Asus unveils 31.5" 4k Monitor

on p.33, it says "Depending on the connected PC, images may not be displayed properly EVEN IF the compatible signal described above is input"

What does that mean in English? Is that asus way of telling us the technology is not there?

Is there any1 manage to run it at 60Hz under 3840x 2160? If so, what's your video card set up?
 
Happy Hopping said:
on p.33, it says "Depending on the connected PC, images may not be displayed properly EVEN IF the compatible signal described above is input"

What does that mean in English? Is that asus way of telling us the technology is not there?

Is there any1 manage to run it at 60Hz under 3840x 2160? If so, what's your video card set up?
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I can run it at 60hz with a DP cable. Windows is fine for me. It's when not inside an OS that it's problematic; only workaround is you turn off MST if you need to see the BIOS.

GTX 780 in SLI
 
Archaea said:
Three 3014s for that price!
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Yeah but the 3014 is plagued with issues. I rather deal with the 2160p screen than cross-hatching screen and the aggressive overdrive that Dell won't let you turn off. It's expensive, but I don't see anything better at this res atm.

Overall, I am very happy with my screen. Once you get to play a 2160p you don't want to go back to 1080 or 1440.
 
Sufu said:
I can run it at 60hz with a DP cable. Windows is fine for me. It's when not inside an OS that it's problematic; only workaround is you turn off MST if you need to see the BIOS.

GTX 780 in SLI
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I am more interested is what does NOT work:

1) So when you boot up your PC, you can't even see the BIOS start up screen if you have Multi-Stream Transport (MST) on? So you have to go to ?? to turn off then re-boot in order to go to the BIOS?

2) Anyhoo, what does NOT work in windows? Can you view a MP4 or WMV or Blu-ray movie? What are the problems using this screen?

How many GTX 780 @ SLI, 2 or 4? What if you use only 1 GTX 780 via Display port? Is it just slow? How would that affect your eyes?

3) If that pair of speaker is not magnetically shielded, then the magnet in the speaker will damage the screen in long run. a 2W speaker is a joke. But what can be worse, is a $5 component fuck up a $3800 screen.
 
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Happy Hopping said:
I am more interested is what does NOT work:

1) So when you boot up your PC, you can't even see the BIOS start up screen if you have Multi-Stream Transport (MST) on? So you have to go to ?? to turn off then re-boot in order to go to the BIOS?

2) Anyhoo, what does NOT work in windows? Can you view a MP4 or WMV or Blu-ray movie? What are the problems using this screen?

How many GTX 780 @ SLI, 2 or 4? What if you use only 1 GTX 780 via Display port? Is it just slow? How would that affect your eyes?

3) If that pair of speaker is not magnetically shielded, then the magnet in the speaker will damage the screen in long run. a 2W speaker is a joke. But what can be worse, is a $5 component fuck up a $3800 screen.
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1) So when you boot up your PC, you can't even see the BIOS start up screen if you have Multi-Stream Transport (MST) on? So you have to go to ?? to turn off then re-boot in order to go to the BIOS?

You have to turn off MST in the monitor's menu to see the BIOS on the Asus screen. You can optionally use a second monitor, but my experience (at least under Win 8.1) is this breaks the drivers and then you are stuck at 30hz. Haven't tried Win 8 Pro and the newer drivers.


2) Anyhoo, what does NOT work in windows? Can you view a MP4 or WMV or Blu-ray movie? What are the problems using this screen?

Everything works in Windows. It's HDCP certified.


3) How many GTX 780 @ SLI, 2 or 4? What if you use only 1 GTX 780 via Display port? Is it just slow? How would that affect your eyes?

2x 780 in SLI. If you used a single one, it would be really really slow. I can get 99% usage out of both cards really easy in most games. You'd have to play at like med settings with no AA. Some games would be on high, but probably not with AA unless it's a really old game. OTOH, FXAA works really well at this resolution with minimal fps impact.

60hz under MST is not affected by the amount of cards you have. 1..4 cards, it works the same way.


4) If that pair of speaker is not magnetically shielded, then the magnet in the speaker will damage the screen in long run. a 2W speaker is a joke. But what can be worse, is a $5 component fuck up a $3800 screen.

It's $3500 not 3800, but I digress. As far as the speakers go...I have no idea. I've never used monitor speakers before, and certainly not going to do it on this screen. I have decent dedicated speakers that I use for gaming.
 
