cases using ATX PSUs.
What I would like to actually see are more (and better designed) cases that use TFX PSUs. Seasonic already makes 350W modular 80Plus Gold TFX PSUs. I can totally see those things powering systems with graphics cards that only need one 6-pin PCIe connector.
It is about having the option for a potentially smaller case that isn't dominated by a huge PSU. Don't worry, there are still plenty of ITX cases using ATX PSUs.
What I would like to actually see are more (and better designed) cases that use TFX PSUs. Seasonic already makes 350W modular 80Plus Gold TFX PSUs. I can totally see those things powering systems with graphics cards that only need one 6-pin PCIe connector.
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Athena Power AP-TFX40 is 400W with 2 PCI connectors but i'm not sure about it's quality
edit: http://pointtek.ecrater.com/p/14556392/500w-tfx-power-supply-tfx500w
4570k + Titan with 450W SFX PSU? I would not risk it. PSU should not be run on their maximum capacity, so you should give a bit bigger PSU, so PSU can work more effective, and it wil last longer.
Who buys 4570k, want to overlock it at least for 4/4,5GHz... (or why the k version?)
Overlocked 4570k + Titan/7990 (what is fit easily in the Elite 130) shouldn't run on 450W.
But not just the power limitations is the issue. There are hardly alternativs for suitable SFX, (only Silverstone modular and then what else?) and tons for ATX....
Trust me, I would be happy, if SFX could be a real option. Then I'd buy a Shuttle case, and with some small modding I could fit an SFX easily.
But I wouldn't trust an overlocked 4570k +7970 for a 450w PSU...
450W is plenty for 4570k OC+titan take a look at the total power consumption reviews they rarely hit above 380W on BENCHMARKS. On normal use you would never hit this and on gaming so you would probably be at max gold efficiency most of the time.
Also this case isn't meant to take long dual gpu length cards so it's fine if it was SFX.
Silverstone's ST45SF-G isn't that expensive either, take a look at full ATX 450-550W gold and you see its only around $10 more, considering it's the only gold SFX mainly available be glad we aren't getting ripped off. (Thank you Silverstone)
That's BS. The Silverstone ST45SF-G is rated for 100.000 hours at 100% load. That is 11.5 years of 24/7 use .. The ST45SG-G is more efficent at 100% load than a Corsair CX600M at 50%.
A 4570k @ 4.5 + GTX Titan will draw less than 400 Watt at peak.
Also this configuration would be an extreme case. How many people build SFF systems and put a top-tier GPU in it? <5% ? Why design the majority of cases for those <5% and not for the majority of users?
You won't be able to put a top-tier card in this case anyway, why put a huge ATX psu in it?
I am not saying, that manufactureres shouldn't design bigger cases like the CM 130 or Prodigy for this minority who has the strong urge to put a 7990 or water cooling setup in a SFF case ...
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I like that you have the option for multiple mechanical hard drives, a regular PSU (so I don't have to buy something else) and, what seems to be, enough space for a really decent air cooler.
Seems like people will whine about just about anything though. If it's too big for you, look for something else, give them feedback, but I really wish folks could disagree respectfully instead of bashing.
Seems like people will whine about just about anything though. If it's too big for you, look for something else, give them feedback, but I really wish folks could disagree respectfully instead of bashing.
Calling people whiners is disagreeing respectfully?
The point some are trying to make is that there are plenty of SFF cases that have space for a full ATX, but we would like more options of cases that don't. Four years ago Silverstone took the gamble on the SG05 and since then there aren't many new options, except from Silverstone themselves. While other manufacturers shy away from SFX because of perceived market share loss. This because target buyers don't have SFX PSUs because there aren't any cases for them. That's what milkcow meant with "hen-egg-problem. no cases > no psus > no cases > no psus ..."
Happily some enthusiast-designed cases like NCase and Compact Splash are built around SFX, but it would be great if there were some other choices.
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Everyone whines at some point, especially as babies. They whine and whimper for food and a diaper change. If you think that's disrespectful do you have a nicer word for the behavior I'm talking about?
On Ncase thread, there were people saying it's too small, add a few more centimeters or that the temperatures are too high, and more. Now, I'm reading people saying that this case is too big. I think you can give them feedback, but no case will ever be perfect. Unless we get to some point where one can use a 3D printer to build something exactly the way one wants.
Not saying that there shouldn't be some discussion, but oh em geez, does it ever end? Yes I'm whining about the whining. Lol.
I can't disagree more. The only cards that won't run on the ST45SF is the dual GPU ones, a small price to pay for the savings in space.
Also widespread adoption of SFX cases will result in a larger selection of SFX PSUs.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ST45SF in terms of support for powerful graphics cards.
And that's the crux of it. Everyone wants something slightly different in a case.
One person wonders why a case has so many HDD bays that he will never use.
