Apple Stock Soars 22% Over the Summer

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Just like the scene out of Monty Python where the peasant says I’m not dead yet…., Apple isn’t about to go away any time soon. Over the summer a strange thing happened: Apple stock rose 22% while other major companies showed little to no increase.

In contrast, Google and Microsoft stock have both decreased. Amazon's stock saw a modest increase of 2% over the same period.
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Yeah, the iPhone is doing a lot better than people expected even though market share is down.
 
They had a big infusion of capital when Icahn and other heavy hitters bought up stock.
 
There have been some investor analysts the past few weeks recommending apple stock since the new iphone is due out soon. Im pretty sure its still an inflated price but I for sure wouldnt of bought at the price prior to the surge or now.
 
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20 percent of iPhone users are Android converts

Apple is attracting customers faster than it's losing them

By Carly Page

Tue Aug 20 2013, 15:45

A SURVEY has revealed that 20 percent of recent iPhone buyers were previously using Android devices, showing that Apple is attracting users faster than it is losing them.

The survey released to Fortune by analyst outfit Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP) shows that 20 percent of people who bought an iPhone between June 2012 and June 2013 were fleeing from an Android device. The survey also revealed that seven percent of Samsung smartphone buyers had previously owned an iPhone.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2290021/20-percent-of-iphone-users-are-android-converts
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jstnomega said:
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It goes both ways, what the inq doesnt state is that there android users that are iphone converts as well.

The only thing we know for sure the market has been saturated by both android and ios.
 
Trimlock said:
It goes both ways, what the inq doesnt state is that there android users that are iphone converts as well.

The only thing we know for sure the market has been saturated by both android and ios.
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Yeah but the converts from android to ios are higher, that was the point of that(I think I read that on Cnet a week ago or so)

I did it myself, went from GS3 to iPhone 5. It sounds dumb but I mainly did it because I like how it feels/looks better and also seems most of my friends have iPhone's so iMessage is pretty convenient. Not sure if I'll go back to Android or stick with iOS when I get an upgrade in 2015 though, both seem nice to me.
 
I don't see myself moving to an Android phone unless they move away from the ridiculous phablet war. I just want a flagship 4.0~4.3 inch phone not some lame leftover mini version. I want to go android but until my problem is solved I just don't even look at them much.:)
 
What the article fails to mention is July 1st was very close to AAPL's lowest stock price since 2011.
 
BryanSTG said:
What about the HTC One Mini?

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_mini-5505.php
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dual core snapdragon 400, krait 200.

I do sort of understand where he is coming from though.

the devices are still GOOD, but they aren't the flagships like the 4.7 htc one, 5.xx+ note 3, 5" galaxy s4, etc.

if you were on verizon i'd look at the droid mini, it honestly looks like a pretty good device, but again doesn't have the specs of the bigger ones.
 
For a while there Apple had a PE of 10, 10, did you read that 10 lol. Some people had to be thinking that is too low. Also stocks are bull shit anyway. The powers that be love to throw their money and analyst around and pump and dump even the biggest stocks. With a PE of 10 they probably all started buying in now that they are in position they start trying to drum up interest majordomo takes the bait.
 
You dont need the specs of the flagship phones, most of those are pushing much higher resolutions which obviously are much more taxing then a smallerresolution screen.

Some things you miss out on is battery life and screen quality. Those are good reasons to not get minis. Battery life problems arent an issue on all of them though.
 
It's only because Android phones are basically low quality junk made in Asian sweatshops and no one in their right mind wants to be seen in public with one because everyone instantly knows you're a hipster snob wannabe as opposed to an actual hipster snob. :)
 
It would be a good time to buy stock, if you can afford it. After the release of the new phones and tablets, I think demand is going to go through the roof.
 
It's the standard buying on the dip. Apple started at a low price before the summer, hence the impressive return.

