Fired For Calling Out Non-Tipping Customer On Twitter

I just can't believe this entitlement attitude of so many posting here! The idea that you feel your employer isn't paying you enough, so I as a customer am OBLIGATED to ensure your wages are increased is insane! If the service is bad, does my bill get cheaper ? No .. . .?

Why is it my responsibility to ensure you are happy with your earnings, and your job!?

Yes if your service is bad your bill gets cheaper because that's when you don't leave them a tip. If the service was average, then pay average.

In Michigan, waitresses make about $2.65/hr. If you don't leave a tip, your waitress still has to pay 5% of your total bill, out of pocket to the other waitresses as tipshare. Your server loses money out of their paycheck by serving you!
 
I sure was not trolling and I was very serious. If I go out to eat I make sure to bring people with me so they can leave a tip if they want but at the same time I was also being honest that most of the time I just tell the waiter/waitress to go away after they bring the food.

I find it very annoying when they come to your table 10 times in 30 minutes and ask the same stupid question "hows the food" "How are you guys doing". I mean come on you just ask me those same 2 questions a good 5 times each. I told you the first time it was fine you dont have to repeat yourself.

Even if she has a really sweet pair of tits? I just had a wonderful meal and damn near asked the waitress when she was getting off. I found myself wanting her to check in about every 30 seconds lol.
 
Also if you've never met a restaurant manager around here, if you complained that you didn't make minimum wage one day and said you should be compensated by law, you would get fired later that week.
 
I tip well for good service and low for bad service.

I have family that worked in a service job and learned in my 20s about proper tipping. I've left quarters for extremely shit service, example, when you ask a waiter for something and he doesn't deliver but spends his time at a large table expecting a big tip, forgetting about your table...

Exactly, granted I've never worked in such a job. Service is what I think about for a tip. I've done tips, like 5$ on a 7$ meal or zero on a 40$ meal completely dependent on quality of service.
 
Bullshit if pay for performance is so fucking important then why aren't all our jobs based on that.

Further it's a load of crap because even if they deliver on exceptional service you don't have to tip them anything, along with the fact quite often servers pool all their tips and split them after the shift.

If the idea is to ensure good service based on a sort of pay for performance structure then it's a poorly constructed structure.

Your life manta is that life is unfair so get used to it and become better so you can get away from it, is a pretty depressing outlook. Rather then life is unfair change what's unfair about it.

FAIL!


Again why is it my job to ensure your happy with your job and your wages! In life you are entitled to NOTHING!

Also why would I have a "manta"?

Life is unfair, and constantly bitching about why and what is unfair about it, earns you nothing but lousy tips.;)
 
If its one thing you can depend on its all the freaks chiming in on the Internet whenever a topic comes up discussing religion or tipping...wow. Common courtesy goes a long way, same with tipping.
 
i think my tone is quite civil but you're free to read as much hostility into it as you care to invent for your purposes.

serving has no deadlines. people dont order their food and say "if this isnt in front of me in 15 minutes i am leaving and you are not getting paid." it is recommended you get it out as fast as possible obviously, but unless the restaurant management gives you a deadline, there isnt one. there is responsibility in that if you fail then someone doesnt get their food on time, and/or you dont get a tip. you don't cost your company thousands or millions of dollars or get fired or disbarred. i wont go into detail how my responsibilities are more important to society than getting someone their tacos on time because then you will go on about me being arrogant or self-righteous or whatever, but yes they are. there are also a lot of jobs that dont require a degree, and even that pay minimum wage (less than service industry) that are more important than food service. in fact, i am having a hard time thinking of anything less important than food service.
Dude, why feed the troll?
 
Yes if your service is bad your bill gets cheaper because that's when you don't leave them a tip. If the service was average, then pay average.

In Michigan, waitresses make about $2.65/hr. If you don't leave a tip, your waitress still has to pay 5% of your total bill, out of pocket to the other waitresses as tipshare. Your server loses money out of their paycheck by serving you!

I always tip! It's just not always 20%! Again if I spend half my meal choking down my food because I have nothing to drink, why should I pay the same as if I did!

I'm not arguing against tipping, not tipping makes you the ass not the server!

I am arguing against entitled people who feel that because their job sucks it's my responsibility to make it better for them!
 
lol Wut??

that is how things work with real jobs if your a burger flipper maybe not.!

You don't get up the corporate ladder if your performance sucks.

And when you move up the chain you make more money.

When its time for performance reviews if your review is terrible you don't get a promotion and more money.

