Windows 8.1 To RTM By August

Can you post a screenshot of some offensive ads or are you just going off what you think it's like?
 
mope54 said:
Can you post a screenshot of some offensive ads or are you just going off what you think it's like?
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My question is who is freaking out over the ad links that they see in search results in web based searches today? If I search for "ford" with the integrated search I see some ad links for ford.com and Carmax.com. Gee, kind of what one would expect, ad link or no. The same thing you'd see in a browser.
 
heatlesssun said:
My question is who is freaking out over the ad links that they see in search results in web based searches today? If I search for "ford" with the integrated search I see some ad links for ford.com and Carmax.com. Gee, kind of what one would expect, ad link or no. The same thing you'd see in a browser.
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But, with some obscure searches (maybe searching for porn on your PC), you won't get those top companies doing the advertising.

Plus, when you search Google, I see two Ford links. The first one is the ad, the second is the actual site. There are a lot of searches that the ad will take you to an 'official' looking site where you can buy the product, but it is a non-authorized dealer.

Web based searches are fine. Can I replace my Windows search provider with Google instead of Bing like I can with my browsers? No? The EU will probably have a fit there. I prefer Bing myself, and the results are fine. I just see this as a trial run to see if they could do the whole Xbox dashboard style ads in Metro. Advertising is where the money is, and they are pushing advertising into everything.
 
mope54 said:
Can you post a screenshot of some offensive ads or are you just going off what you think it's like?
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Offensive? None. I just don't want them there at all. Not for a default Windows search function.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Web based searches are fine. Can I replace my Windows search provider with Google instead of Bing like I can with my browsers? No? The EU will probably have a fit there.
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The business politics of integrating Google into the integrated search would be complex at best and it's hard to see how such a thing would be worked out. This is more than just a simple web browser search. There's the server side work being down with the Search Hero and the integration of Modern apps. It's very much inline with the way mobile search works and currently I don't seen a lot in the way of regulatory issues with Android devices being tied into Google Search.

Ur_Mom said:
I prefer Bing myself, and the results are fine. I just see this as a trial run to see if they could do the whole Xbox dashboard style ads in Metro. Advertising is where the money is, and they are pushing advertising into everything.
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The economics of the web are tied to advertising. Without it, the web would be vastly different and probably a lot smaller. We can talk about the evils of ads but the bottom line is that the mobile space is fueled by web services and the integration of those services with the cloud and apps. These capabilities HAVE to exit on the PC in order for it to be a relevant consumer platform. And there has to be a way to fund it that's cheap fro consumers and that's why we have ads.
 
heatlesssun said:
The business politics of integrating Google into the integrated search would be complex at best and it's hard to see how such a thing would be worked out. This is more than just a simple web browser search. There's the server side work being down with the Search Hero and the integration of Modern apps. It's very much inline with the way mobile search works and currently I don't seen a lot in the way of regulatory issues with Android devices being tied into Google Search.



The economics of the web are tied to advertising. Without it, the web would be vastly different and probably a lot smaller. We can talk about the evils of ads but the bottom line is that the mobile space is fueled by web services and the integration of those services with the cloud and apps. These capabilities HAVE to exit on the PC in order for it to be a relevant consumer platform. And there has to be a way to fund it that's cheap fro consumers and that's why we have ads.
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Yeah except they charge for the OS and OEM load PC with full of Bloatware. I guess MS got jealous. Maybe they should get into building PC's game. I can understand an OEM doing this but MS is just fucking greed.

I just block Bing by default via GPO's on all my networks. Bing is such a piece of shit in Canada.
 
The only reason the web and tv have so many ad's is because the general people will put up with it and are just sheep. Many years ago when cable came out they used to toot their horn about since you pay for cable you don't have to watch commercials! Ya that didn't last long.
 
