The Eizo FS2333 is brilliant. And vs my Asus VH236H...

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I just got in my new Eizo FS2333 from Amazon.com.

For reference, I was using an Asus VH236H up until this point, and had grown a little frustrated with the limited viewing angles on it over the last 6 months of ownership. That's TN for you.

Things I wanted in a ~23" 1080p monitor:

1.) GAMING. Needs to be great for gaming.
2.) Great input lag.
3.) Great pixel response.
4.) Must be VESA-compliant for my mount.
5.) Must have a way to play audio from HDMI sources. Doesn't need to have speakers, but must have line-out/headphone out.
6.) No glossy finish.
7.) Must work with my XBOX 360, PS3, Wii U, Wii (with Wii2HDMI adapter), Ouya, iMac (via Thunderbolt -> HDMI), forthcoming XBOX ONE and PS4.

So, the Asus VH236 is/was a great monitor for the money. I got it new for around $125, and it's served its purpose well. The downside to it is that if you even move your head slightly off center, the color/brightness shift is intense. Vertical color/brightness shift is just awful, and slouching in my office chair while gaming is a REAL no-no since the top of the display gets so dim.. TN TN TN *sigh*

Here's the Asus straight on playing The Last of Us. You can see the TN glow top and bottom of the display (hey, even TN has a glow!):

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And here's the Asus when slouching (admittedly exaggerated slouch) too low in my chair:

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Anyway, I've looked at SO many monitors lately that I simply grew weary. The last one I looked at was the Dell U2312HM. Dell got so many things right with this one. Matte finish, non-glossy display, USB ports (nice bonus!) etc. But what they neglected to include was an HDMI port. How this happened is beyond me. I need audio from my sources without a mess of wires or split signals! I also wanted a faster panel than the Dell if possible...

Anyway, I wasn't intending to spend $400+ on a monitor, but the Eizo FS2333 just beckoned to me. It arrived today, and I've spent quite a bit of the day playing with it.

It's fantastic.

First, the design. I don't really care for it. It's a bizarrely ugly duckling. The Asus VH236H is ugly, too, and has a glossy bezel, so I prefer the matte finish of the bezel on the Eizo, but it's certainly not attractive. The included (crappy) speakers are... crappy, much like on the Asus :D

But now some good things:

1.) The Eizo has almost zero backlight bleed. It has an IPS glow, but that's to be expected. It's certainly some of the best I've seen from any IPS panel, and with any ambient light it's basically not there. It looks great. The coating on the screen is as close to perfect as I'd imagine.

2.) The g2g and input lag are both the absolute best I've seen on any IPS panel. No ghosting, smearing, or missed head-shots in Battlefield 3. Excellent, excellent stuff. Eizo outdid themselves here.

3.) The way the audio portion of the monitor was designed is genius. So there are built-in speakers which suck. I have a BOSE SoundLink (I got it for free, so..yeah) connected to the line-out of the Eizo. At that point, the volume buttons on the display are disabled. This is clever because you don't have to worry about setting two volume levels (the monitor + the external speakers).

The bonus is that the Eizo also has a headphone out, too, on the left side of the monitor for easy access. If I have my BOSE speakers connected via Line-out, and I plug in my headphones, the sound on the Line-out speakers is cut, and sound plays through the headphones, with an independent volume control for it (the volume buttons start working again with headphones connected!). Excellent stuff!

I need to spend some more time with the Eizo but it really is a premium product. It's certainly expensive, but it does a great job with all my sources. It even lets me set the overscan ON with my Wii to avoid that black space around all sides of the display. It also remembers overscan ONLY for that resolution, so when I turn my 360/PS3 on, overscan is not enabled anymore (I use a 5-port HDMI switch for auto-switching). When I switch back to the Wii, it re-enabled the overscan to fill the screen. Yay!

I don't want to start yelling superlatives, but at this point I'm inclined to believe that if you want the best ~23" gaming monitor on the market, the Eizo may well be it...

And here's a picture of nothing on the Eizo :D :

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask, and I can try and help as best I can. :)
 
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Most can do 75Hz so it is weird that Eizo limits themselves to 60Hz.
 
Most can do 75Hz so it is weird that Eizo limits themselves to 60Hz.