Have you ever held a job in an office? Because this is common knowledge?
Yes but your still an houry wage your pay for your performance is only a quarterly/biannual/annual basis not an everyday or every week sort of deal. Plenty of jobs could be based around a pay for performance and quota's but they aren't. The point is your bi-monthly, monthly pay isn't heavily tied to your intimidate performance just to your future prospects.
FAIL!


Again why is it my job to ensure your happy with your job and your wages! In life you are entitled to NOTHING!

Also why would I have a "manta"?

Life is unfair, and constantly bitching about why and what is unfair about it, earns you nothing but lousy tips.;)
It's not your dam job but to keep other people down and agree to keep them down because you're already ahead of them is crap. You're not just ignoring them you actively wishing for things not to improve. Constantly being unhappy and bitching is how progress is made being content is how shit doesn't get done.
 
I always tip! It's just not always 20%! Again if I spend half my meal choking down my food because I have nothing to drink, why should I pay the same as if I did!

I'm not arguing against tipping, not tipping makes you the ass not the server!

I am arguing against entitled people who feel that because their job sucks it's my responsibility to make it better for them!
Or it's your job and you'll do it because you're paid well and you'd want to keep your job.
 
It's not your dam job but to keep other people down and agree to keep them down because you're already ahead of them is crap. You're not just ignoring them you actively wishing for things not to improve. Constantly being unhappy and bitching is how progress is made being content is how shit doesn't get done.

Or it's your job and you'll do it because you're paid well and you'd want to keep your job.

Wait .. . . . . what ?

So according to you, me not blindly passing out 20 dollar bills for a 30 dollar meal, means I am oppressing people, and "actively wishing for things not to improve"?

Your logic is beyond flawed!

Sure you could make the argument for many jobs to be performance based, however almost all other jobs require some amount of skill, or training or lots of school to obtain them! Not the same for food service, where aside from fine dinning, there isn't the requirement for years of school and training to acquire a position to be a waiter or bus tables.

And that is the key difference! All you sound like is the green eyed monster whom is angry that others have more than you, and that they aren't blindly handing you their money.:eek:
 
Wow...so many people here are jackholes...

Tipping is part of the wage. That is why the companies are allowed to pay crap ass wages.

To all of you that say any of the following:

If you dont like the wage, dont work there
You are not entitled to a tip
Food service workers make decent wages


Screw you. I hope when you go back to a place you fail to tip at they spit in your food. Serves you right.

Shame on you

It's not my fault that an employer decides to make people scrabble for tips, rather than paying them a fair wage and pricing their food accordingly.

It's also not my fault that people actually CHOOSE to take these jobs and scrabble for tips, rather than taking a job that pais them a fair wage.

A tip/gratuity is, in effect, a service charge. If, as a customer, I don't get service (or lousy service), why am I obligated to pay for something I didn't receive?
 
Wait .. . . . . what ?

So according to you, me not blindly passing out 20 dollar bills for a 30 dollar meal, means I am oppressing people, and "actively wishing for things not to improve"?

Your logic is beyond flawed!

Sure you could make the argument for many jobs to be performance based, however almost all other jobs require some amount of skill, or training or lots of school to obtain them! Not the same for food service, where aside from fine dinning, there isn't the requirement for years of school and training to acquire a position to be a waiter or bus tables.

And that is the key difference! All you sound like is the green eyed monster whom is angry that others have more than you, and that they aren't blindly handing you their money.:eek:
No you want the tip i'd argue get rid of the tip all together pay the people a normal wage and just bump up the prices of your food. Why is pay for performance knocked down to servers. Instead of the restaurant owner firing incompetent workers, it's a very one sided agreement tipping in resurants.
 
Hopefully you smug little douchebags get outsourced or replaced with foreign labor. Soon. I'll be voting for whoever promises to replace you.
 
ervice was average, then pay average.

In Michigan, waitresses make about $2.65/hr. If you don't leave a tip, your waitress still has to pay 5% of your total bill, out of pocket to the other waitresses as tipshare. Your server loses money out of their paycheck by serving you!

and that's why the whole system is fucked up.

Pay the workers a minimum wage and stop this tipping nonsense
 
You are right. I left that part out. The base pay is below minimum wage, whatever they don't make up for in tips to get equal to or above minimum wage is required to be made up by the employer.
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oh rly. I didn't know that. I thought California was one of the few states that mandates $8 minimum wage to be paid to food servers.

Other than that, I always hear other waiters bitching about their $3 salary. If they are paid minimum wage in the end, what's the big deal?
 
if you read that as arrogance then that only reflects your own defensiveness or emotional vulnerability. i was simply pointing out that because i have a degree, i can do a job that someone who did not get my degree can not do. that is a fact. so tell me what's so difficult about writing down an order right, carrying it all the way from one side of a room to the other, and being somewhat courteous and i will tell you what is difficult about being an engineer.

