NVidia 760 Now or wait for the 860?

$250 budget?? And you are really waiting for a 760ti that WILL be launched at $299?

I just picked up a 7970 GE for $280 used... You can easily grab a 7950 used for under $250 or a GTX670 for about $250 and not have to wait...
 
txsizzler said:
Understand that the heat dissipation out of the rear of the card is for the reference models only (got this off of tomshardware site on their 770 review), and their are very few reference models that will be available.
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But, wouldn't that be false advertizing? Wait, this must be what you're talking about:

"The GeForce GTX 770s on our test bench bear the same industrial design as the GeForce GTX 780 and Titan, yes. And today’s review is representative of other 770s based on that configuration. But don’t think for a minute that all 770s are going to look like ours. As you might imagine, the vapor chamber heat sink, aluminum shroud, PC window, and backlit logo are expensive (we hear the thermal solution alone costs between $50 and $60).

So, Nvidia’s partners are eager to save that expense, use their own coolers, and perhaps do a little overclocking to optimize the margin and value of the cards they sell."

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-2.html
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I will try to get that same one - it sounds like it may be worth the extra money - what do you think? If I'm gonna buy this card, I want a keeper. Those are the features that really got me interested in the 700 series in the first place; minus the PC window and backlit logo that I don't care about.

I'm currently liking the new NVidia GPU's specifically because I like how they're finally dissipating the heat out the rear of the computer case, rather than inside the case making everything else heat up:

"... Twice as effective as the thermal grease applied to GTX 680 GPUs, this seemingly small change allows us to push the GTX 780 harder and faster, and to reduce fan speeds when idle."

"... Finally, to remove the collected and dissipated heat, a rear-mounted fan constructed from an acoustic-dampening material blows it out through the exhaust at the rear of the computer’s chassis, and away from the card’s components.

"... exterior is comprised of cast aluminum, which dissipates heat more effectively than plastic. The fan, meanwhile, is surrounded by an injection-molded material that dissipates heat and reduces fan noise"
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From here and here

I'm hoping that the 760 & 760ti will utilize that as well??? Plus, noise reduction.

Are the Radeon GPU's doing the same?
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From what I understand, only the reference models will blow heat out the back of the card, whereas the partner models will have the side mounted fans, typical of those non-reference models, which of course blow heat back into the case. I believe Toms quoted less than 10,000 of those reference models will be available, so they may end up fetching a pretty penny.

If you look at that article, the MSI 770 OC Lightning was by far the coolest running out of the batch Tom's tested, including the reference model. That would be the one I would most likely aim for.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-26.html
 
So much sage advice in this thread that I can't tell who's trolling and who's serious.

Either way, quit worrying about the future, and as of right now, that includes the 760 as last I checked, it hasn't even launched! Of course, I usually find out about these things when the article arrives on the front page on launch day.... However, if you recall the 6xx generation, the 660 didn't follow until something like 9 months after the 680 launch... so you might be sitting on your thumb for a rather uncomfortable period of time.

From a cooling perspective, every manufacturer does it differently. For at least the past 6 months, if not longer, I've barely seen a reference 7xxx Radeon or 6xx GeForce on the market with a reference cooler. They're all custom and they all mostly don't vent out the back. However, they all do work sufficiently (some better than others) at maintaining the card at a safe operational temperature that will last you many years (and that's not something that will change no matter how much of the marketing hype about the cooling solution that you buy into). I've had a LOT of cards on my test bench in open air with my head no more than 2 feet away over my tenure here and I don't think I've run into a problematic card from a noise perspective...

The 660 doesn't really matter where it vents because it barely uses power and doesn't really generate any heat...

If you were to look at the red team, the 7870LE based cards are a great deal under $250 and it isn't all that uncommon to find a 7950 around that price point. As of right now, the green team simply isn't competitive at that price point....
 
txsizzler said:
From what I understand, only the reference models will blow heat out the back of the card, whereas the partner models will have the side mounted fans, typical of those non-reference models, which of course blow heat back into the case. I believe Toms quoted less than 10,000 of those reference models will be available, so they may end up fetching a pretty penny.

