Xbox Executive: Stick With The 360

why are we fighting about how this game console will affect 'other' groups of individuals. If you don't like it, don't buy it, others will follow the same route. It's like driving a ford saying chevy sucks, cool story bro. The power is in what we choose to buy, not rising up in arms as keyboard warriors on forums,
 
sushiwarrior said:
You're entitled to your own opinion, don't insult mine because you're some poor sucker buying used games and connecting to the internet with a tinfoil antenna. Lol.
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Lol I think the One is garbage but this post made me laugh especially the quoted part. Makes a point.
 
Darunion said:
why are we fighting about how this game console will affect 'other' groups of individuals. If you don't like it, don't buy it, others will follow the same route. It's like driving a ford saying chevy sucks, cool story bro. The power is in what we choose to buy, not rising up in arms as keyboard warriors on forums,
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You are incorrect. Microsoft is infringing on our consumer rights - period. And people buying their product are directly supporting this. Capitalism really requires consumers to boycott when they're wronged. It doesn't work nearly as well when your population gets stupid and apathetic like it has today. Most problems in the world are caused by people who don't care to act, whether that be politically, capitalistically, or any of many other ways people are stupid.

If I don't buy it, MS can't infringe on my rights, but if people would care as they should, MS would get the immediate message that they can't f**k with our rights, and they would fix the problem. But no - it's just going to keep getting worse because you morons will keep buying their stuff.
 
You apparently are new to the digital world. I would ask you to read a couple EULA's for information. You have been agreeing to this for years.

Here is a good one
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/info/en_na/docs.jsp?menu=wiiu&submenu=wup-eula-agree

for the WiiU, notice you only have 'permission' to play the game on your console only. Read all of section 1. and see how little rights you have, because you agree to waiver them.
 
dandragonrage said:
You are incorrect. Microsoft is infringing on our consumer rights - period. And people buying their product are directly supporting this. Capitalism really requires consumers to boycott when they're wronged. It doesn't work nearly as well when your population gets stupid and apathetic like it has today. Most problems in the world are caused by people who don't care to act, whether that be politically, capitalistically, or any of many other ways people are stupid.

If I don't buy it, MS can't infringe on my rights, but if people would care as they should, MS would get the immediate message that they can't f**k with our rights, and they would fix the problem. But no - it's just going to keep getting worse because you morons will keep buying their stuff.
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"Our" consumer rights? I'm sorry, I didn't realize the ability to buy a console gave you rights. Screw your rights, I'm all for my rights - and I like the convenience the One would offer me, and that's my decision. "Us morons" simply have different priorities than you.
 
You could just stick with the PC, say screw consoles and all their BS. And just be happy :)
 
sushiwarrior said:
"Our" consumer rights? I'm sorry, I didn't realize the ability to buy a console gave you rights. Screw your rights, I'm all for my rights - and I like the convenience the One would offer me, and that's my decision. "Us morons" simply have different priorities than you.
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It's not buying the console that gives the rights. They are inherent and in law such as the first sale doctrine. Personally I don't give a crap what EULAs "say" but only what is enforced. I only buy Steam games when they are very cheap. I will never pay anywhere near full price for a Steam game that I can't resell. And yes, I do buy used games and sell my games. Even though I can afford to buy them new 100% of the time, I think that a waste.

Exclusive games are crap almost all the time anyway. And yes I mainly do use my PC for gaming, along with older consoles like the PS2.

I would likely buy the new consoles if they weren't screwing us over. Would you guys buy a new car if you had to sign a document stating that you wouldn't be able to resell it? No? Why is it okay with games? If you guys think that the SMALL amount of exclusive games (especially those for Xbox) actually make a console worth it over your rights, that's pretty pathetic.
 