Happy Hopping said:
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3) If that pair of speaker is not magnetically shielded, then the magnet in the speaker will damage the screen in long run. a 2W speaker is a joke. But what can be worse, is a $5 component fuck up a $3800 screen.
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Do you thing this is a CRT or something?
 
Sufu said:
You can optionally use a second monitor, but my experience (at least under Win 8.1) is this breaks the drivers and then you are stuck at 30hz. .
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Say you break the driver, and you're stuck at 30 Hz. What do you have to do to un-do it? Do you know any1 that run the above w/ win 7, and does the same thing happens to them?
 
Happy Hopping said:
Say you break the driver, and you're stuck at 30 Hz. What do you have to do to un-do it? Do you know any1 that run the above w/ win 7, and does the same thing happens to them?
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I use a second monitor on Win7. I leave the Asus off until Windows is fully booted up, and then I turn it on(with the hard power off switch, not the soft one). It doesn't cause any problems.

Happy Hopping said:
The magnetic shield won't affect any component on a LED LCD? How do you know what are the components inside this $3499 screen? Can you afford to gamble on it?
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(crappy) Speakers inside of a monitor are an extremely common feature. If they haven't broken my random $200 Samsung 24" after 6 years, I doubt they are going to break a $3500 LCD. There's no reason to believe the magnets in the speaker would be harmful, I've never heard of such a thing being an issue before on any number of cheap monitors that have speakers in them. I am certain they're adequately shielded, or else Sharp wouldn't have put them there.
 
Happy Hopping said:
Say you break the driver, and you're stuck at 30 Hz. What do you have to do to un-do it? Do you know any1 that run the above w/ win 7, and does the same thing happens to them?
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My experience was I had to unplug the second monitor to get surround working again. But in Win8.1 with the 326.19 drivers, when I added a second monitor (via second card in SLI) and then enabled surround for the first two, it corrupted my OS and then I had to revert to Win8 Pro. Without surround it was stuck at 30hz. When both were on the same card, the Asus refused to turn on. Secondary monitor was using HDMI.

I have no idea what happens with Win7 - I haven't tried it. Sancus I believe is running this monitor under 7.
 
I paid about $1K to $1.3K for 2 x HP ZR30W, but they are just LCD, not LED LCD. But if I upgrade to this Asus, I still need a 2nd monitor. As I am using 2560 x 1600 x 2 on my desk + a Sharp 60"
 
Pretty slow response times, even a bit slower than most ips. Average frames will just be done refreshing when it's time for the next at 60 fps, must be terrible for games.
"In the factory settings, we measured the black and white alternating with 18.0 milliseconds and the fastest gray change of 14.5 milliseconds. The average for our 15 measuring points is 16.2 milliseconds."
 
I don't really get the hype of these huge resolution monitor... IMHO 3D is the way to go.
 
Morkai said:
Pretty slow response times, even a bit slower than most ips. Average frames will just be done refreshing when it's time for the next at 60 fps, must be terrible for games.
"In the factory settings, we measured the black and white alternating with 18.0 milliseconds and the fastest gray change of 14.5 milliseconds. The average for our 15 measuring points is 16.2 milliseconds."
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Considering the Dell 3011 is what, around 20-30ms delay? I think this is still one of the best screens in the 30"+ range.

I personally haven't noticed any lag with it. I'm going to try PS2 with it over the weekend, and see if it seems that much different from my Hazro HZ27WC.
 
Anandtech's review showed the input lag and transition time to be roughly the same or better than most similarly sized screens. I don't have an issue with it, but if you're the kind of person who obsesses over 120hz and lightboost then you definitely won't want one.

There's no doubt in my mind that it's a much better gaming experience than I've had on any lower resolution monitor, I loved it from the moment I loaded up Civ5 on it, but if you focus on first person shooters you probably don't want one.

But then, you wouldn't want one anyway due to the amount of GPU horsepower it would take to get 120fps+ in most current games at 3840x2160.
 
Happy Hopping said:
The magnetic shield won't affect any component on a LED LCD? How do you know what are the components inside this $3499 screen? Can you afford to gamble on it?
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The magnet should not affect any components in the LCD. I say this as a scientist who is very familiar with LCDs in use near extremely powerful electromagnets used for NMRs, MRIs, etc. http://youtu.be/cFRHKl_t1Eo?t=25s Yes, we use standard LCDs near these things and look at the strength (via coins sticking).
 