If you look at that article, the MSI 770 OC Lightning was by far the coolest running out of the batch Tom's tested, including the reference model. That would be the one I would most likely aim for.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-26.html
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I did see that, I just think all of those 770's were butt ugly except the GeForce 770. Of course, I realize looks don't improve performance, but the reference cards seem to be far better made to last much longer. Like the aluminum case compared to the plastic and the better heat grease and I really prefer the heat be dissipated out the rear of the case instead of heating up the inside of my case making it far more difficult to keep everything else cool. Let me know if I'm wrong on that. It just seems like basic common sense to me 'cause I'll need to make this new GPU last as long as possible. If I get it, it'll be my first real, brand new GPU. I've always had older, used GPU's in the past just to get by.
 
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JoseJones said:
I'm curious about what kind of performance increase I would see going from my current HIS 4870, which is now 5 years old, to a 760 or a 760ti?

I have to use comparisons of the 660 & 660ti for now since the 760's are not out yet:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=513

http://www.hwcompare.com/13394/geforce-gtx-660-vs-radeon-hd-4870-1gb/

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-4870-vs-GeForce-GTX-660

http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-700/geforce-gtx-760
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*blink*
 
Once you get a better board and CPU, your performance will be vastly greater. As it stands now, you will be bottle necked pretty bad, so you will only see some performance gains.
 
Grab yourself a used 2500k or 3570k system and grab a 7950 for $250, it should be on par with the 670/760.

Less than $500 for a complete overhaul that will give a noticeable "edit:HUGE" improvement .

If you still want to spend around $500 grab the 8970 when it's released, supposed to be a Titan killer (on paper :rolleyes:). I'm crossing my fingers for it.
 
A card labeled as a GTX 760 with 2gb vram and a 256 bit bus was on display at Computex at a vendor stand.
 
txsizzler said:
Once you get a better board and CPU, your performance will be vastly greater. As it stands now, you will be bottle necked pretty bad, so you will only see some performance gains.
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Yeah, I figured as much. My plan is do get a new GPU soon and then upgrade my mobo, CPU & ram next year around xmas or so since my budget is really tight right now. I was waiting for Intel's new CPU's Broadwell or Skylake, sata 4 & DDR4 etc to come out.
 
JoseJones said:
Yeah, I figured as much. My plan is do get a new GPU soon and then upgrade my mobo, CPU & ram next year around xmas or so since my budget is really tight right now. I was waiting for Intel's new CPU's Broadwell or Skylake, sata 4 & DDR4 etc to come out.
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Ok so just guy a GPU now. If it could be another 18 months before you upgrade the rest of your PC, getting a 760 over a 660 isn't going to matter. Get something you can afford not and stop worrying about when the exact right time to buy is. For less then $200 right now you can make a massive GPU performance upgrade and enjoy it NOW instead of dragging things out.
 
Another improvement over my current 5-year old GPU, HIS 4870, is that I hear the newer "DX 11 & 11.1 GPU's change their memory clocks at idle, so temps stay below 40C - and Kepler generally stays below 70C under load."

What else am I missing out on?
 
760 ti will have the same cooler that came with the gtx680 and gtx670 last year.
Only 10,000 gtx770 cards were produced, and none of them made it to retail. They all went to reviewers and to system builders like ibuypower. Give up on that dream, you won't get one, even for a premium.

The budget you have doesn't let you buy in to the latest and greatest. Buy the best you can afford and move on. The performance difference generation to generation isn't too big, but your 5 year old card is no where near as powerful as even the cheapest cards today. Expect 150 to 200% increase in power.

Just get the damn card. Don't wait till Christmas unless you'll have more money saved up. Trust me, anything you buy will blow your mind!
 
S[H]ady;1039944576 said:
760 ti will have the same cooler that came with the gtx680 and gtx670 last year.
Only 10,000 gtx770 cards were produced, and none of them made it to retail. They all went to reviewers and to system builders like ibuypower. Give up on that dream, you won't get one, even for a premium.
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What?

So you're saying I can't buy this Galaxy GTX 770 right now for $400?
 