Darunion said:
Here is a good one
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/info/en_na/docs.jsp?menu=wiiu&submenu=wup-eula-agree

for the WiiU, notice you only have 'permission' to play the game on your console only. Read all of section 1. and see how little rights you have, because you agree to waiver them.
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The license in that link states no such thing. :p

The network services agreement, covering online purchases, does state that the licensed content is available for only that one system unless the terms state otherwise (which makes sense for in-game purchases linked to a separate game account), and isn't surprising:

3. Shopping Services.
You may establish and maintain an account balance for purchasing items we offer and sell in the Nintendo eShop. That account balance is associated solely with your Network Account, is subject to balance and usage limits that we may impose from time to time, and may not be transferred to other accounts or to third parties. That account balance may not be used to purchase items that are offered or sold by others or that are sold outside of the Nintendo eShop. Please refer to the User Manual for more information on how to create and use that account balance and for other payment methods that may be available to you.

You are responsible for any purchases made using your Network Account in Nintendo eShop. Nintendo eShop purchases are non-refundable and non-transferable unless otherwise stated in the terms posted for a specific offer or required by law. Digital Content is licensed, not sold, from the Content Provider to you through the Nintendo eShop, solely for your personal, non-commercial use on your Nintendo Device or as we permit through the Network Services, subject to the terms of this Agreement and any additional terms posted for that Digital Content item in Nintendo eShop and subject to your payment in full for that Digital Content. Digital Content licenses that are purchased through your Nintendo Account and downloaded to a Nintendo Device may be available for access and use through other Nintendo Accounts on that Nintendo Device.

Nintendo eShop may support other Network Services, such as services that allow you to access, view, or download Digital Content to your Nintendo Device, to review other items that may be purchased in connection with a Nintendo Device or the Network Services, to review your purchase history or, if supported on your Nintendo Device, to use points to make purchases in the Wii shop during operation in Wii compatible mode.
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You may use the software, content, and data that came with your Wii U or that is compatible with and authorized for use on your Wii U, including any updates or replacement to that software, content, or data that we or our authorized providers make available to you (collectively, the "Software") subject to the terms of this Section. The Software is licensed, not sold, to you solely for your personal, noncommercial use on your Wii U.
 
dandragonrage said:
It's not buying the console that gives the rights. They are inherent and in law such as the first sale doctrine. Personally I don't give a crap what EULAs "say" but only what is enforced. I only buy Steam games when they are very cheap. I will never pay anywhere near full price for a Steam game that I can't resell. And yes, I do buy used games and sell my games. Even though I can afford to buy them new 100% of the time, I think that a waste.

Exclusive games are crap almost all the time anyway. And yes I mainly do use my PC for gaming, along with older consoles like the PS2.

I would likely buy the new consoles if they weren't screwing us over. Would you guys buy a new car if you had to sign a document stating that you wouldn't be able to resell it? No? Why is it okay with games? If you guys think that the SMALL amount of exclusive games (especially those for Xbox) actually make a console worth it over your rights, that's pretty pathetic.
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I don't sell my used games because I only buy games I'm going to keep for a long time - I still go back and play COD4 or Halo 3, even though they are outdated. So selling games back just isn't for me.

Exclusive games are crap??? There's a lot of Gears of War, Halo, God of War, Last of Us, etc. that is far from crap.

Car analogies don't work for everything. In this case, I'm fine with not being able to sell the games back (which is still possible, btw, in case you missed it somehow - you can still sell used games, and microsoft doesn't charge anything for it).
 
Darunion said:
You may use the software, content, and data that came with your Wii U or that is compatible with and authorized for use on your Wii U, including any updates or replacement to that software, content, or data that we or our authorized providers make available to you (collectively, the "Software") subject to the terms of this Section. The Software is licensed, not sold, to you solely for your personal, noncommercial use on your Wii U.
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Yes, and that doesn't mean what you claimed. It does not state "you only have 'permission' to play the game on your console only". It first sets the bounds for the agreement (Wii U system and software), then grants the terms for non-commercial use.
 
sfsuphysics said:
At least he didn't say "get a PS4 if you get your panties in a twist over always on DRM"
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He basically did though. Given what E3 is about and that most looking to buy a new console are going to be looking next gen. He really basically said that.
 
type xboxdone.com into your browser.... and be ready for laughs


it redirects you to sony's playstation blog
 
The reason people fight others is because its a feed back mechanism. Anyone who picks one console over the other is now selfishly trying to convince everyone that they must make the same decisions.

