Is there any 23" better than the Asus VG23AH right now or in the near future?

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simon311A

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I'm looking to get a 2nd monitor to go with my Asus VS239H-P. My preferences are pretty specific...

- Resolution and Size: 23" 1920x1080
- Panel: IPS or better
- Coating: Glossy or semi-glossy, but not as glossy as the new Dell S series
- Refresh Rate: 60Hz is fine, but more is awesome
- Response Time: Pretty sure everything is fine in this regard these days
- Vesa Mountable: Yes

Based on these criteria, the VG23AH looks like the best (and only?) choice. I'm just worried about the grey line issue, and wanted to double check if there are any alternatives currently or nearly out on the market.
Thank you!
 
Considered the U2312HM? Only issue for you would be that it's not glossy or semi-glossy. It can reach 75hz and has the lowest input lag of monitors in its class.
 
BoomSlang001 said:
Considered the U2312HM? Only issue for you would be that it's not glossy or semi-glossy. It can reach 75hz and has the lowest input lag of monitors in its class.
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My room doesn't have any significant glare, so I'd really like to get a glossy or semi-glossy monitor. My laptop is a Macbook Pro and while it is a TN panel, the glossy panel really does help clarity.

I am hesitant about the VG23AH because almost all the amazon reviews complain about the gray horizontal lines. And I think the new Dell S-series is far too reflective. Perhaps another option is the new Asus MX line, since they use slightly less aggressive AG coating.

Thanks for your input!
 
BoomSlang001 said:
Considered the U2312HM? Only issue for you would be that it's not glossy or semi-glossy. It can reach 75hz and has the lowest input lag of monitors in its class.
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Got any proof or details?

simon311A said:
I am hesitant about the VG23AH because almost all the amazon reviews complain about the gray horizontal lines.
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Thats the sideffect of passive 3D. Unless you intend to use 3D, I'd say its a bad choice for you then.

Eizo FS2333. Probably cannot overclock, however.
 
Eizo Foris FS2333, one of the fastest IPS on the market if i remember correct.
Bought mine 2 months back and i absolutely love it, no input lag or ghosting what so ever and i love the semi glossy coating.
If it's a 23" IPS you want, this is probably the best option atm.
 
livefastdieyoung said:
only the 27 and 24-inch dell s-series monitors are extra glossy because of the glass over the panel. the 23 and 22-inch s-series displays are 'normal' glossy.
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The 23" has the same glass surface over the panel and is just as glossy as the other two, it just isn't edge-to-edge like the 24" and 27".

simon311A said:
I believe they also have ghosting issues from their overdrive, though?
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According to the "experts" it does but i've been gaming with the 27" for about a month now and have yet to notice anything. I'm also not under any delusion about being a "pro gamer" however, either.
 
simon311A said:
My room doesn't have any significant glare, so I'd really like to get a glossy or semi-glossy monitor. My laptop is a Macbook Pro and while it is a TN panel, the glossy panel really does help clarity.

I am hesitant about the VG23AH because almost all the amazon reviews complain about the gray horizontal lines. And I think the new Dell S-series is far too reflective. Perhaps another option is the new Asus MX line, since they use slightly less aggressive AG coating.

Thanks for your input!
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Honestly, the gloss on the S2340 is not bad at all..in fact, I think it's perfect. I too have a MacBook Pro with a glossy screen, and they seem equally glossy. If you're saying your room has no significant glare, I'd strongly consider the S2340L. It's a sleek monitor too.
 
Halven said:
Eizo Foris FS2333, one of the fastest IPS on the market if i remember correct.
Bought mine 2 months back and i absolutely love it, no input lag or ghosting what so ever and i love the semi glossy coating.
If it's a 23" IPS you want, this is probably the best option atm.
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This monitor looks really, really good. Too bad about the price though...

The Dell S-series I would consider if they do a revision of it with less severe overdrive. While I don't play FPS, ghosting issues would present themselves in any fast-paced game, such as osu, certain rpgs, etc.

I guess the 2 options for me would be the VG23AH (can try off amazon to see if I get grey lines) or the MX239H (I read that it has less severe AG coating?).

I find the whole situation to be bleak, is there anything coming out soon?
 
There are also the Samsung AD-PLS models (23" and 23.6" if I recall right). But I am not sure if they are available in the US yet. I would expect it should be similar to the Eizo, as I believe that is also PLS, although who knows about build quality -- hopefully it won't be as bleedy as their 24" PLS.
 
simon311A said:
While I don't play FPS, ghosting issues would present themselves in any fast-paced game, such as osu, certain rpgs, etc.
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for me, rtc overshoot is even more noticeable when watching movies and tv shows. it causes slow to moderate speed motion scenes to be more juddery.

I guess the 2 options for me would be the VG23AH (can try off amazon to see if I get grey lines) or the MX239H (I read that it has less severe AG coating?).
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other options to consider are the lg ips237l and viewsonic vx2370smh. they're the same slim, 'bezelless' style monitor as the mx239h and they all use essentially the same panels so image quality should be about the same. if the vx2370 is anything like its bigger brother the vx2770, it won't any overshoot.
 