I firmly believe Android will keep eating Apple's lunch. Everywhere around me, people choose some variant of Android over iPhone. Apple really made a serious blunder releasing yet another phone with such a small screen and then bumbling the maps app (on ego over wanting to bump off Google Maps).
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
It's only because Android phones are basically low quality junk made in Asian sweatshops and no one in their right mind wants to be seen in public with one because everyone instantly knows you're a hipster snob wannabe as opposed to an actual hipster snob. :)
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Nice.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Yeah but the converts from android to ios are higher, that was the point of that(I think I read that on Cnet a week ago or so)

I did it myself, went from GS3 to iPhone 5. It sounds dumb but I mainly did it because I like how it feels/looks better and also seems most of my friends have iPhone's so iMessage is pretty convenient. Not sure if I'll go back to Android or stick with iOS when I get an upgrade in 2015 though, both seem nice to me.
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All people i know who bought an android phone ( mainly because of the price) had a terrible experience with them. Now they all look to buy an iphone because of the simplicity and ease of use of IOS.
 
id imagine there are alot of people in the same boat as me

-BB - no thanks, bad hardware ,bad OS
-Android... had 2.. both were awful, apps crashing overheating, poor poor battery life, fantastic screens, i like the android market, but when i dig my phone out at 11am and its hot to the touch and bettery is almost dead 3 hours into my work day... its a paper weight to me (Atrix and sgsII)
-Apple ip5 meh, ill try it... does the job, never crashes, apps work... longest ive stuck with a phone in a long time
 
... *pulls out his monochrome flip-phone* ...

Hey, it still works!
 
Just a dead cat bounce with the stock. It will be comming down again.

Apple needs lower priced devices to compete, yet if they do it will kill thier high margins. Apple has never had much luck when they had to compete on price.
 
nutzo said:
Just a dead cat bounce with the stock. It will be comming down again.

Apple needs lower priced devices to compete, yet if they do it will kill thier high margins. Apple has never had much luck when they had to compete on price.
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Apple didn't learn. Pure market share will make you boatloads and you will become very hard to replace. Closed market while you are have a huge technical/innovative advantage makes sense to reap huge rewards makes sense. Then when the competition comes close to you, opening your doors to maintain your industry position makes sense.


1976/77 - Apple I/II computers releases, first real consumer computers. The Apple II was the first personal computer many people ever saw, myself included.
1981 - IBM introduced its own Personal Computer
1982 - Franklin Ace, Basis 108 Apple II clones released, Apple goes after them sues and persues any method possible to stop cloning.
1983/84 - Apple Lisa/Macintosh Computer, first GUI / first affordable GUI computer.
1985 - Windows released, Competition between the IBM clones brought the price of the PC down, IBM compatible market share skyrockets. Apple continues to fight cloning.

Apple's sales did not keep up and the company was losing billions of dollars by 1997.

"The PC wars are over. Microsoft won" --- Steve Jobs




It's the same thing all over again with Android vs iOS. They had innovation with the iPhone/iPod. Others similar style devices come out using an alternate and open OS. All of these companies compete and innovate on a single platform, to the point that the alternate platform is now equal, cheaper, and developing faster that iOS. Google is getting better at what Apple does good faster than apple is getting better at what Google does good. If Cook is still around in 6-7 years I predict he'll be saying:

"The mobile wars are over. Google won" --- Tim Cook
 
Its not that apple cannot learn it is that their business model does not have a possible successful strategy for change. Apple being a single company is what allows them to win early in the growth of a market. Basically they have no conflict of interest because they have nothing to lose. They can create the whole product, how ever they can never create enough diversity and different products to fill all the niches, no single company ever can.

Also apple had no innovation, innovation would suggest you actually come up with a new idea, they didn't. They were just better fit because they were a single company to move faster and harder early on while other players were already either too deep in to change quickly MS and BB and how could they ever generate hype? Or too slow with their partners to move quickly Symbian android etc....