The reason is because the more people buy a console the more games are made for it and the less you need to change your own habbits or spend more money to work with others.

I knew a bunch of people who bought the PS3 then ended up buying an XBOX 360 because all their friends had it. They never wanted the 360, they just wanted to play with their friends. I understand it although I did not fall for it. And quality showed too, for instance it was claimed the PS3 was a superior machine yet it almost never showed in actual quality of the game. All the people buying console games kill the experience for PC gamers as mouse doesn't perform as it should, settings are missing etc....
 
I would like to email MS and tell them if they want me to have an internet connection for my xbox they better ship it with a 56.6k modem.
 
sushiwarrior said:
You're entitled to your own opinion, don't insult mine because you're some poor sucker buying used games and connecting to the internet with a tinfoil antenna. Lol.
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this wasnt directed at me, but man what a total douchebag thing to say.
 
rudy said:
The reason people fight others is because its a feed back mechanism. Anyone who picks one console over the other is now selfishly trying to convince everyone that they must make the same decisions.

The reason is because the more people buy a console the more games are made for it and the less you need to change your own habbits or spend more money to work with others.

I knew a bunch of people who bought the PS3 then ended up buying an XBOX 360 because all their friends had it. They never wanted the 360, they just wanted to play with their friends. I understand it although I did not fall for it. And quality showed too, for instance it was claimed the PS3 was a superior machine yet it almost never showed in actual quality of the game. All the people buying console games kill the experience for PC gamers as mouse doesn't perform as it should, settings are missing etc....
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Sure some Fantrolls fight for those reasons. However in this instance many of us are simply outraged at the Anti-consumer push by MS. This is coming from someone who has traditionally bought all three systems. I am not a fan of one over the other, I am simply utterly opposed to the kind of crap MS is expecting us to be ok with. If you don't care about your privacy or the fact that a company is treating you like a pirate for legally buying the system, that is your problem. But don't act all surprised that some of us aren't ok with it.
 
GaryJohnson said:
That's true, but the number of potential xbone customers in that chunk has got to be very small. I live in a rural county and apart from a very few middle-to-upper class ranchette neighborhoods like the one I'm in, it's mostly people who either couldn't afford an xbone or couldn't care less about owning one.
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I would say that is wrong. I know a lot of people "out in the sticks" and with few options for entertainment outside of TV they all have big TVs and xboxes right now even if they don't have decent internet or live in anything bigger than a single wide trailer.
 
Yet most of you sit around with your steam games. I don't buy for one second this instance is really that much different. Sure you may be out raged by this or that but half these people would change their minds in a split second and the arguments would be much more complex if the XBone was selling for 399.

To me I am not on any side but just sick of people making unfair comparisons. You may be an outlier but half the people freaking out here are afterall here at hard running around buying games on steam with full DRM and the need to an online connection for most of it, and checking their gmail while google actively spies on everything they do.

For most people the details they discuss in email are far more private than anything they do in their living room and any time you decide to do something in your living room you can just pull the power cord on the 360. Yet people act like its somehow different now. Its not your rights disappeared a long time ago you sold them out for cheap games on steam and free email with more space and becaue you wanted people to know what you were doing at the mall on face book. But then you freak out about the exact same things on a console.

Fact is this discrepancy can only be explained by some other selfish motivation. perhaps its the loss of you calculated system of using free games, you need to get everyone playing the same console as you, who knows. If you are some rare guy who only uses email which promises never to look at any of your data, never bought a single steam or origin game, and doesn't use face book or anything else that might spy on you well then cry away you have my full support you are not a hypocrite. Somehow I doubt that's many people in these threads. Oh and what's more ironic then a bunch of people trolling a, get this internet forum for the last couple days and crying because it requires a connection. Yeah sounds like your connection is really unstable.
 
dandragonrage said:
I'm not even close to poor. I could preorder multiples of each of these systems without having to keep a credit card balance. I just happen to realize that my consumer rights are more important than any exclusive game Xbox will ever get. Halo? lol.. I'm not 13, and I couldn't care less about that crap.
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QFT! I prefer not to spend more money than I need to on something if I can help it. There is no reason for me to spend $60 on a game if I can get the same thing on sale for the PC for $17 instead. (Tomb Raider was the one.)
 
