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Ouch, did she just say the "creepy-rapey part" of E3?

That much is tolerable—expected, even (sadly). But after speaking to a few female journalists and PR reps who attended E3 this year, I learned that, in the midst of all the excitement, they were unhappy to admit a more offensive common theme of this year's show: they called it the "creepy-rapey-E3."
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I lost interest halfway through but these "women" need to grow some thicker skin. Not trying to say creepers are ok or anything but one would think it kinda goes with the territory/job. In a bad situation? GTFO and make some excuse IE "hey I gotta go!" - seems like a rational thing to do rather than cry about it like you were powerless.
 
Well, one would hope that most men have sufficient self control that they aren't trying to dry hump every women they encounter (if they are they might need to have their mom let them out of the basement more often ;) ) ... given the size of these type shows I suspect that the actual predator types might frequent these events since they feel they can do things in the overpopulated arena that might not be possible in less hectic environments ... that might be skewing the statistics and anecdotes from these types of event
 
Steve,
Why do you keep feeding the beast by posting these stupid sexual harassment articles?
It's all bullshit and I am so sick of it.
 
Ahhh Tina Amini... she was unfortunately co-hosting one of the streams I watched. I think a plank with a face painted on it would have been a better co-host.

I didn't go to E3 .. hoping to go next year. But I have several friends both female and male who went and have been every year for. I never hear any creepy stories like these from them.
 
Such vitriol. I think some of you guys need to come to grips with that fact that your just a bunch of rape apologists. Maybe you wouldn't go that far but you certainly have no sympathy for someone being put into a powerless position.
 
While I don't doubt there was some creepiness somewhere, seeing as how there were 50,000 people, most of them male, these particular stories set off my finely honed bullshit sensors. They just seem made up somehow. It's hard to put into words.
 
I was molested by a women once, pinned down and kissed with tongue, then pushed her off, but I was weak and she went at it again. Pretty strange experience and I have been a bit more careful since then. I've also had comments like "I want to draw you naked" that always creep me out... I guess some women think a guy like me might like that sorta assertive behavior, I dunno... but I think most of us want things to be consensual.

It's really strange this story came up just now because last night I had a dream this girl that likes me (but knows I don't like her) was kissing me hard and I couldn't stop it, I was trying to run but I was like in sand or somethin...

anyways, guess for guys it's harder to get raped, because, well, ya know... so of course more women would be scared of the creeps, and they should be. Of course the creeps should behave themselves though, there's no excuse for that kinda behavior really.
 
I would think the socially awkward E3 creeps would be the last people on Earth that you should be afraid of...most of them are harmless...the rapists and creeps are not part of the E3 demographic...yes they will leer but that's mostly because the place is filled with half naked booth babes meant to arouse them
 
Not to be dismissive in any way of the things that the author talks about (she is simply relaying stories told to her) in this article but the problem with these articles is that they only show the female viewpoint.

Try being a guy reporting from the Ultimate Women's Expo (or the equivalent gathering). These things are NIGHTMARES for men. But, before we talk about the show, women in general:

a.) Women think it is okay to call you "honey, sugar, sexy."
b.) If you work out, women think they can automatically touch your pecs or feel your arms / legs / butt etc.
c.) Women make crude and insulting comments / jokes about men, often times criticizing our intelligence, integrity domestic abilities and ability to dress ourselves properly.
d.) Women often view men as lazy, misogynistic and / or pigs incapable of doing anything right.
e.) Women often talk down to men and blame them for the decline of civilization as a whole.
f.) Treat men as if the only thing a man is good for is his credit card.

Women's shows / expos / events:

Women's trade shows alienate men by catering to things of interest to females....even though the majority of products for sale were invented / developed / produced by men.

All the speakers at these show ONLY talk about women's issues and totally disregard the needs of men.

At these shows, women are given free manicures, facials, makeovers, high fashion runway shows, haircuts, spa treatments and massages. Men get to carry bags for the women.

The only men holding exhibits at these shows are chefs and decorators, neither is appealing to actual guys.