Wow...

Its called common courtesy. Look it up...it will take you far in life.

Fact is a lot of service workers go to school so they can get better jobs. I would love to meet the person that just got out of high school and landed a $50k+ a year job with no experience or education.
 
I love reading how people with zero empathy think service workers are not taken advantage of.

Having a degree does not exempt you from being a douchbag.
 
Wow...

Its called common courtesy. Look it up...it will take you far in life.

Fact is a lot of service workers go to school so they can get better jobs. I would love to meet the person that just got out of high school and landed a $50k+ a year job with no experience or education.

There are few of them around here on [H], especially the older members.
 
The keyword is stress. Being a server technician is not as stressful as dealing with hungry people. ;) You have no idea what all they have going on. You even said yourself that you seen the server taking orders. Ever stopped to think that the server got tables at a faster pace than humanly possible to serve them in a timely manner, yet was stilling doing the best that he could? Someone probably should have helped him if he was in the weeds that bad, sadly most people don't help and the managers are usually impossible to find when you need them.

Wait, what? I didn't say anything about seeing the server taking orders.

And like I said, if it's more than humanly possible, then he shouldn't have tried to add our table to his list of tables to wait on. Which, I over heard him talking to the Manager about. Specifically asking why he was waiting on our table. I would have rather him not, if he was not gonna do it properly, hell even close to anything being called properly. Considering he left and never came back or brought out all the food.

And you know what? The manager did help him. The manager, actually, the one who gave us our check because he wasn't any where to be found. So, yea, don't automatically assume Managers are bad, like you seem to think that all servers deserve a tip, regardless of how shitty he is.

Sounds to me, as well, that you have worked as a server, and if anything, it seems to me that you have a bias for servers.

So yea... don't expect tips if you don't do a good job.
 
Have you ever worked as a waiter or a delivery driver? Do you have any idea how averages and percentages work?

Tips on the large orders make up for tightfisted people who think its ok to derp around and tip a flat fee rather than a percent. Also, the larger the order, generally the more items that are brought out to you, hence the waiter is doing more work per order.
No where is that more important than being a waiter or waitress where it is completely 100% legal to pay below the minimum wage and their entire earning potential comes from tips. For delivery drivers that get paid more than minimum wage the tipping is debatable, but their pay still isn't that good and they have to deal with extra wear and tear on their vehicle.

I can agree with the waiters, because I have higher expectations on the service on more expensive restaurants.
However, delivery? You bringing me that pizza or sushi makes no difference.
 
Wow...so many people here are jackholes...

Tipping is part of the wage. That is why the companies are allowed to pay crap ass wages.

To all of you that say any of the following:

If you dont like the wage, dont work there
You are not entitled to a tip
Food service workers make decent wages


Screw you. I hope when you go back to a place you fail to tip at they spit in your food. Serves you right.

Shame on you


No shame on you for having a delusional false sense of entitlement.



I totally agree with you. My original remark was in regards to people who think its ok to tip the same $2 they would for a burger and fries that they would a $25 steak. If the waiter is a jerk or doesn't do his job, it doesn't matter how much the meal is.

Using a percentage of the order combined with averages over all the orders served helps the employee when there are good tippers and bad tippers so they at least stay above the minimum wage line. That is all I was pointing out.;)

So its our responsibility to not only make sure our servers are paid appropriately for the services they provide us but also the service they provide some other person? Yea, no...

With that attitude and reasoning, I'm a jackass for ordering the cheapest thing on the menu despite being able to afford the most expensive.

No, I'll stick to my flat rate based on service, not the cost of my meal. Why? Because with it, I typically tip 50% and I'm obviously doing a disservice to these fine people by changing my ways.


Because it was goddamn expensive and we are bitter.

This is also probably mostly true too.



Funny thing is, an article about Drew Brees only tipping 3 bucks popped up in my news feed this morning. Funnier thing was that it was on take out. Someone actually tipped you for take out and you bitch just because they have a crap ton of money? That speaks volumes for the false sense of entitlement the service industry breeds.
 
2 things:
A lot of places do actually ask for a percentage of the tips to go into a pool that is split between the cooks and bus boys.

Cooking a steak to order that is cooked properly, while cooking 15 other steaks, a dozen chicken breasts, and 5 orders of grilled salmon is pretty freaking hard, actually.

