8-Year-Old Kills Caregiver After Playing Grand Theft Auto IV

lcpiper said:
And therein lies much of the problem because the people who do tell you how you should raise your kids actually believe they are correct in doing so. They think that they have this right to meddle in your life if you don't live your life to their standards.
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True, but I think in most cases people are just trying to tell you off. If they REALLY cared about how your kids were being raised, they'd council in private and actually express genuine concern. Publicly calling someone out is just an attempt to shame and not correct. Happens all the time on this forum. :D (And yes, I've done it too)
 
Commander FAT said:
Never underestimate the stupidity of mouth foaming gun haters.
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Oh the irony of that hatred. It is a fact that the first thing dictators do when they take over is disarm the people. It's also a fact that more armed neighborhoods have less violence. Before anyone retaliates with a "SOURCE?" look it up yourselves. Lunchtime is over at work and I don't have time to look up and link every reference out there.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Oh the irony of that hatred. It is a fact that the first thing dictators do when they take over is disarm the people. It's also a fact that more armed neighborhoods have less violence. Before anyone retaliates with a "SOURCE?" look it up yourselves. Lunchtime is over at work and I don't have time to look up and link every reference out there.
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but but but it worked SOOOO well for the aussies!

I know, we should ban all kids!
 
So if this was back in the olden days and the kid was doing something else then the news article would have said:
"8 year old kills caregiver after playing Contra!"
"8 year old kills caregiver after looking at a gun magazine!"
"8 year old kills caregiver after reading a Comic Book!"
and so on...
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I can't believe someone could be so brash and rude (and stupid, for that matter) as to tell you that. It's no one else's business how you raise your kids.
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isnt that what everyone in this thread is doing? criticising this kids parents and grandparents for letting the kid have access to violent games and loaded firearms? i agree completely that that person who criticized the guy for teaching his kids about guns is out of line, but then should someone have said something to this person or le tthem be a bad parent? it would be nice if we could just live and let live, but some people are remarkably dumb and endanger themselves and others if just left alone.
 
ekuest said:
isnt that what everyone in this thread is doing? criticising this kids parents and grandparents for letting the kid have access to violent games and loaded firearms? i agree completely that that person who criticized the guy for teaching his kids about guns is out of line, but then should someone have said something to this person or le tthem be a bad parent? it would be nice if we could just live and let live, but some people are remarkably dumb and endanger themselves and others if just left alone.
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The caretaker is taking flak because she allowed behaviour unnaceptable for an 8 year old to have. Teaching kids about gun safety and letting them shoot someone with no supervision are complete polar opposites.

The reality is that we live in this world. Accidents are going to happen and stupid people are going to do stupid things. Any amount of scapegoating will just compound the problems.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
The caretaker is taking flak because she allowed behaviour unnaceptable for an 8 year old to have. Teaching kids about gun safety and letting them shoot someone with no supervision are complete polar opposites.

The reality is that we live in this world. Accidents are going to happen and stupid people are going to do stupid things. Any amount of scapegoating will just compound the problems.
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exactly. so what's the solution? is it for someone to step in and take action? CPS to check out the house more? government to audit people with guns to make sure theyre locked up? outlaw all guns? send the parents to jail for criminal neglect?

obviously the grandparent was an unfit caretaker, but it's hard to find a solution to a problem like this, which is why people say "TAKE ALL THE GUNS" because it really is the only solution. they just dont understand that solving this one problem creates many others, as well as violating peoples' rights. you're just not gonna defeat the gun control nuts until you come up with an effective alternative to gun control, and there isnt one.
 
One thing ive noticed since this instance is anti gun parroters have been using this case as some new fule to start being vocal. While not an insanely big uproar, I thought it would of been more about the game (surprised).