Sancus said:
I use a second monitor on Win7. I leave the Asus off until Windows is fully booted up, and then I turn it on(with the hard power off switch, not the soft one). It doesn't cause any problems.
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do you have a video of your boot up? i.e., do you have to do the above on normal boot up? Have you experience any crash like Sufu was saying. What don't you like about this monitor?

Can you give me a details of your rig, i.e, your computer and all your monitor?

do I have to get a 2nd monitor if I use this monitor?

Also, asking a question for another friend, he has eye sight problem and is using magnifying software on a 30" 2560x 1600 screen. If he upgrades to the above, would it be better for viewing due to the higher resolution?
 
Happy Hopping said:
Also, asking a question for another friend, he has eye sight problem and is using magnifying software on a 30" 2560x 1600 screen. If he upgrades to the above, would it be better for viewing due to the higher resolution?
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I would suggest your friend would be better off using a physically larger but lower resolution display. Perhaps a 32" - 42" 1080p display.
 
Sufu said:
I can run it at 60hz with a DP cable. Windows is fine for me. It's when not inside an OS that it's problematic; only workaround is you turn off MST if you need to see the BIOS.

GTX 780 in SLI
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Sufu, I just finished off reading all those driver problem of installing different ver. of nvidia driver at this link:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/539645/nvidia-surround/2-monitor-gaming-/13/

how did you get around all those problems? How exactly did you install a stable driver?

Also, in 1 of those pages, some1 is complaining he can't horizontal span, he's saying if he opens an application in full screen, no problem. But if he opens a few applications in a few windows, the windows won't horizontally span.

But you said to me earlier when I ask you what DOES NOT Work on the monitor, that you said everything works fine
 
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Sufu said:
I can run it at 60hz with a DP cable. Windows is fine for me. It's when not inside an OS that it's problematic; only workaround is you turn off MST if you need to see the BIOS.

GTX 780 in SLI
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people, if you have 2 PQ321, how many GTX 780 is needed in SLI?
 
Happy Hopping said:
people, if you have 2 PQ321, how many GTX 780 is needed in SLI?
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Nvidia has fixed profiles for a single on MST but can only run 3 monitors so 2 wont work.
You should wait for the HD9970 (they are gonna name it something as in R9 280x according to rumours)

I would say you only need 2 since I run 40fps 4k UHD on medium/high settings with little AA on a single GTX 570 card.(overclocked to hell and back though)
You would have more than 4x the power with 2 of them so that would yield pretty decent performance (again AA will kill any setup with that much pixels)
 
Is anyone on this thread using one of these monitors with a Radeon 79x0? Or a Quadro? How is your experience?
 
JayJapanB said:
780 sli can't handle it at 1080p? Time to start settling for occasional dips.
I run a quite steady 60 on high at 1080p and a mix of high/med at 1440p

Sounds like you have too many horses and no where to run. Get a bigger screen.
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Got both 30" 1600p and 60" 1080p. Mix of med/high probably makes quite a bit of difference.

I said maxed it goes into 30-40's, don't remember exactly it's been a while since I played the game. May also have been improved with recent drivers.
 
maarten12100 said:
I would say you only need 2 since I run 40fps 4k UHD on medium/high settings with little AA on a single GTX 570 card.(overclocked to hell and back though)
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Sufu (scroll up) is saying he needs 2 at SLi to run just 1 PQ321, as 1 is just too slow. So I don't know which 1 of you guys I should listen to
 
To him since I actually lower my AA usually to 0 and if needed lower my settings.
I can do with no AA as long as the game runs right.
 
Asking how many cards are "needed" is a silly question because it depends on what need you are talking about.

To get 60fps in BF3 at max settings you'll need 2 780s OCed by 30-40% for sure. To get 60fps in Dirt3 or Skyrim(with 4k texture mods, without ENBs) 1 OCed 780 will be fine. To get 60fps in Sleeping Dogs using SSAA(lol) you'll need quad titans.

My general impression with one 780 is that you should get used to turning down settings in newly released/known gpu intensive games, but in older/known well-performing games, it's fine. Keep AA at reasonable levels, don't use SSAA or any of that nonsense.