Ripperjack said:
Indeed. Do you know how tempting a target the XBone authentication servers are going to be to hacker groups??!!

Just knowing you can grief tens of hundreds of gamers, by screwing with a single server, is going to be more than irresistible. The ultimate epeen... er I mean... XBoner Troll move! :rolleyes:
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I think it will take a little more than finding and taking down 1 server.
 
New news!
Xbox one is only supported in the following 21 countries:

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

No japan, no turkey, no Hungary, no israel, etc.

Source is from microsoft themselfs: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

What a trainwreck. I thought it couldn't POSSIBLY get worse.

And they expect to sell a billion consoles. HAH!
 
rudy said:
Yet most of you sit around with your steam games. I don't buy for one second this instance is really that much different. Sure you may be out raged by this or that but half these people would change their minds in a split second and the arguments would be much more complex if the XBone was selling for 399.
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Stop trying to make comparisons to Steam like its a good justification for Microsoft's new draconian DRM policies, only makes you look foolish.

Understand that Steam runs on an open system, where you can install games from anywhere - Origin, Ubisoft, GOG, standalone, whatever. Because of this, price drops and sales.

XBONE? You've got one choice and one choice only. You really think Microsoft is going to drop the price of games on there? LOL
 
rudy said:
Yet most of you sit around with your steam games. I don't buy for one second this instance is really that much different. Sure you may be out raged by this or that but half these people would change their minds in a split second and the arguments would be much more complex if the XBone was selling for 399.

To me I am not on any side but just sick of people making unfair comparisons. You may be an outlier but half the people freaking out here are afterall here at hard running around buying games on steam with full DRM and the need to an online connection for most of it, and checking their gmail while google actively spies on everything they do.

For most people the details they discuss in email are far more private than anything they do in their living room and any time you decide to do something in your living room you can just pull the power cord on the 360. Yet people act like its somehow different now. Its not your rights disappeared a long time ago you sold them out for cheap games on steam and free email with more space and becaue you wanted people to know what you were doing at the mall on face book. But then you freak out about the exact same things on a console.

Fact is this discrepancy can only be explained by some other selfish motivation. perhaps its the loss of you calculated system of using free games, you need to get everyone playing the same console as you, who knows. If you are some rare guy who only uses email which promises never to look at any of your data, never bought a single steam or origin game, and doesn't use face book or anything else that might spy on you well then cry away you have my full support you are not a hypocrite. Somehow I doubt that's many people in these threads. Oh and what's more ironic then a bunch of people trolling a, get this internet forum for the last couple days and crying because it requires a connection. Yeah sounds like your connection is really unstable.
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You are correct, most do. However as one of the few who meets your criteria of not using steam, origin, facebook etc. I choose not to take the stance of "oh well people are using x stuff anyhow". I instead choose to use this as a means to get people outraged by these types of policies. It is a starting point that people are paying attention too for once. I can hope that stuff like this has the potential to wake people up from their complacency and realize that this kind of crap isn't acceptable by any company. so you are darn right I am going to stir this pot as much as I can because I am sick of all the anti-consumer, drm bullshit being shoveled out by companies like Facebook, Steam, Origin, MS and the list goes on and on. I utterly detest the fact that I have to jump through hoops to prove I am not a pirate on my PC, I utterly detest the fact that companies feel they have the right to use information on the web against me, I utterly detest the fact that companies feel they have a right to my personal information to "Advertise" to me. I am sick and tired of being treated like either a walking wallet or a criminal. So yes, I am going to be very vocal any chance I get shouting these abusive policies down and trying to rattle people out of their sheep mentality.
 
For the record... I am on a nuclear sub and it is indeed difficult to get an Internet connection.. :D
 
dandragonrage said:
You are incorrect. Microsoft is infringing on our consumer rights - period. And people buying their product are directly supporting this. Capitalism really requires consumers to boycott when they're wronged. It doesn't work nearly as well when your population gets stupid and apathetic like it has today. Most problems in the world are caused by people who don't care to act, whether that be politically, capitalistically, or any of many other ways people are stupid.