The men modeling products at these shows are the stereotypical model types hired by 1-800-male-model.

All the giveaways, contests and promotions are for products to be used by women only.

The kicker?

As much as these conventions / expos are NOT FOR MEN, I make sure my wife goes every chance I get so she can "hang with the girls," have a relaxing afternoon of drinks while drooling over the male models. You can ask my wife, there is nothing like a day of spas, haircuts, makeovers and man bashing to really make a girl feel good.

The difference? Even though these shows totally denegrate / alienate men, we encourage our spouses / significant others to attend these events. And you know what? Never once has it occurred to me to write a "The Creepy-Rapey Part of Women's Events" kind of story.

Just sayin'. :cool:
 
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MrSneis said:
I lost interest halfway through but these "women" need to grow some thicker skin. Not trying to say creepers are ok or anything but one would think it kinda goes with the territory/job. In a bad situation? GTFO and make some excuse IE "hey I gotta go!" - seems like a rational thing to do rather than cry about it like you were powerless.
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These women are people who are entitled to the same harassment free environment that males are entitled to. It is always unacceptable for men to be "creepers," and it should never just come "with the territory." These articles are about the culture of treating women as a sexual object, and you, sir, are a prime example of why such articles are important. I assure you that if your wife/mother/sister were to be manhandled (no pun intended) or mistreated by some strange man in a sexual way, or demeaned simply for being female, you would not speak so nonchalantly about the matter.

Further, it is clear that you did not read the article, given that there was an example of a woman grabbed by a security guard. I would really like for you, sitting in your comfortable arm chair, to tell me how is someone supposed to escape such a situation given that the perpetrator is not only much larger in stature, but also in a position of power (albeit, limited power).

They write about their experiences so that ignorant men such as yourself can hopefully, one day, empathize with their situation, and realize that there is indeed a cultural problem that needs to be addressed.
 
In place crammed full of a few hundred thousand people, odds are high that a few of them are creeps, some of them are gamers, some of them are fellow journalists/reporters, some are high up reps from developers/publishers.

Most of the normal people would have accepted the wave, and then look around to ask themselves "Is she waving at me, I don't know her from Adam?", and carry on about their business, or ask "do I know you?...Oh you were waving at someone else, sorry". Maybe I'm odd, although my examples seem like a normal persons reaction to a wave from a stranger.

The creepy bar lounge...yeah that's a creepy bar lounge full of alcoholic douchecopters, why the heck would you go there knowing full well what you will find?

Also noticed the other incidents involved parties, and booze...Go figure.
 
Sifelwivel said:
They write about their experiences so that ignorant men such as yourself can hopefully, one day, empathize with their situation, and realize that there is indeed a cultural problem that needs to be addressed.
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Perhaps they should write about some potential solutions instead. Because last I checked there is no way to ensure that your primarily male 50,000 person show is free of people ranging from the socially awkward to the outright creepy.

Got any suggestions on how we can fix this problem?
 
tinsoldier said:
Such vitriol. I think some of you guys need to come to grips with that fact that your just a bunch of rape apologists. Maybe you wouldn't go that far but you certainly have no sympathy for someone being put into a powerless position.
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Yeah it's sort of absurd how bad the gaming culture is.

You can tell all the bad parents too - it's the same "Never, not MY kid"-syndrome where something that doesn't fit some completely rigid worldview of theirs is thrown out as preposterous. Guess what, your kid (gaming culture) might be just be that bad sometimes.

Being skeptical is one thing but rejecting another person's perspective entirely with something like this is complete assholery.

E3 and comic-con can both be a mess like this. There is plenty of misbehavior by both sexes at these events, but acting like this part of it doesn't exist is ignoring reality.
 
Steve said:
Not to be dismissive in any way of the things that the author talks about (she is simply relaying stories told to her) in this article but the problem with these articles is that they only show the female viewpoint.