Wrench00 said:
Yeah except they charge for the OS and OEM load PC with full of Bloatware. I guess MS got jealous. Maybe they should get into building PC's game. I can understand an OEM doing this but MS is just fucking greed.
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Well of course it's about greed, that's the core of capitalism. If Microsoft did search without ads you'd call it an NSA trap and crappy anyway. Might as well get paid for the trouble.:D
 
heatlesssun said:
Well of course it's about greed, that's the core of capitalism. If Microsoft did search without ads you'd call it an NSA trap and crappy anyway. Might as well get paid for the trouble.:D
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Thats right but the big question is why should consumers Subsidize Bing? Why should any one subsidize any failed company or product.

Oh Yeah you're an American the land of Bailout and social "restructuring".
 
Wrench00 said:
Thats right but the big question is why should consumers Subsidize Bing? Why should any one subsidize any failed company or product.

Oh Yeah you're an American the land of Bailout and social "restructuring".
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Microsoft has a AAA credit rating, higher that of the US Government (though Canada is still in there), one of only 4 American companies which enjoy that distinction that not even Apple or Google have, has money only once in a quarter since going public 27 years ago and that was just a write down with no material loss and has $70 in cash. Sorry, sometimes your self-proclaimed hatred of everyone does leads to irrational thinking.

BTW I am something of a fan of the Canadian banking system. As I have said before, despite all of your claims about me working for Microsoft, I work in an IT division that deals with risk management systems for a US mega bank. The Canadian banking system has not had a major failure for nearly two centuries because Canadian banking regulation is risk adverse which largely prevented Canadian banks from getting involved in the US housing bubble in the last decade.
 
Ah, glad to see this thread. Another 40 page anti-Microsoft cryfest.Redundant much?

I'll be glad when 8.1 finally gets here.
 
heatlesssun said:
It makes a lot of sense from a consumer standpoint. One place to do all searches. Some results then tie directly into other apps and services. It the same kind of thing that people LOVE on smart phones and tablets. I don't understand why the same thing would apply to the PC. And it's not random ads, the ad links are the same ad links that people see in browsers all of the time and most never even think twice about because the links are relevant to the search.
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Well thats bullshit. The universal search on my smartphone isn't showing me ads as part of the results.

I'm curious why you post about these ads being built into windows internal search behavior as not only a good thing but post as though your job and life depends on it.
 
Eradan said:
Ah, glad to see this thread. Another 40 page anti-Microsoft cryfest.Redundant much?

I'll be glad when 8.1 finally gets here.
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Qft! I will be glad when it gets here as well. Then we can hear more of the cryfests about other things Microsoft. Oh well, life still goes on none the less. :D
 
JayteeBates said:
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Now works on Windows 8 and comes very close to making it look like Windows 7! No more metro and a functional start button.
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That's good, I'm glad there's one more option to mask Metro.
Classic Shell is my preferred choice, and I've seen good things with Start8.

Hopefully Microsoft won't kill compatibility for these apps with 8.1.
But I'm sure they will, because they listen to the almighty dollar far more than they do their loyal customers and user-base.
 
Red Falcon said:
That's good, I'm glad there's one more option to mask Metro.
Classic Shell is my preferred choice, and I've seen good things with Start8.

Hopefully Microsoft won't kill compatibility for these apps with 8.1.
But I'm sure they will, because they listen to the almighty dollar far more than they do their loyal customers and user-base.
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Ummm, OS changes, things that work in the OS to change it breaks, that is not Microsoft killing compatibility at all. That just means that the program needs to be updated, but, whatever, you will believe what you want to and that is that.
 
heatlesssun said:
Microsoft has a AAA credit rating, higher that of the US Government (though Canada is still in there), one of only 4 American companies which enjoy that distinction that not even Apple or Google have, has money only once in a quarter since going public 27 years ago and that was just a write down with no material loss and has $70 in cash. Sorry, sometimes your self-proclaimed hatred of everyone does leads to irrational thinking.