The next person wonders why a case doesn't have enough HDD bays, because he might use more of them.
And so on...
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True but I guess this is what the majority wants in an ITX case:
ITX motherboard
single long video card support
SFX PSU
Slim drive (or not)
1 (or 2) 3.5 HDD + 2 SSD’s
Support for good coolers (single or dual rad)
If you want more then you have endless choices in the mATX and ATX cases.
the NCASE supports all the listed points while this case doesn't support a long video card.
This case has the potential to be perfect.
All that I really want:
SFX PSU so the case is shorter, drive cage changed to 2 x 2.5"
140mm fan on top with 120mm holes, can fit AIO because it looks like the rear fan may not support one with a GPU that close. Also can put more air flow, rear intake and top exhaust?
Although I know if installing an AIO on top would be a juggling act probably having to hold the panel I would love the option.
All that I really want:
SFX PSU so the case is shorter, drive cage changed to 2 x 2.5"
140mm fan on top with 120mm holes, can fit AIO because it looks like the rear fan may not support one with a GPU that close. Also can put more air flow, rear intake and top exhaust?
Although I know if installing an AIO on top would be a juggling act probably having to hold the panel I would love the option.
I would add <15L to that list but apart from that, I agree. I just don't get how companies like Silverstone and Lian Li can almost get it right, but not completely, yet Necere and Wahaha can.
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I think the case isnt bad looking, each to his own there. but far too big considering the components it can house. its far from what not what I would consider and ideal case with 19 litres of volumen for an itx sistema, its internal distrubution poses too many limitations, I would rather use a CM 130 elite or an SG08, they both allow atx psu and full length powerfull gpu,
Shame Shuttle has lost its way, since their designs are usually quite neat, all aluminium construction, but the need to offer options for installing water cooling, Slim optical drives, etc
ATX psus could become much more ITX friendly if they became slightly more compact, like the nexus NX 5000 v1, which is only 125mm deep instead of the industry standard 140mm and is able to deliver 550 watts without being noisy,
In an ideal world psu manufacturers would a agree on 2 new formats 125x125x86, basically a psu built around a 120mm fan,and good for up 500 watts this format would allow you to stack the psu under a 120mm rad and cool both the psu and the rad with one fan, this would save quite a lot space and allow more compact itx systems (you can do this with the nexus psu). and a variation of the current ATX format unit built around a 140mm fan with say 145x150x86 for higher output, this size would allow stacking under a 140mm rad. never mind I shall keep whishing and waiting.
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Shame Shuttle has lost its way, since their designs are usually quite neat, all aluminium construction, but the need to offer options for installing water cooling, Slim optical drives, etc
ATX psus could become much more ITX friendly if they became slightly more compact, like the nexus NX 5000 v1, which is only 125mm deep instead of the industry standard 140mm and is able to deliver 550 watts without being noisy,
In an ideal world psu manufacturers would a agree on 2 new formats 125x125x86, basically a psu built around a 120mm fan,and good for up 500 watts this format would allow you to stack the psu under a 120mm rad and cool both the psu and the rad with one fan, this would save quite a lot space and allow more compact itx systems (you can do this with the nexus psu). and a variation of the current ATX format unit built around a 140mm fan with say 145x150x86 for higher output, this size would allow stacking under a 140mm rad. never mind I shall keep whishing and waiting.
Joe
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I like the hinge on this case. last week i worked on a SFF itx build and I would have appreciated this feature.
Ignore the trolling. Trust 450W? You can distrust whatever you want, but this has been proven time and time again.
As to this case, it is what it is. If you want big cpu cooling, and want a few drives to fit in there, while being ok with short gpu's, then it's a good use of space. Otherwise it's not lol. Seems a bit niche to me. I agree ATX is ridiculous in these setups. Why is Lian-Li always so close, yet so far? It's the one manufacturer I wish would get it more right than most, for aesthetic reasons =p.
As to this case, it is what it is. If you want big cpu cooling, and want a few drives to fit in there, while being ok with short gpu's, then it's a good use of space. Otherwise it's not lol. Seems a bit niche to me. I agree ATX is ridiculous in these setups. Why is Lian-Li always so close, yet so far? It's the one manufacturer I wish would get it more right than most, for aesthetic reasons =p.
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I wonder when this case will be released in the US?
Could it be used for an video editing machine? Possibly installing max 3 hdd/ssd in raid0 and 2 additional ssd .
Wished a less height bluray burner could be installed.
Wish they just dump the 120mm fans and only use 140mm instead for all cases...or at least bring separate models for watercooling..would have the space for a 140mm fan then
.Wished a less height bluray burner could be installed.
Wish they just dump the 120mm fans and only use 140mm instead for all cases...or at least bring separate models for watercooling..would have the space for a 140mm fan then
HTPC+bluray player?
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