I figure Eizo were more concerned about getting the existing tech right rather than trying to do something different and maybe cutting corners? After a night of playing games on the Eizo, it's pretty wonderful, and I wasn't even expecting to like it due to my EXTREME pickiness when it comes to... everything. If you need 75hz or 120hz etc, then this isn't your monitor. Considering XBOX 360, PS3, XBOX ONE, PS4 etc will all be 60hz (I'd imagine), the Eizo = win.
 
Did you every try overclocking yours asus refresh rate?

Nope. Never really wanted to, though? I mostly play console games on it. I use my iMac's 2560x1440 display for PC gaming (i7 3770, 32GB RAM, Geforce GTX 680MX).

Also, overclocking the Asus wasn't going to overcome the TN viewing-angle and lack of "warm" contrast issues.
 
I had my xbox 360 on it for a while and it was always so... blah. Normal PC gaming has always been good though.

What are you using for the mount?
 
I had my xbox 360 on it for a while and it was always so... blah. Normal PC gaming has always been good though.

What are you using for the mount?

Not sure what you mean by blah... but ok? I think it's great! Just finished playing The Last of Us on the PS3 with the Eizo. Great experience. :) :)

The mount is the HP (rebadged Ergotron) mount. It's fantastic, and around $85 on Amazon. I used to have a cheap Monoprice $35 mount, and got sick of its "saggy" nature. The HP/Ergotron is a superb piece of kit.

http://www.amazon.com/HP-BT861AT-Si...=1371778517&sr=8-2&keywords=hp+ergotron+mount

Amazon seem to be out of it right now, but it was $82.99 when I bought it last month.
 
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Not sure what you mean by blah... but ok? I think it's great! Just finished playing The Last of Us on the PS3 with the Eizo. Great experience. :) :)

The mount is the HP (rebadged Ergotron) mount. It's fantastic, and around $85 on Amazon. I used to have a cheap Monoprice $35 mount, and got sick of its "saggy" nature. The HP/Ergotron is a superb piece of kit.

http://www.amazon.com/HP-BT861AT-Si...=1371778517&sr=8-2&keywords=hp+ergotron+mount

Amazon seem to be out of it right now, but it was $82.99 when I bought it last month.

I meant the Asus monitor is blah.
 
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I meant the Asus monitor is blah.

Ahh right.

The more I use the Eizo, the more I'm certain there's no better monitor for gaming and PC use in this size. Actually, I doubt there's a better screen for just gaming. It's just a joy.
 
What are your thoughts on the Eizo with eye strain and reading documents/webpages.
 
What are your thoughts on the Eizo with eye strain and reading documents/webpages.

No eye-strain whatsoever. I know this can vary from person to person. To put it in perspective, it sits next to a 2012 27" iMac (2560x1440 IPS). I may prefer the Eizo. I don't think the LG panel in my iMac is PWM, either, whereas the Eizo is.

I seriously don't understand why the Eizo isn't more talked about. Is a couple of hundred dollars more for a top-grade screen really that much out of reach? So many other panels I've tested have issues. Either it's tons of bleed (Asus panels), grey lines, buzzing, no HDMI (u2312hm), or crappy pixel response/input lag.

The Eizo seems to me to be the best IPS implementation for (not just) gamers on the market.
 
I read somewhere that it has pretty strong AG coating, is it true?
 
I read somewhere that it has pretty strong AG coating, is it true?

Absolutely not true. Where did you read that? Aside from it looking lower-res (compared to my 1440p iMac right next to it), it looks gorgeous and clean.

I ask again, why do not more people own this monitor? Heck, if you're unsure, just buy it on Amazon, and you can return it for any reason. Jeez, people. You're seriously missing out. :)

Keep asking questions, please!

(I like how the monitor tracks the number of hours used, like my projector does. Neat!)

Also, for anyone that buys this screen, be sure to go into Monitor Settings and turn OFF the Eizo logo (on boot-up).

With Logo set to ON: 8.5 seconds to turn on the display from power off (to when I could see my XBOX 360 game)

With Logo set to OFF: 6.2 seconds to turn the display on from power off (to when I could see my XBOX 360 game)

Told you I was picky... :)
 
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I seriously don't understand why the Eizo isn't more talked about. Is a couple of hundred dollars more for a top-grade screen really that much out of reach? So many other panels I've tested have issues. Either it's tons of bleed (Asus panels), grey lines, buzzing, no HDMI (u2312hm), or crappy pixel response/input lag.