Another improvement over my current 5-year old GPU, HIS 4870, is that I hear the newer "DX 11 & 11.1 GPU's change their memory clocks at idle, so temps stay below 40C - and Kepler generally stays below 70C under load."

What else am I missing out on?

I notice that some websites say the 760 has DX 11 and opengl 4.2 and 192-bit; while others say DX 11.1, opengl 4.3 and 256-bit - will all that make a noticeable difference? Or, does nobody really know the specs yet and they're just guesstimating?

http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-700/geforce-gtx-760

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1857/geforce-gtx-760.html
 
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The 700 series (re-vamped 600 series) is 28nm. Next year the 800 Maxwell series will be 20nm - will that make such a substantial difference that's worth waiting for?

http://videocardz.com/38693/nvidia-sticks-with-tsmc-for-20nm-maxwell-geforce-800-series

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Its not the Ti version being released next week for the 760. Its just GTX 760 from all the rumors. This version only has 1152 cores with a 256-bit bus from rumorville and actually makes sense. Nvidia hurt themselves with the 670/660 being so close in performance. Alot of us saw how close 660Ti was to the 670 and bought the 660 instead of 670. No regrets either.

http://videocardz.com/42587/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-pictured-arriving-next-week

I would say buy a 660Ti for now and spend some money on upgrading to a i5 3570. Great performance increase over X4 955. (I had one before going i5 2500k)
 
^ snowbeast, that's basically what I had in mind.

My plan is do get a new GPU soon and then upgrade my mobo, CPU & ram next year around xmas or so since my budget is really tight right now. I was waiting for Intel's new CPU's Broadwell or Skylake, sata 4 & DDR4 etc to come out.

Would a 760 be a good enough GPU for an i5 or i7 Broadwell or Skylake system? I'm a bit concerned with my current system being the bottleneck even on the 760??? Is that an issue I need to be worried about?
 
JoseJones said:
^ snowbeast, that's basically what I had in mind.

My plan is do get a new GPU soon and then upgrade my mobo, CPU & ram next year around xmas or so since my budget is really tight right now. I was waiting for Intel's new CPU's Broadwell or Skylake, sata 4 & DDR4 etc to come out.

Would a 760 be a good enough GPU for an i5 or i7 Broadwell or Skylake system? I'm a bit concerned with my current system being the bottleneck even on the 760??? Is that an issue I need to be worried about?
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If you have anything from Sandy Bridge to now Haswell you are not going to be cpu bound from the benches posted here at [H] and other sites. As long as you are on one of these new Intel cpu's from Sandy Bridge on up, I can't see anything really bottlenecking any new gpu.

Besides, its more about programming it seems. In my eyes BF3 in nicer graphics wise than say Metro 2033 and runs better but Metro still runs like a dog and ppl use it as a benchmark when to me its bad programming not taking advantage of full optimizations on the CPU(all cores being used) and GPU like BF3 does. TombRaider is another example of a game that looks great too compared to either Metro game IMO. It runs perfect with new drivers yet even on my system today Metro 2033 runs sluggish at times or can't run with all bells and whistles. I don't care what anyone says that bad programming period. Battlefield 4 looks like a gpu killer, but I bet it runs great on whatever GPU from 2x 660Ti's to Titan because like BF3 it will be programmed to use everything your system has. Just like Far Cry 3. Loved it graphics and game play wise. Everything cranked up. Beautiful, ran like a dream on my system. Crysis 3, little choppy at times and IMO does look as nice to me as FC3. Like I said, my opinion.
I think it would be great to have a writer call out these developers on sloppy programming, tighten up there developement code. If BF3/4 run this good lke they do, I can't wait to see what Dice does with Star Wars: Battlefront 3. :)
 
Get a 7950 for under $300 new. Right now you'll get 4 free games - FC3: Blood Dragon, Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, and Tomb Raider. If you need/want to, you can sell the games for $20-25+ each.

When the Maxwell cards come out and if you're ready to upgrade to one, compare them to whatever else is from the competition at the time, then choose accordingly.


(didn't read entire thread, so maybe someone else already posted this)
 
Skillz said:
What?

So you're saying I can't buy this Galaxy GTX 770 right now for $400?
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Re-read what I wrote.