Try being a guy reporting from the Ultimate Women's Expo (or the equivalent gathering). These things are NIGHTMARES for men. But, before we talk about the show, women in general:

a.) Women think it is okay to call you "honey, sugar, sexy."
b.) If you work out, women think they can automatically touch your pecs or feel your arms / legs / butt etc.
c.) Women make crude and insulting comments / jokes about men, often times criticizing our intelligence, integrity domestic abilities and ability to dress ourselves properly.
d.) Women often view men as lazy, misogynistic and / or pigs incapable of doing anything right.
e.) Women often talk down to men and blame them for the decline of civilization as a whole.
f.) Treat men as if the only thing a man is good for is his credit card.

Women's shows / expos / events:

Women's trade shows alienate men by catering to things of interest to females....even though the majority of products for sale were invented / developed / produced by men.

All the speakers at these show ONLY talk about women's issues and totally disregard the needs of men.

At these shows, women are given free manicures, facials, makeovers, high fashion runway shows, haircuts, spa treatments and massages. Men get to carry bags for the women.

The only men holding exhibits at these shows are chefs and decorators, neither is appealing to actual guys.

The men modeling products at these shows are the stereotypical model types hired by 1-800-male-model.

All the giveaways, contests and promotions are for products to be used by women only.

The kicker?

As much as these conventions / expos are NOT FOR MEN, I make sure my wife goes every chance I get so she can "hang with the girls," have a relaxing afternoon of drinks while drooling over the male models. You can ask my wife, there is nothing like a day of spas, haircuts, makeovers and man bashing to really make a girl feel good.

The difference? Even though these shows totally denegrate / alienate men, we encourage our spouses / significant others to attend these events. And you know what? Never once has it occurred to me to write a "The Creepy-Rapey Part of Women's Events" kind of story.

Just sayin'. :cool:
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Well said. A very astute commentary on the gender wars that go on these days...

It's a little "dense" for this woman to NOT expect male attention when she is a highly attractive individual who is working within a male dominated sector.

If she is tired of the attention? Go find a field where you're not interacting with men all day. It's called at will employment for a reason.
 
Wait, how many women got raped at E3 this year? If no one, then why are we throwing around the word "rape"?
 
rei1574 said:
Well said. A very astute commentary on the gender wars that go on these days...

It's a little "dense" for this woman to NOT expect male attention when she is a highly attractive individual who is working within a male dominated sector.

If she is tired of the attention? Go find a field where you're not interacting with men all day. It's called at will employment for a reason.
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Or perhaps men can learn to not treat trade shows or the workplace like a singles bar ;) ... if men want to gape that is human nature but I wouldn't see a valid reason to be giving a woman a neck message at a trade show (and certainly not in the office) unless she specifically asked for it (and not even then if it was the office) :cool:
 
Unfortunately this is representative of society in general. But it sounds better when tied to a lucrative business that gamming is.

Sex is a funny thing, and rules are very fuzzy, and when people have good awareness it is a lot of fun. Too bad for those that ruin it.

In the dating website I go to, most women list "assertiveness" has a valued quality. But many don't, unfortunately regular face to face encounters woman dont wear signs of what they want. ;)

I guess, what I am trying to say is, if you want to venture into fun with the sex preference of choice, go to a dating website. Not E3.
 
kbrickley said:
Or perhaps men can learn to not treat trade shows or the workplace like a singles bar ;) ... if men want to gape that is human nature but I wouldn't see a valid reason to be giving a woman a neck message at a trade show (and certainly not in the office) unless she specifically asked for it (and not even then if it was the office) :cool:
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The point is that women do the exact same things and it is "okay."

There are thousands of shows every year catering to women where men are treated like they are second class citizens and women act surprised because "you aren't gay?"

The difference is, no one writes articles about the waitress that keeps calling me "honey and sugar" even though it offends me (well, you know what I mean) and get pissed / retaliate when I ask them to stop.



;)
 
Also, does anyone find it interesting that stories like this are supposedly coming out of E3, a trade show for insiders and press and not something like PAX which is open to the public?
 
rei1574 said:
Well said. A very astute commentary on the gender wars that go on these days...

It's a little "dense" for this woman to NOT expect male attention when she is a highly attractive individual who is working within a male dominated sector.