The funny thing is ultimately apple could have held on and been in great shape but in order to do that they had to be smart enough to see that google was going to kill them. They weren't, just like they weren't with Samsung. Apple had enough money and power to throw some bones the way of MS, BB, or other OEMs early on to limit how fast others grew, this would have stopped a monopoly from forming.

This happens over and over, in fact the very monopoly that apple was able to get over the music industry was similar, if the companies had been smart enough to prop up competitors all the music industry wouldn't be apples bitch right now.

Basically stupid companies think they can control everything and in doing so they create their own demise. Apples only possible path to success would be to split up the market share between 3 or 4 major players. They of course would never ever control a monopoly but at least then they could have held on to large profits and stayed a premium brand. But instead jobs and cook were stupid enough to think they could be the next MS.
 
rudy said:
Also apple had no innovation, innovation would suggest you actually come up with a new idea, they didn't. They were just better fit because they were a single company to move faster and harder early on while other players were already either too deep in to change quickly MS and BB and how could they ever generate hype? Or too slow with their partners to move quickly Symbian android etc....
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Huh? Everything changed in 2007 with the iPhone. Like the Macintosh in 1984, it changed the game in terms of user interfaces: physical keyboards and styluses were out, replaced by a large capacitive touchscreen that was finger-friendly. Also like the Mac, it was available only from a single vendor. Early adopters easily made converts when they showed off their phones to their friends, most of whom did not yet have smartphones. Competitors were caught flat-footed.

That's the very definition of innovation.



rudy said:
The funny thing is ultimately apple could have held on and been in great shape but in order to do that they had to be smart enough to see that google was going to kill them. They weren't, just like they weren't with Samsung. Apple had enough money and power to throw some bones the way of MS, BB, or other OEMs early on to limit how fast others grew, this would have stopped a monopoly from forming.
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While the iPhone was growing in popularity, it was still not available on all carriers (and in the United States, it was only available on AT&T). The others needed a product to compete, and Android was the right platform at the right time. Google gave away the software for free, which is always nice, and worked hard with the telecom companies to make it available on as many phones as possible. Just like with IBM compatible devices running DOS/Windows, Google is flooded the market with devices to take market share and entrench it's platform. With Android available on dozens of different models from different manufacturers Apple is buckling again. Apple is getting Microsofted in the mobile market, but this time by Google.
 
canna said:
Huh? Everything changed in 2007 with the iPhone. Like the Macintosh in 1984, it changed the game in terms of user interfaces: physical keyboards and styluses were out, replaced by a large capacitive touchscreen that was finger-friendly. Also like the Mac, it was available only from a single vendor. Early adopters easily made converts when they showed off their phones to their friends, most of whom did not yet have smartphones. Competitors were caught flat-footed.

That's the very definition of innovation.
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That's improving not innovating. Devices like the iPhone already existed, Apple just popularized and polished them. If something already exists and you copy it or use it as a base for your product that's definitely not innovating.
 
" term innovation can be defined as something original and new "

Go look up the LG, prada, iphone, then the archos mp3 players and tablets and you will clearly see apple did not bring anything new to the table. Yet tons of people even sadly on this forum credit apple with inventing or innovating these products. If apple innovated then innovation is a BS term that has no meaning. And innovation also has no meaning because it isn't fair. Half the products and services people in the USA think are innovative are actually only the product of a lucky bastard who got a contract everyone else was trying to get but could not. Netflix and movies, apple and mp3s etc....
 
rudy said:
" term innovation can be defined as something original and new "

Go look up the LG, prada, iphone, then the archos mp3 players and tablets and you will clearly see apple did not bring anything new to the table. Yet tons of people even sadly on this forum credit apple with inventing or innovating these products. If apple innovated then innovation is a BS term that has no meaning. And innovation also has no meaning because it isn't fair. Half the products and services people in the USA think are innovative are actually only the product of a lucky bastard who got a contract everyone else was trying to get but could not. Netflix and movies, apple and mp3s etc....
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You seem quite bitter about this, did something like that happen to you or something?
 