If I don't buy it, MS can't infringe on my rights, but if people would care as they should, MS would get the immediate message that they can't f**k with our rights, and they would fix the problem. But no - it's just going to keep getting worse because you morons will keep buying their stuff.
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Your rights as a consumer are to spend your money on what you want to. FFS you act as if MS owes you something. They can sell their product with what ever features or requirements they choose.
 
With shit like this, Microsoft is practically telling people to buy a PS4 instead, not surprised at Microsoft's behaviour these days, they are obviously ignoring customers feedback and being an arrogant asshole, they will cause their own downfall because of this.
 
John Vuong said:
With shit like this, Microsoft is practically telling people to buy a PS4 instead, not surprised at Microsoft's behaviour these days, they are obviously ignoring customers feedback and being an arrogant asshole, they will cause their own downfall because of this.
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That is why i keep saying they will turn around before launch, unless MS is proud to have people working for them with mad skills how to piss of your potential buyers is a pre requisite for joining MS.

Stuck with stupid people saying stupid stuff, supposedly the Xbox one was about games not stupid people saying stupid things.
 
Can't really see any military members ever buying a Xbone, it's a complete waste of money for anyone who deploys regularly. That's ~1% of the US population that MS wants to convert to the ps4. Crazy.
 
DF-1 said:
New news!
Xbox one is only supported in the following 21 countries:

No japan, no turkey, no Hungary, no israel, etc.

Source is from microsoft themselfs: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

What a trainwreck. I thought it couldn't POSSIBLY get worse.

And they expect to sell a billion consoles. HAH!
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So they've completely left out the Asian market, and with region lock, there's no way anyone can import if they really wanted it. That's like a free head start for Sony, lol.

Whoever in charge of Xbox 1 project will be the Jay Wilson of console. Pretty dumb stuff.
 
Polish Ninja said:
Can't really see any military members ever buying a Xbone, it's a complete waste of money for anyone who deploys regularly. That's ~1% of the US population that MS wants to convert to the ps4. Crazy.
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Plus if they are outside the MS zone (which all of the Middle East is, and Asia) they wont be able to play their games anyway. :D
 
What so many of you guys don't realize is that people who visit tech sites, and are into the culture and a small fraction of the overall consumer base.

MS doesn't care what we think unless it somehow effects sales which it won't. This new console is focused on consuming media (sales) from the couch, and will probably be very good at that.
 
Ripperjack said:
Indeed. Do you know how tempting a target the XBone authentication servers are going to be to hacker groups??!!

Just knowing you can grief tens of hundreds of gamers, by screwing with a single server, is going to be more than irresistible.
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I'm surprised that this argument doesn't come up more often, actually...
 
bacon said:
What so many of you guys don't realize is that people who visit tech sites, and are into the culture and a small fraction of the overall consumer base.

MS doesn't care what we think unless it somehow effects sales which it won't. This new console is focused on consuming media (sales) from the couch, and will probably be very good at that.
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I think it will spread over, though... I already see articles in newspapers around town (I live in NY) that say positive things about PS4 and negative things about xbone bringing up the points on price, privacy issues, and all other stuff that us, minority, talk on tech sites... Of course a lot of people initially turn the blind eye but will stop when it's starts effecting them. So, unless MS will make changes to their policies on stuff, the shit will hit the fan and then MS will feel it even worse.
 
bacon said:
What so many of you guys don't realize is that people who visit tech sites, and are into the culture and a small fraction of the overall consumer base.

MS doesn't care what we think unless it somehow effects sales which it won't. This new console is focused on consuming media (sales) from the couch, and will probably be very good at that.
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Just wondering if you've ever seen the prices for non-game media bought through the Xbox 360? Prices are not even close to competative.

Amazon would have been smart to instead of fight Valve in games, to team up with them to be the base media content provider for the Steambox.
 
AthlonXP said:
Trust me ask the majority of people who want an Xbox one (I am not talking about people here) and they would care less or not even know.
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And how is that Microsoft's fault? They have put this information out there in many different formats. And the whole care less just proves my point. If they don't care about it, then Microsoft isn't really 'pulling one over' on them.
 
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