If she is tired of the attention? Go find a field where you're not interacting with men all day. It's called at will employment for a reason.
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Yeah, because it's entirely okay to act like an animal and it's her fault that she's attractive and has that particular job which means she deserves everything bad that happens to her. She should just expect it's going to happen to her and learn to enjoy it because that's how gamers are and this is the way the world should work.

....

Logic, you're failing at having it.
 
Steve said:
The point is that women do the exact same things and it is "okay."

There are thousands of shows every year catering to women where men are treated like they are second class citizens and women act surprised because "you aren't gay?"

The difference is, no one writes articles about the waitress that keeps calling me "honey and sugar" even though it offends me (well, you know what I mean) and get pissed / retaliate when I ask them to stop.



;)
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Well women shouldn't do it either but the whole "they did it so why can't I" argument doesn't work so well in the real world ... it would be great if everyone treated each other with dignity and respect ... but since that won't happen you just try and do your own little part :cool:
 
kbrickley said:
Or perhaps men can learn to not treat trade shows or the workplace like a singles bar ;) ... if men want to gape that is human nature but I wouldn't see a valid reason to be giving a woman a neck message at a trade show (and certainly not in the office) unless she specifically asked for it (and not even then if it was the office) :cool:
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If you're a cute girl in a bar, you have to expect attention from males. Thats just how it works.

Also, last time I checked there are no laws against being an asshole, which I think a lot of this behavior falls into. You don't see policemen giving out tickets to people for being jerks.

My solution to these women? Grow thicker skin or consider working in a sector where it's not so male dominated.
 
I've read the article and I didn't see anything about the gamers themselves making passes at women. Rather security guards, executives or developers, and awkward moment with a photographers who took a snapshot of someones boobs. Oh and normal women mistaken as booth babes.

I'm not gonna say that these women don't have a legitimate issue here, but creepy is just that extent. Rapey? Well let me know when someone gets raped. Also, I would imagine that these men wouldn't be doing these things if the women dressed appropriately. Guys don't take snapshots of boobs unless they're showing cleavage. Guys don't mistaken you as a booth babe unless you're wearing clothing nearly as flashy.

It's just a classic case of women giving out the wrong message, and guys over reacting to that message.
 
Steve said:
The point is that women do the exact same things and it is "okay."

There are thousands of shows every year catering to women where men are treated like they are second class citizens and women act surprised because "you aren't gay?"

The difference is, no one writes articles about the waitress that keeps calling me "honey and sugar" even though it offends me (well, you know what I mean) and get pissed / retaliate when I ask them to stop.



;)
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You've been in the situation before, it sounds like. And in spite of what you're saying, it's no better or more acceptable for a woman to sexually harass a man, regardless of the venue. There's just as little legitimacy in a woman being upset when a man objects as a man being upset when a woman objects.

Then again, as a person of influence in a community of people that listen, you're also in a position to publically object just like any other journalist could which can stir up irrational stinkage on a forum populated mostly by women. :)
 
All I have to say to the women is:

If a creep comes up behind you, take your elbow and hit him in the stomach, then fist to groin, and the fist to face.

Will drop them like a rock.

Now if they are facing you, just knee them in the groin as hard as you can.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Yeah, because it's entirely okay to act like an animal and it's her fault that she's attractive and has that particular job which means she deserves everything bad that happens to her. She should just expect it's going to happen to her and learn to enjoy it because that's how gamers are and this is the way the world should work.

....

Logic, you're failing at having it.
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If you're a cute girl in any setting, you gotta expect attention from the opposite sex. Like I said before, there is no law against people being jerks or assholes. If there was an assult that occured, that's one thing, but that didn't happen at all.

If you want to be a jerk in life, that is your right and there are no laws against it. Saying someone is a rapist just because they act mean towards women is quite a leap in logic. Makes no sense...
 
cyclone3d said:
All I have to say to the women is:

If a creep comes up behind you, take your elbow and hit him in the stomach, then fist to groin, and the fist to face.

Will drop them like a rock.