It really depends on the cook. I would surely have a rough time with that amount, but someone who works the line frequently would find cooking large amounts easy as they have tons of experience. Experienced cooks can look at a steak and tell how cooked it is quickly.(or press on it lightly)

The interesting question would be how large of a location would be needed to have 32 items cooked by one cook at a time. That is 8-12 tables worth of food. Assuming 15 minute cook time which is likely a little high. That would be 32-48 tables an hour. 128-192 tables a night. Not bad.
 
Both parties involved played it wrong. When part of your wage involves gratuities it will always be a roller coaster. Unfortunately the bad tips stick with you longer than the good ones, in the end though it averages out. On this planet when service is involved you will always encounter the odd person who's an tight waded ass, there's nothing you can do about but take the high road. As soon as you call someone out about "improper etiquette" guess what? Your a hypocrite. That being said, if I had an account of the customers experience prior to being asked for a tip I could determine weather a tip was in fact justified (by definition its not). For all we know they could've placed the order and the entire truck bitched and moaned about it. The food truck worker sounds like an entitled ass for blatantly asking for tip and the customers arrogant cheapskates. Calling to complain and getting the worker fired however was an offside move but then again I don't know exactly what was said or done as both parties parted.
 
$170 food order of which $120 was probably pure profit.

My heart bleeds.
 
People really underestimate the amount that fresh-out-of-highschool service workers make. People tip way too much.

You want to tip someone? Tip those with jobs where tipping isnt seen as standard. They make far less for much harder minimum wage jobs.

All of the waiters I know make about $15-$20hr with tips included. Of course if you're an awful waiter it might be a miserable $10hr.
 
Yes, that money goes to the owner.

And it's the owners responsibility to pay his staff more if he wants quality staff or thinks they deserve more for their "hard work".

Can we come back from the social ramifications of the customers directly paying the underpaid (or not) wait staff, this story is not about a restaurant or a delivery boy or any other job that its customary to tip. This was basically a fucking TACO TRUCK. There is no wait staff, at most there's someone taking orders, and giving those orders to cooks, not highly skilled chefs... hell chances are they aren't even mediocre skilled chefs. The guy was bitching that 12 sandwich orders brought his entire operation to a standstill, oh a couple of them take longer on the grill, and the assembly job is difficult on a few OF A FUCKING SANDWICH! I'm seriously curious about what sandwiches were ordered.

Here's a rule of thumb he, and many others in this thread, need to learn. Just because you put an old jar that you would have thrown away with the word "TIP" written on it does not mean you are in an industry that deserves tips... in fact if you go that far to let people know there's an option to tip you probably are NOT in a job that tips are expected. You don't see a tip jar in a restaurant do you? you don't see a tip jar in a cab do you? you don't see a tip jar at the barber shop do you?
 
I love subsidising business owners wag bills.

If folks stopped tipping then the bosses might be forced to start paying more respectable wages.

Tipping for the sake of making up wages below the living wage should be made illegal.

It's the 21st century after all.

You should only need to tip someone if they have done a superb job and you feel generous towards them. Expecting a tip because your wages are too low to live on is just wrong in this day and age.
 
All of the waiters I know make about $15-$20hr with tips included. Of course if you're an awful waiter it might be a miserable $10hr.

It really depends on the place one works and the back-end terms. It is complex math and sometimes things like prep and cleanup time are not taken into account. Good waitstaff normally make exceptional money and can easily pay for college while having reasonable time to study.

The problem now is every case is different. Often staff do not know how bad the service they offer actually was...They assume everything they do is amazing and the person should be so grateful. On the other hand sometimes people abuse wait staff and then offer zero tip just because they can...other times you have bosses forcing hours of near free work out of staff. Some locations now want 30% tips.

I do think tipping is a little out of hand at pickup locations, fast food places, food trucks and takeout. It is so silly how everyone was to externalize every fee/cost. Basically now it seems to be defray my labor costs so I can advertise lower prices.

Even when I tip I feel most staff never blink an eye anymore. In the past I always felt that the tip I offered was accepted with gratitude back and did seem to increase performance. Now a days you tip 20% you are lucky to get quickly grunted thank you. Not sure if I have changed or if staff ....
 
Even when I tip I feel most staff never blink an eye anymore. In the past I always felt that the tip I offered was accepted with gratitude back and did seem to increase performance. Now a days you tip 20% you are lucky to get quickly grunted thank you. Not sure if I have changed or if staff ....

Sadly I see this more often now as well. I think there are just too many people that are bad tippers out there. I'm not taking about the non-tippers, I'm talking about the blind tippers. I think they do far more damage to the industry than the cheap assholes.
 
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