The Eizo seems to me to be the best IPS implementation for (not just) gamers on the market.

I've seen it recommended quite often here (and have recommended it myself) but I think the reason it's not talked more about are: price, size and ignorance as to the Eizo brand. The only real downside to this model I have read is that it may be a bit glowy, as far as IPS (or PLS) glow goes.

I've read threads where people have dismissed Eizo in favor of a Dell, just because they never heard of Eizo before. It's not the sort of monitor they find at their local stores. Of course Eizo is the better brand, but most people in the US don't know this.

Most people looking for a 23"er want to go cheap, $150-$200, so $400ish seems way too much to them.

And size, a lot of gamers here prefer 27". And non-gamers prefer 24" 16:10. So it's not the ideal size, especially for the price, to a lot of people.

That said, if a big gamer and don't mind the 23" size, it looks like it'd be a nice monitor. For those on a budget, I recommend considering getting the older model 2332, from Eizo direct as a refurb, assuming they still have any left, at around $180. And this time next year it's possible people can get the 2333 refurb for the same price.
 
what ever Eizo did with this monitor to fight ghosting and input lag for an IPS panel should be passed down to other manufacturers.

from what I read it even beats the TN panels in terms of Input lag and ghosting.
 
what ever Eizo did with this monitor to fight ghosting and input lag for an IPS panel should be passed down to other manufacturers.

from what I read it even beats the TN panels in terms of Input lag and ghosting.

From what I've experienced this is unquestionably true. It's faster (and better) in every respect compared to my Asus VH236H, which is (was) the MLG official gaming panel. But then again it should be. My Eizo cost me $420 + tax, and the Asus was $140. :D

Quite simply, no other IPS panel on the market compares. I haven't found the Eizo too "glowy." It absolutely has an IPS glow, but with any ambient light it actually looks fantastic. Here's an example of the glow (opposing angles glow), on a black screen at 70% brightness with no signal. The pictures are not completely accurate (in person it looks even better), but at least you can see the off-axis glow (this is NOT bleed). And this is in a DIM room. Of course when anything is on the screen or you're in a reasonably-lit room - you don't even see it, ever. This is the highest-performing (in terms of glow under control) IPS panel I've ever used. It puts my 2012 iMac to shame.

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I've been using this monitor all day today, and if anyone is on the fence because of the price - buy it.

There is simply no IPS panel on the market this good in terms of input lag/pixel response.

Eizo needs to make a 27" now. I bet that would do well.
 
It's probably only fair that I list a few complaints:

1.) On the LCD itself you can control the power on/off (I like that it has a power switch, too, to completely cut power), the volume, and switch input. That's it. Everything else is controlled via the remote (brightness, contrast, picture modes etc). But what if you lose the remote or otherwise don't have the remote? Yep, you're stuffed. I can't even find a replacement remote on Eizo's site.

2.) While you can turn the power LED off when the unit is on, when the unit is off there's always a red LED unless you reach under and press the power switch to cut power completely. I don't like LEDs.., ever.

3.) It's still not exactly a pretty display in terms of the bezel (personal feelings, of course).

4.) No sharpness setting. Seriously. I'm not sure I would change the sharpness, but... there isn't a setting for it, really? (I guess my 27" IPS iMac doesn't have any controls, and none of my laptops do, either - but... still.....)...

That's about it, really.
 
Only thing holding me back is that this monitor is due for its yearly update (fs 2334) but its possible there wont be one since I'm not sure what else they can do outside of the impossible (120hz).
 
Only thing holding me back is that this monitor is due for its yearly update (fs 2334) but its possible there wont be one since I'm not sure what else they can do outside of the impossible (120hz).

Not bothered. Not interested in 120hz, personally. I don't have the power to run 1080p/120 on the latest games, and no console supports it. So... I'd say go for it. But that's just me. :D
 
They could fix the overshoot in the 'advanced' overdrive setting. They could give us OSD controls on the actual monitor. They could add an AT-W polarizer to crush the 'IPS glow'. They can make improvements. I probably wont buy another for a while as I sit on display's for at least 3 years maybe more. I had my NEC for 7 waiting for choice like we have now.
 