Now if they are facing you, just knee them in the groin as hard as you can.
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That's physical assault and totally unreasonable. Besides, who's actually that violent in real life?
 
rei1574 said:
If you're a cute girl in any setting, you gotta expect attention from the opposite sex. Like I said before, there is no law against people being jerks or assholes. If there was an assult that occured, that's one thing, but that didn't happen at all.

If you want to be a jerk in life, that is your right and there are no laws against it. Saying someone is a rapist just because they act mean towards women is quite a leap in logic. Makes no sense...
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So, just because there's no law against it, it becomes acceptable or reasonable to do it? I'm not sure why this is something that's even possible to rationalize as acceptable or why you're trying to reason a way around it. Yeah, calling it rape is a over the top, but the news sensationalizes things to get people to pay attention (which is stupid, by the way).

A lack of laws and situational context still don't justify someone acting like that. There's just no way to I can think of that it becomes okay to do.
 
All these terrible things happened but nothing was reported.

This sounds an awful lot like a conspiracy.

It's like when the aliens built the pyramids, the giant, invisible, evil patriarchy kept them down too!
 
Steve said:
The point is that women do the exact same things and it is "okay."
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This is vast oversimplification. How many women go to jail for rape, domestic battery or other sexual crimes versus men? The huge difference in the numbers isn't due to it being "okay" for women to commit these crimes.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
So, just because there's no law against it, it becomes acceptable or reasonable to do it? I'm not sure why this is something that's even possible to rationalize as acceptable or why you're trying to reason a way around it. Yeah, calling it rape is a over the top, but the news sensationalizes things to get people to pay attention (which is stupid, by the way).

A lack of laws and situational context still don't justify someone acting like that. There's just no way to I can think of that it becomes okay to do.
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If I see a group of guys approach a group of well-dressed girls in a bar and start chatting them up... to me? That's perfectly normal. This incredibly biased article makes it seem like that behavior is peverse and dehumanizing.

Guess what? It's not. That stuff happens every single day and night in a variety of countries.

Did the guys sound like jerks? Absolutely. But again, there is no laws against being jerks in a bar. If these girls can't handle getting hit on, I would recommend that they stay clear of environments where that type of behavior occurs.
 
rei1574 said:
If you're a cute girl in a bar, you have to expect attention from males. Thats just how it works.

Also, last time I checked there are no laws against being an asshole, which I think a lot of this behavior falls into. You don't see policemen giving out tickets to people for being jerks.

My solution to these women? Grow thicker skin or consider working in a sector where it's not so male dominated.
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I said workplace, not bar ... if a bar is your workplace then it might be more complex :) ... bars and certain other social venues are intended for people to interact socially in ways that might lead to even more personal interaction ... unless you go to the trade shows for the Hookers and Blow even they are more of a work environment and should be treated as such ... even "booth babes" are not hookers (usually) and shouldn't be treated as such ;)
 
rei1574 said:
If you're a cute girl in a bar, you have to expect attention from males. Thats just how it works.

Also, last time I checked there are no laws against being an asshole, which I think a lot of this behavior falls into. You don't see policemen giving out tickets to people for being jerks.

My solution to these women? Grow thicker skin or consider working in a sector where it's not so male dominated.
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I said workplace, not bar ... if a bar is your workplace then it might be more complex :) ... bars and certain other social venues are intended for people to interact socially in ways that might lead to even more personal interaction ... unless you go to the trade shows for the Hookers and Blow even they are more of a work environment and should be treated as such ... even "booth babes" are not hookers (usually) and shouldn't be treated as such ;)
 
rei1574 said:
If I see a group of guys approach a group of well-dressed girls in a bar and start chatting them up... to me? That's perfectly normal. This incredibly biased article makes it seem like that behavior is peverse and dehumanizing.

Guess what? It's not. That stuff happens every single day and night in a variety of countries.

Did the guys sound like jerks? Absolutely. But again, there is no laws against being jerks in a bar. If these girls can't handle getting hit on, I would recommend that they stay clear of environments where that type of behavior occurs.
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I don't know about all of it, but the story about the guy kissing that girls neck in the bar had me cringing.
 
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