Either way, anti gun types should look to see how well it has worked for countries who have banned weapons, or look to see how awesome the "assault weapon" ban has worked the past few decades. Info is out there, trying to control the weapons isnt going to work(sometimes it makes it worst). Lets try to remove the environments that foster this type of violence first!
 
ekuest said:
exactly. so what's the solution? is it for someone to step in and take action? CPS to check out the house more? government to audit people with guns to make sure theyre locked up? outlaw all guns? send the parents to jail for criminal neglect?

obviously the grandparent was an unfit caretaker, but it's hard to find a solution to a problem like this, which is why people say "TAKE ALL THE GUNS" because it really is the only solution. they just dont understand that solving this one problem creates many others, as well as violating peoples' rights. you're just not gonna defeat the gun control nuts until you come up with an effective alternative to gun control, and there isnt one.
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The solution is education. The response is to do nothing. It was an accident, regardless of the intentions of the 8 year old. Reacting emotionally, without logic, isn't going to help anyone.
 
ekuest said:
exactly. so what's the solution? is it for someone to step in and take action? CPS to check out the house more? government to audit people with guns to make sure theyre locked up? outlaw all guns? send the parents to jail for criminal neglect?

obviously the grandparent was an unfit caretaker, but it's hard to find a solution to a problem like this, which is why people say "TAKE ALL THE GUNS" because it really is the only solution. they just dont understand that solving this one problem creates many others, as well as violating peoples' rights. you're just not gonna defeat the gun control nuts until you come up with an effective alternative to gun control, and there isnt one.
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I think we spend too much time trying to fix every issue that comes up. If one kid accidentally shoots their parent a year, it will be seen as an epidemic. Then we will see political agendas behind it so someone can fill their portfolio.

Fact is we cant fix ever situation that pops up and honestly we spend too time and money. If we are to fix a problem we cant just remove one factor (guns) from the situation and call it fixed.
 
I remember when everyone thought Wayne LaPierre was nuts for blaming video games for the crazies losing their marbles.

Well, guess what everyone pays attention to now? That guy is crazy like a fox.

The video game industry doesn't have an effective lobby so they are going to get burned.

It's only a matter of time before you'll need a license to buy a violent video game.
 
ekuest said:
exactly. so what's the solution? is it for someone to step in and take action? CPS to check out the house more? government to audit people with guns to make sure theyre locked up? outlaw all guns? send the parents to jail for criminal neglect?

obviously the grandparent was an unfit caretaker, but it's hard to find a solution to a problem like this, which is why people say "TAKE ALL THE GUNS" because it really is the only solution. they just dont understand that solving this one problem creates many others, as well as violating peoples' rights. you're just not gonna defeat the gun control nuts until you come up with an effective alternative to gun control, and there isnt one.
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Fact is, guns are dangerous, period. But I don't want my rights to have them infringed because stupid people can't handle their shit. To be honest, lots of people should be banned from driving first, if we really gave a shit about public safety.
 
Trimlock said:
I think we spend too much time trying to fix every issue that comes up. If one kid accidentally shoots their parent a year, it will be seen as an epidemic. Then we will see political agendas behind it so someone can fill their portfolio.

Fact is we cant fix ever situation that pops up and honestly we spend too time and money. If we are to fix a problem we cant just remove one factor (guns) from the situation and call it fixed.
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What's a lot worse is people waste a huge amount of time and money on things that dramatic but statistically negligible, like shooting rampages or terrorism, and they ignore the boring things that will definitely kill them, like poor auto safety training, toxic compounds, or eating too many fucking French fries.
 
Aluisious said:
What's a lot worse is people waste a huge amount of time and money on things that dramatic but statistically negligible, like shooting rampages or terrorism, and they ignore the boring things that will definitely kill them, like poor auto safety training, toxic compounds, or eating too many fucking French fries.
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Looking at one's self is hard. We go to a lot of trouble to focus on anything else :p
 
Aluisious said:
What's a lot worse is people waste a huge amount of time and money on things that dramatic but statistically negligible, like shooting rampages or terrorism, and they ignore the boring things that will definitely kill them, like poor auto safety training, toxic compounds, or eating too many fucking French fries.
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Yea, my aunt is one of them...

She has self imposed diabetes through her addiction to fast food. Now I have nothing against fast food, in fact I like most fast foods but this woman literally goes 5 times a day.