They could fix the overshoot in the 'advanced' overdrive setting. They could give us OSD controls on the actual monitor. They could add an AT-W polarizer to crush the 'IPS glow'. They can make improvements. I probably wont buy another for a while as I sit on display's for at least 3 years maybe more. I had my NEC for 7 waiting for choice like we have now.

I haven't seen any overshoot on the "standard" overdrive setting, personally.. OSD controls on the monitor would be a bonus, absolutely (I do love the remote, though). The IPS glow is pretty much a non-issue with any ambient light.

Improvements can always be made, but even without those features this is one heck of an LCD, we can agree. ;)
 
I would find it a bit odd if Eizo made new models of this every single year, as new panels don't really come out that fast. They could make some improvements, but unless they added an A-TW polarizer, I'm not sure it'd be anything major.

I do find it strange that except for one of Eizo's insanely priced pro models, no companies really use A-TW at all anymore (besides in tablets). It'd be a big differentiating factor amongst manufacturers, even more so than PWM-free models ... and I expect a lot of people here would gobble them up so long as they were reasonably priced.

But I think the next big thing would be Lightboost + IPS/PLS, but that is probably years away, if ever.
 
Read from some german reviewers on amazon that there is some kind of panel lottery with Eizo monitors.

Anyway, does the Eizo FS2333 have a IPS or a PLS panel?
 
What panels were those German Amazon people getting?

I think it's been assumed that these are PLS, but I couldn't get Eizo to verify what panel they used. Nor if it's 8 bit or 6-bit + 2-bit FRC.
 
It seems like a great display but it's very very expensive for a 1080p panel. I suspect most people just aren't interested in it because you can pick up 2560x1440 panels for less than the EIZO.
 
It seems like a great display but it's very very expensive for a 1080p panel. I suspect most people just aren't interested in it because you can pick up 2560x1440 panels for less than the EIZO.

Seems to me that a lot of people are more into quantity (in this case - size) over quality. Honestly, for the people spending ~$200-$250 on a 23" 1080p IPS panel like the Asus or Dell, spend that bit extra. I can't imagine anyone being dissatisfied with the Eizo.
 
Read from some german reviewers on amazon that there is some kind of panel lottery with Eizo monitors.

Anyway, does the Eizo FS2333 have a IPS or a PLS panel?

PLS. No lottery. Everything I have seen is PLS only. Samsung. LG can't get anywhere near the low lag and the close up inspection of the pixels shows the common shape of PLS. It is advertised as 10-bit lut/ 8-bit output. Better gradients than any 8-bit I have had so even if it is 10-bit to 6-bit +2-bit frc it matters not. If it is 6-bit it is the best 6-bit I have seen. It's 'bit-ness' should not be a concern to interested buyers.
 
PLS. No lottery. Everything I have seen is PLS only. Samsung. LG can't get anywhere near the low lag and the close up inspection of the pixels shows the common shape of PLS. It is advertised as 10-bit lut/ 8-bit output. Better gradients than any 8-bit I have had so even if it is 10-bit to 6-bit +2-bit frc it matters not. If it is 6-bit it is the best 6-bit I have seen. It's 'bit-ness' should not be a concern to interested buyers.

Im not concerned with it being 6-bit. Im using a Dell ST2220T right now which is a 6-bit + FRC, but looks better than any other screen ive seen.
 
There are still some "bleeding" in the corner, not a big deal though, Eizo has made a nearly-perfect monitor :cool:
 
IMO, it's not an IPS glow. The bleeding appear in the corner only. The glow should be consistent from top to bottom and varies by the viewing angle.

Well, since it's my monitor and I've exchanged numerous IPS panels in the past, I can assure you it's glow, not bleed. :) That's why I took two pictures so you can see how it disappears depending on the viewing angle of the LCD.

If I sit directly in front of the left side, the left side is perfect and the right side exhibits a slight glow. Same for the right side. If it were bleed, this would not be the case.

I recognize (and mentioned) that my pictures don't do the Eizo justice. This is most certainly the case.
 
IMO, it's not an IPS glow. The bleeding appear in the corner only. The glow should be consistent from top to bottom and varies by the viewing angle.

Exactly, varies by viewing angle. Look closely, that monitor is not straight in front of the camera.
 
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