BTW I am something of a fan of the Canadian banking system. As I have said before, despite all of your claims about me working for Microsoft, I work in an IT division that deals with risk management systems for a US mega bank. The Canadian banking system has not had a major failure for nearly two centuries because Canadian banking regulation is risk adverse which largely prevented Canadian banks from getting involved in the US housing bubble in the last decade.
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Right. Canada has it's own massive housing bubble as well as some of the most indebted consumers in the world.

http://www.crackshackormansion.com
 
zero1945 said:
Right. Canada has it's own massive housing bubble as well as some of the most indebted consumers in the world.

http://www.crackshackormansion.com
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Yeah the bubble here will never pop to many safety features.

You can thank the Feminist movement for this err I should say Marxist movement. Women got the privilege to work err, Obligation effectively doubling tax base and our government went nuts on spending. Look at government spending since the 1970.
We will have a major problem as early by 2025 and 2030 when Baby boomers start dying, Canadian negative birth rate and immigration problems are gone start happening all industrialized nations are going to have a massive problem. Look at Russia Shrinking by 700k a year. Look at Poland lost close to 15% of its population. Japan has stagnated for how long now, future generations are gone get a bigger tax burden.

This is why in Canada we have TFSA noq (Tax Free Savings and Investing accounts) the government knows that there will be no money by the time my generation start retiring around 2048.
 
heatlesssun said:
You can find bubbles just about anywhere with a developed economy. The fact is that Canada's banking system is much more risk adverse than most of the developed world and doesn't see large scale systemic failures.
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The only "fact" present here is that Canada's banks are exposed to a housing bubble.

It's not relevant if bubbles occur elsewhere. Bringing that up is called deflection.
 
zero1945 said:
The only "fact" present here is that Canada's banks are exposed to a housing bubble.

It's not relevant if bubbles occur elsewhere. Bringing that up is called deflection.
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When was the last time the Canadian banking system experienced a widespread systemic failure. Housing bubbles happen all of the time, they don't have to take out the entire financial system.
 
heatlesssun said:
When was the last time the Canadian banking system experienced a widespread systemic failure. Housing bubbles happen all of the time, they don't have to take out the entire financial system.
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Before 2008, when was the last time a housing bubble took out the entire US financial system?
 
zero1945 said:
Before 2008, when was the last time a housing bubble took out the entire US financial system?
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But that's just it, a normal housing bubble bursting WOULDN'T have taken out the entire US financial system. Sure, some banks would have failed but the risk in housing shouldn't have been tied as deeply and to as many institutions as it was. The biggest single failure in all of this was AIG, an insurance which doesn't even have a mortgage business. AIG out of pure and catastrophic greed decided to underwrite TRILLIONS of dollars of "insurance" on tons of worthless CDOs. This is the kind of thing that just wouldn't happen in the Canadian financial system, as I've said before, its very risk adverse compared to most of the developed world's financial systems. Of course there's some risk even in the Canadian system, all financial systems have to have some risk in order function but they don't have to take on insane amounts of risk.
 
heatlesssun said:
But that's just it, a normal housing bubble bursting WOULDN'T have taken out the entire US financial system. Sure, some banks would have failed but the risk in housing shouldn't have been tied as deeply and to as many institutions as it was. The biggest single failure in all of this was AIG, an insurance which doesn't even have a mortgage business. AIG out of pure and catastrophic greed decided to underwrite TRILLIONS of dollars of "insurance" on tons of worthless CDOs. This is the kind of thing that just wouldn't happen in the Canadian financial system, as I've said before, its very risk adverse compared to most of the developed world's financial systems. Of course there's some risk even in the Canadian system, all financial systems have to have some risk in order function but they don't have to take on insane amounts of risk.
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Last time Canadian financial system was in crisis like the American banking system was around 100 years ago maybe longer then that. Canadian banks got bailout in 2008 but the used that money to purchase more American banks. I believe there was a single bank failure not of the big 5 in 1980's. Try an google or bing, Canadian bank failure or Canadian finanical crisis and see how many hits you get.
 
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