Ordered a VG23AH. Absolutely love the coating, and was able to get 75hz without issue on my AMD graphics card. However, the faint gray lines are sometimes noticeable. Do you guys think I'd be better off playing the return game with Amazon, or just going for the MX239H? (I have no interest in 3D)

Does anyone know if the MX239H can be overclocked to say, 72hz?
 
if you see the horizontal lines on one vg23ah, you'll see it on all of them. it is not a defect; it has to do with the polarization filter on the screen.
 
Quality has been a concern for Asus. Eizo is the best right now. 0.8ms input lag less than 0.05 frames. 400.00 US. You want awesome, you get what you pay for. PLS semi-gloss. 10-bit LUT. I calibrated mine to 960:1 with i1 pro @ 140cd/m2. Great to edit sRGB photo content on as well. White whites no screen door but I can play in the sunlight if I choose. Something my NEC 20WMGX2 was unable to let me do.
 
I have a new vg23ah and I am very pleased with my purchase. I received my first unit from Amazon, which had very bad backlight bleeding. They sent me a new unit 2 day shipping with a UPS return label so that I could send my first unit back free of charge. I'm very happy I picked Amazon...

Some remarks on the monitor itself:
- I can see the horizontal lines on light backgrounds IF I am wearing my glasses, which is only about 5% of the time. It is fairly noticeable if I'm browsing the internet, but I couldn't see them after a few minutes of playing a video game. However, I am usually wearing my contacts. If you wear glasses 100% of the time this probably isn't the monitor for you.

- There are minor issues with screen uniformity. The bottom left and top right corners of the screen are slightly lighter than the rest of the screen. I read this in several reviews before I bought the monitor and it is not noticeable in gaming or internet browsing - only if I have it set to a completely black screen.

- I have my monitor set at 72hz and it is excellent for gaming. I am very glad I got a semi-glossy monitor since I compute in a low-light atmosphere.

I also have no intention of using the 3d functionality of this monitor.
 
I should mention, I do wear glasses. But I see the lines without my glasses on as well.

I've decided that I don't need my monitors to match, and I actually would prefer a 24" 1920x1200, so now I'm very interested in the NEC EA244WMi. Just wonder if that can be set to refresh at 72hz+.
 
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Does anyone know how you test to see if your room will impacted by glare or not? I'm interested in the S2340L but I'm not sure how will be affected by the glare...
 
Fahim said:
Does anyone know how you test to see if your room will impacted by glare or not? I'm interested in the S2340L but I'm not sure how will be affected by the glare...
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If you own a tablet, test that out in the room your monitor will go in. It'll give you a very rough idea if glare would bother you or not. Also test it on black screens, as quite often you will get a mirror-effect that can be bothersome to some (even in normal lighting conditions).

If you don't have a tablet, get the Dell from Best Buy or Costco... or some place with easy returns.
 
Namelessme said:
If you own a tablet, test that out in the room your monitor will go in. It'll give you a very rough idea if glare would bother you or not. Also test it on black screens, as quite often you will get a mirror-effect that can be bothersome to some (even in normal lighting conditions).

If you don't have a tablet, get the Dell from Best Buy or Costco... or some place with easy returns.
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Good Idea, i tried it out with my smart phone. and it's not too bad when the screen is on, but it's a clear reflection when the screen is off - which i'm sure is the case in all glossy screens...

I think this helps man - thanks!
 
Another monitor to keep in mind for those looking for a 23"er is the recently released NEC EA234WMi-BK. I haven't read what type of coating it has, but I'd hope it'd be light or semiglossy as most 23"ers tend to be lately. It should be around $270, which isn't too terrible... more than the Dell, but not as expensive as the Eizo. Wait for proper reviews though.
 
It's bad enough that while booted into OS X I thought the pinstripe look had come back ala' 10.4. It is one reason that my VG23AH is a backup display. Videos and games seem to be just fine as it lends a type of 'interlaced' quality but doing work in general OS bothers me. I tend to be a perfectionist with image quality seeing as that's all you look at while using your computer.
 
ADRENALIN_2099 said:
I thought the lines would only be visible in 3D mode.....I'm eyeing this monitor....is it really THAT bad?
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They would be visible at all times if they are something your vision can detect. They are the result of the 3D overlay/emitter/etc that is on the panel. It's something that is physically there. It's not an optical illusion/digital artifact/etc.
 
Racer_J said:
They would be visible at all times if they are something your vision can detect. They are the result of the 3D overlay/emitter/etc that is on the panel. It's something that is physically there. It's not an optical illusion/digital artifact/etc.
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Is it something that you think is a deal breaker?
 
CrabJuice said:
Got any proof or details?


Thats the sideffect of passive 3D. Unless you intend to use 3D, I'd say its a bad choice for you then.

Eizo FS2333. Probably cannot overclock, however.
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Fyi, the coating on Dell U2312HM is very harsh (3H type they use). You can remove it though. I will actually attempt this myself. Just know you are at a risk ruining the screen when doing it. Look here for guide: [Guide] How to remove the anti-glare(AG) coating from a Dell U2312HM LCD
 
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