I'm personally waiting for Maxwell to do a serious SLI setup as I don't think it's worth it to buy multiple 780s or Titans right now, their performance is just not there to make me satisfied for the money, especially with a new console revision likely to increase requirements for games in the next year and the fact that I prefer to buy flagship cards on their release date, not in the middle of a refresh cycle, to always stay on top of the performance curve.
 
If anyone still follows this, apparently under MST mode, SLI is non-functional per Nvidia. The latest WHQL drivers have some FPS improvement, but single gpu vs sli has zero FPS improvement when using MST to do 60hz.

1 GPU is slow, FFXIV dips into the 20s with a single overclocked 780 GTX. With SLI I can do 50-60fps, and has a remarkable improvement that can be seen even in the benchmark (like 5k score vs 11k+)

The only outstanding issue is that at least in FFXIV, SLI is borked and I get 70% usage on the top card, 99% usage on the second.

Edit: SLi appears to work in some games under MST (60hz), just not in FFXIV: ARR. I'll wait for nVidia to confirm if they did add full support for SLI. They did say it does NOT work while playing in Windowed mode, so no SLI under MST if you play windowed or borderless windowed mode.
 
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SLI is pretty borked in windowed modes even on screens that don't use MST, tbqh. Performance benchmarks are almost always done in full screen, and windowed mode causes major losses in performance with many, many games in SLI even without this crazy monitor and its' drivers in the mix :p

SLI being borked in FFXIV sounds crappy though :(
 
Sancus said:
SLI is pretty borked in windowed modes even on screens that don't use MST, tbqh. Performance benchmarks are almost always done in full screen, and windowed mode causes major losses in performance with many, many games in SLI even without this crazy monitor and its' drivers in the mix :p

SLI being borked in FFXIV sounds crappy though :(
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I am very dissapointed that SLi does not work in FFXIV, while in MST...Apparently there's different code paths to support MST, but I have no idea if it's the same thing as just Surround with a hack applied.

I was also told that SST vs MST you can expect a 5-10% drop in performance, however at least in my initial testing, I saw no real world performance difference running FFXIV in SST vs MST. It was about half of 1fps difference if I'm to trust the benchmark, which well into the margin of error.

I'd be curious to know if anyone else can test the performance drop in SST vs MST. Doesn't need to be in SLi afaik.
 
According to this article: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/4K-Monitor-Requirements-and-Usage-492/

We've had some questions about the performance difference between a monitor running at 30Hz and one running at 60Hz. Refresh rate should not affect benchmarking performance, but we re-ran some of our benchmarks with the monitor connected via DisplayPort in SST mode (30Hz refresh rate) just to confirm. Our testing showed that while games certainly look better at 60Hz, as far as benchmarking goes the refresh rate does not affect the FPS performance.
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They probably did way more intensive testing than I'm motivated enough to do :p
 
Quartz-1 said:
Here's looking for the 4K 60Hz reviews of the upcoming Radeon.
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If AMD actually manages to fix the frame pacing issue in Crossfire with Eyefinity enabled @ 4k, then I might jump ship from Team Green. Outside of the uber buggy 7970 driver release that was late, I thought their hardware was really good and gave the 680 a run for the money.

I love my 4k monitor, but between the system refusing to POST on a cold boot, to not seeing anything until Windows loads when running in MST mode, nVidia has been a little aggravating as of late. Let's not even go into the issues of SLI being broken in FFXIV only under MST mode...

Also, FWIW, nVidia said that Asus has a "unofficial" firmware update for the PQ321Q. I submitted a ticket to see if I could get a hold of it a few days ago, but my ticket is still in limbo.
 
The customer service person who pointed me to drivers etc before had no idea what I was talking about and said, in any case, that I would need to return my monitor for the firmware to be updated if there was a new firmware, and then stopped responding to my messages.

So yeah, no idea what the deal is with that. Honestly, the no display during POST stuff doesn't bother me that much(I have another non-MST monitor and always will, and I just turn the Asus off and use that one until I'm fully booted up. It's not much trouble.), but things like no SLI in MST mode do -- if there are going to be constant bugs like that, Nvidia isn't going to have that much motivation to fix them for the small set of users, and even less once non-tiled 4k monitors start coming out. So that's kind of worrying.

However, if it's just that SLI doesn't work in FFXIV in *Surround* mode either, that's much less worrying, if we're supported along with Surround then okay, whatever.
 
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