Anyways, shes on government subsidized health insurance because of her ignorance but goes on to complain about other things ruining this country, one of them being guns, the other is teenage prostitution. No idea where she comes up with some of this stuff but the irony of the situation is there.
 
I will add, in San Diego there was a serious school shooting in one of the high schools, I was a Jr in HS at the time. Because of the shooting we sent millions of dollars putting fences around quite a bit of schools, even the ones in areas where people wore sweaters over their shoulders and drank tea with their pinky's out for lunch.

Next year there were 3 more shootings, even one at my own school, all of them were the ones with the fences to fend off this epidemic!

What happened after that? more fences went up!
 
If it had been a kitchen knife to the back of the head we'd have a better story. Anyways, lots of stupid here, but there isn't much to fix at this point since the 8 year old seems to have taken care of the problem already.
 
That's assuming the care giver is the only stupid in the story. Though, she certainly is one of them, since it's her gun and she left it out and loaded without considering their's a kid that could've killed himself or did her with it.

The kid will definitely need watching, I would imagine, the act itself, would have some pretty big repercussions on the kid, if he wasn't already messed up.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
The solution is education. The response is to do nothing. It was an accident, regardless of the intentions of the 8 year old. Reacting emotionally, without logic, isn't going to help anyone.
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I think you're probably spot on with this. Watching the report and reading it gives me the sense that this was an accident... An accident that could have/should have been easily preventable - but an accident nonetheless. Instead of pointing the finger as to the cause and what we as a people can do to prevent stupid accidents (because let's face it - as people we ALL do dumb shit), let's at least have a moment for the trauma that the kid and his family is going through.
 
Trimlock said:
Yea, my aunt is one of them...

She has self imposed diabetes through her addiction to fast food. Now I have nothing against fast food, in fact I like most fast foods but this woman literally goes 5 times a day.

Anyways, shes on government subsidized health insurance because of her ignorance but goes on to complain about other things ruining this country, one of them being guns, the other is teenage prostitution. No idea where she comes up with some of this stuff but the irony of the situation is there.
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LOL, teenage prostitution. That's seriously a problem that's got to affect 0.1% of the population. Obesity...40%.

I guess it's still more likely to happen to someone than being a terrorist victim.
 
I don't believe GTA had anything to do with this kid's actions. That's like saying disney infinity made me drive off a cliff.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I think you're probably spot on with this. Watching the report and reading it gives me the sense that this was an accident... An accident that could have/should have been easily preventable - but an accident nonetheless. Instead of pointing the finger as to the cause and what we as a people can do to prevent stupid accidents (because let's face it - as people we ALL do dumb shit), let's at least have a moment for the trauma that the kid and his family is going through.
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It's pretty terrible. This kid will likely need years of therapy, as will the family.

I agree with a previous poster that this is unacceptable behavior for any kid. He has some markers for being a monster, but I think proper parenting and therapy can fix it.

It's a sad tragedy. As a gun owner, I would urge anyone to make sure any firearms are secured and not at all accessible to children of that age, even if he knew a bit about firearm safety. Have some sense.
 
Quicksilver_ said:
ummm.... it actually did.
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i think he's saying that's one argument gun control supporters like to make, but just because something worked in one place doesnt mean it will work somewhere else. there are other variables in play as well that people tend to ignore when it suits their purpose.
 
ekuest said:
i think he's saying that's one argument gun control supporters like to make, but just because something worked in one place doesnt mean it will work somewhere else. there are other variables in play as well that people tend to ignore when it suits their purpose.
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The third reich worked awesome in Germany. Love the idiot comparisons as though if it works there it works here.
 
How does an 8-year-old even know how to aim a gun or cock the hammer?
 
Megalith said:
How does an 8-year-old even know how to aim a gun or cock the hammer?
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TV, Internet, common sense, toy guns, video games, could have been double action too.

I would be more surprised to find an 8 year old that could not manage to fire a gun by himself.
 