I am not bitter I am just pointing out how stupid it is for a supposedly tech savvy forum to be so ignorant.
 
rudy said:
I am not bitter I am just pointing out how stupid it is for a supposedly tech savvy forum to be so ignorant.
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Well guess why no one knows about the devices like that LG you mention...because they weren't advertised correctly/had flaws that bothered people. The reason why the iPhone is/was such a success is because it looks flashy and it actually works(except for a few problems here and there). When was the last time you had to restart an iPhone? For me, it was probably over 6 months ago, while with most Android phones you have to restart them at least weekly because of something. Maybe we aren't using the right terms, but you can't deny they at least started something for the smartphone industry.
 
No it was such a success because apple had a success with the iPod, this allowed apple to create a contract that NO other company since Motorola and the RAZR could get with any US carrier. Also your memory is short original iphone didn't have an app store it couldn't even copy and paste it had tons of flaws. The LG prada sold decently well where people actually have freedom in buying phones in GSM markets.

yes apple started something by having a wildly popular brand name they were able to force the US carriers to give up on one major thing eventually, they lost control off apps, remember you had to buy them from carriers before. But that wasn't because apple was brilliant, others tried, the carrier shoved their shit to the back and wouldn't sell it or wouldn't give them contracts.

When the iPhone released it was the first smart phone most people had, those people didn't experience restarts etc.. they never had a smart phone before. So if you think advertising and hype is innovation then by all means go ahead and use the term, that's not what Wikipedia says though.
 
Also there were no android phones at the time, in fact that only proves your point has no meaning, because android phones came in later and still took over, even if you claim you had to restart them constantly etc...
 
Trimlock said:
Im pretty sure its still an inflated price but I for sure wouldnt of bought at the price prior to the surge or now.
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Oh really, stock market maven? Apple is overpriced?

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MajorDomo said:
Just like the scene out of Monty Python where the peasant says I’m not dead yet…., Apple isn’t about to go away any time soon. Over the summer a strange thing happened: Apple stock rose 22% while other major companies showed little to no increase.
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Oh, you mean the most valuable company in the world isn't going away any time soon? That's news.
 
rudy said:
Also there were no android phones at the time, in fact that only proves your point has no meaning, because android phones came in later and still took over, even if you claim you had to restart them constantly etc...
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Yeah I wonder why, I think my point went straight over your head...
 
Am I seriously the only one not surprised by this? Hipsters have been on the rise so this only makes sense.
 
rudy said:
"term innovation can be defined as something original and new "
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No, that's an invention. Innovation is when a company successfully ties an invention to a market. Innovation is the difference between a good idea and a profitable one.
 
nutzo said:
Apple needs lower priced devices to compete,
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False. Apple is the most profitable mobile company on earth. I'd call that competing.

yet if they do it will kill thier high margins.
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The iPhone 5C will likely have about 38% gross margins, double Samsung's (Apple's margins last quarter were 36.87%). And these will be marketed to areas where Apple has little iPhone market share to cannibalize anyway (i.e., China, India). Samesung should be very afraid of the 5C.

Apple has never had much luck when they had to compete on price.
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Really? Please tell me all the PC makers that out-competed Apple and are winners today. How'd that race to the bottom work out for them? Dell? Gateway? HP? IBM? Compaq?

Meanwhile, Apple currently enjoys half the worldwide profits on PC sales.
 
uclajd said:
False. Apple is the most profitable mobile company on earth. I'd call that competing.



The iPhone 5C will likely have about 38% gross margins, double Samsung's (Apple's margins last quarter were 36.87%). And these will be marketed to areas where Apple has little iPhone market share to cannibalize anyway (i.e., China, India). Samesung should be very afraid of the 5C.



Really? Please tell me all the PC makers that out-competed Apple and are winners today. How'd that race to the bottom work out for them? Dell? Gateway? HP? IBM? Compaq?

Meanwhile, Apple currently enjoys half the worldwide profits on PC sales.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...-apple-as-worlds-most-profitable-phone-maker/
 
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