Gtx770 with reference coolers didn't got to retail. The card you linked is a custom cooler put on by galaxy.
The OP wants to get a reference cooler from the Titan ( ie: vapour chamber).
The chances of that happening on a 770 are slim to nil. The OP wants it on a 760ti ( for 250 dollars). I told him to give up on that dream , because it ain't going to happen.

There's nothing wrong with a 770 with a different cooler, but the OP specifically pointed out that he wants the fancy cooler because it vents out the back, not into the case.


OP: don't get hung up so much on whether or not the card will work well with future hardware.
It will be fine. It won't by then be cutting edge, and if you want to play the latest games in the future, your card will show its age. For not get what you can afford and then carry it over until you can afford something new.
No one can say what the future tech will be like. We can all tell you now that what you have if very slow compared to what you can get.
Stop worrying so much about then. Focus on the now.


Also, you keep saying you budget is tight and you can't spend more than 250.
2 things stick out. Why can't you save more if you're already willing to wait until Christmas or even next year? Put more away for longer to get something better ( or just get what you can afford now and be happy)
And what makes you think you'll be able to afford the next gen stuff next year? If your budget is that tit now, how are you going to come up with the money for a new system then?

Again, don't worry about the future. You may not be around after all. You never know when pyou might pas away. Make sure you live for today because tomorrow may not come. Plan for the future but live for today.
 
DejaWiz said:
Get a 7950 for under $300 new. Right now you'll get 4 free games - FC3: Blood Dragon, Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, and Tomb Raider. If you need/want to, you can sell the games for $20-25+ each.

When the Maxwell cards come out and if you're ready to upgrade to one, compare them to whatever else is from the competition at the time, then choose accordingly.


(didn't read entire thread, so maybe someone else already posted this)
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Yeah but he could get a 4GB Radeon 9950 in 2015 with even better games if he waits!
 
ocellaris said:
Yeah but he could get a 4GB Radeon 9950 in 2015 with even better games if he waits!
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Well, yeah, but we know for sure nVidia is bringing Maxwell out, and at the rate AMD is going, the 9950 may be a rebranded 7970. :p
 
JoseJones said:
I'm still considering the 760 depending on the price. A 660 averages around $200 to $250 ish

But, I'm wondering if the 800 series would be able to handle 4k resolution because it doesn't appear that the 760 would, but I could be wrong?

Not that I'm going to run out to buy a 4k monitor - I'm not, but I don't want to be denied being able to play a game because of it. That is starting to happen to me now - I got Crisis 3 on Origin & it wouldn't let me play the game cause it said my GPU (4870) couldn't play it. I'd like the ability to play 4k at least on lower settings.
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LOL, I doubt any current gen hardware could handle a 4k game. If your goal is to play current games at faster fps/higher quality settings, then go ahead and get the 760 if the benchmarks are good and the price is right.
 
Ah, I did totally misread what you were saying. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Are you really young or something? There's no such thing as being future-proof in this hobby. I would go for a used GTX670/680.
 
fullvietFX said:
I would go for a used GTX670/680.
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JoseJones said:
Nah, the 670 runs between $350 to $425 ish.

The 680 runs between $400 to $560

For around $250/$299 I'd rather have the newer 760, which is close to a 670 for $100 bucks cheaper.
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This.

Right now retailers and selling owners are in a rush to get as much as they can for their 670s before 760 officially comes out at $299. If one can wait the few weeks, one ought to.
 
I've heard that nVidia may not even release a 760ti version and that the 760 may instead be the ti since the 660ti was so close to the 670 with a little OC.

The 660's runs between $199 to $260

The 660ti's run between $279 to $340
 
JoseJones said:
I've heard that nVidia may not even release a 760ti version and that the 760 may instead be the ti since the 660ti was so close to the 670 with a little OC.

The 660's runs between $199 to $260

The 660ti's run between $279 to $340
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that makes no sense. the 660ti and 670 are at the same clocks so the clock for clock difference will always be there if you oc both. the 680 though was clocked higher than the 670 and in reality was only 3-5% faster at the same clocks though. bottom line is there is more performance difference between 660ti and 670.
 
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