Megalith said:
How does an 8-year-old even know how to aim a gun or cock the hammer?
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depends on how heavy that hammer is, some of the guns I've fired didn't require much strength to pull, the guns itself are pretty heavy, which I'm surprised the kid could hold it in one place long enough to fire.
 
Quicksilver_ said:
ummm.... it actually did.
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Did what? Have you checked the crime and murder rates in Australia since the gun ban? I would not want to live there, its more dangerous now than downtown Chicago at night.

Fact is: Australias gun ban has had the exact opposite effect they were hoping for.

Reality sucks, but, they are the ones who have to deal with their own stupidity. I will try my best to not let the same stupidity exist over here in the US.
 
BBA said:
Did what? Have you checked the crime and murder rates in Australia since the gun ban?
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I would not want to live there, its more dangerous now than downtown Chicago at night.
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Fact is: Australias gun ban has had the exact opposite effect they were hoping for.
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Reality sucks, but, they are the ones who have to deal with their own stupidity. I will try my best to not let the same stupidity exist over here in the US.
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thanks for sharing
 
ekuest said:
exactly. so what's the solution? is it for someone to step in and take action? CPS to check out the house more? government to audit people with guns to make sure theyre locked up? outlaw all guns? send the parents to jail for criminal neglect?

obviously the grandparent was an unfit caretaker, but it's hard to find a solution to a problem like this, which is why people say "TAKE ALL THE GUNS" because it really is the only solution. they just dont understand that solving this one problem creates many others, as well as violating peoples' rights. you're just not gonna defeat the gun control nuts until you come up with an effective alternative to gun control, and there isnt one.
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the solution is we keep doing what we're doing, and people need to realize that shit happens and people die as a result. it's impossible to prevent EVERY SINGLE firearm mishap without crippling the system for everyone, which isn't an option.

for some reason there's this inherent false ideology people have that every bad thing can be prevented. and when bad shit happens, people rant and point their fatty fingers (tool) at law makers, and gun advocates saying they need to ban guns or add more restrictions on the current laws, when in fact they're just butthurt that one of their friends/relatives was injured/killed due to neglect or other user-error.

tl;dr - you can't prevent every mishap with a gun, just like you can't allow every child in the world proper parenting, the laws are fine the way they are.
 
mope54 said:
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thanks for sharing
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Really?

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/australia.html

Fact:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent).

Hot Burglaries are up 300% (where the intruders come in while you are home and knows that you are home).

In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.
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BBA said:
Really?

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/australia.html

Fact:
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I don't know what that site is but they don't cite any references. Next time you want to post "facts" do so from a reputable source if you want your opinion to be taken seriously.

This is the data from the Australian Institute of Criminology:
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/facts/1-20/2012/1_recorded.html

Table 1 Victims of selected violent crimes, 1996–2011 (n)
Homicidea Assaultb Sexual assault Robberyc Kidnapping/abduction
1996 354 114,156 14,542 16,372 478
1997 364 124,500 14,353 21,305 564
1998 334 130,903 14,689 23,801 707
1999 385 134,271 14,699 22,606 766
2000 362 138,708 16,406 23,336 695
2001 347 152,283 17,577 26,591 767
2002 366 160,118 18,718 20,989 706
2003 341 157,280 18,025 19,709 696
2004 302 156,849 19,171 16,513 768
2005 301 166,507 18,695 17,176 729
2006 321 172,441 19,555 17,375 726
2007 283 176,077 19,954 17,996 733
2008 293 170,720 19,992 16,513 788
2009 293 175,277 18,807 15,238 564
2010 260 171,083 17,757 14,582 603
2011 274 117,873 17,238 13,617 670
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the 12 month period directly after 1997 saw a 10% drop in homicides instead of a 3.2% increase as the blog you cited claims

since 1997 to 2011 there has been a 33% drop in homicides.

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People who go out and kill someone after playing a video game already had underlying mental issues, the game was simply a trigger, if it wasnt the game it would of been the 6 o'clock news after watching all the depressing crap, murders, war things on there that sets them off, or some rated R movie the kid should not of been watching.

Chalk up another one to bad parenting!
 
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