Radeon HD 7990 versus GeForce GTX TITAN Review @ [H]

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thought I was the only one who noticed. I brought something like this up in the initial 7990 review, too

This "review"/comparison was basically a Titan advert, and a very thinly veiled one at that.
 
Xinmosni said:
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thought I was the only one who noticed. I brought something like this up in the initial 7990 review, too

This "review"/comparison was basically a Titan advert, and a very thinly veiled one at that.
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Just do what I do: look at the great stats [H] provides and skip the opinions. In reality, someone else's opinion/conclusion is useless anyways since YOU'RE the one who's going to be using it, not them. Not a knock against Brent and [H], more of a knock against anyone's opinion other than your own.

Instead just take the data provided and either ask actual owners, or better yet, go and see the setup run for yourself. Ever since I got burned by buying a video card based on someone else's opinion I refuse to be so naive ever again. But, alas, people are lazy, and such opinions can sway them rather easily.
 
That's_Corporate said:
What Runningflame570 is getting at, is that when AMD "loses" in one of these reviews, he feels that Brent isn't giving them any saving graces. Whereas in this review where AMD clearly came out on top, Brent went out of his way to maintain a positive outlook on nVidia - such a courtesy is not afforded to AMD when it loses.
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Xinmosni said:
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thought I was the only one who noticed. I brought something like this up in the initial 7990 review, too

This "review"/comparison was basically a Titan advert, and a very thinly veiled one at that.
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You guys have a short memory. I may have been a forum member for only 6 years, but I have been reading reviews on this site since the "quack.exe" days. If you take in account all the reviews HardOCP has done over the years, you will see the opinions swing all over the place on different brands.

You guys are simply reading what you want to read.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
You guys have a short memory. I may have been a forum member for only 6 years, but I have been reading reviews on this site since the "quack.exe" days. If you take in account all the reviews HardOCP has done over the years, you will see the opinions swing all over the place on different brands.

You guys are simply reading what you want to read.
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I can only speak for myself, but I'm not "wanting" to read anything. The issue we're speaking of is not bias to a specific brand, but bias in general. I agree that bias can swing, but does that mean bias is eliminated? Of course not. It just means that it swings from one brand to another, but at the moment bias is present it is misleading.

I'm not saying bias is present in any of these articles, all I'm saying is that any sort of bias is hurtful to the consumer who is unwilling to do his own research. Considering the vast majority of people on this forum are consumers, it should be of the utmost importance to see bias for what it is and eliminate it if possible.

It's not an AMD vs. nVidia thing, it's a "bias is always bad" thing.
Again, I'm not saying this is the case in this example, just pointing out the potential dangers and the influence that review sites have.

If you can at least admit that bias, in all forms, is bad - then you've gotten my point.
 
"However, the real show stopper is still two separate Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition video cards with CrossFire enabled. Those can be purchased at $100-200 less expensive than GeForce GTX TITAN or AMD Radeon HD 7990, and provide a lot more performance."

So basically what I paid $1100 for back in Jan 2012 bought me more performance than what I can buy for $1000 today..... almost 16 months later! I don't blame people for being upset at the price of the Titan or 7990... but it does make me feel like I got a great deal with my two overclocked ref. 7970's I purchased at launch.
 
Ya 3 gigabyte 7970s in Tri Fire since Launch, all at 1100/1700 for everday use with i little higher for Benching and i can still sell them for decent money. I think these have been the best cards i have owned, I did love my 3 6970s in tri fire :)
 
twzTechman said:
I am still wondering about the smoothness issue with the ATI cards. I have read too many reviews (even here on HARDOCP) that ATI Crossfire setups don't have the smoothness of the Nvidia SLI setups.

For me - I am debating my next upgrade. I am still sitting on an older CPU(i7 930). Should I go ahead and get a new MB/CPU or get a 2nd 680 and go SLI?
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What is yours clocked at? I am at 4ghz debating what to do.
 
so you did not resumed runts & dropped frames,
if you would you would see much even average FPS between them
and MUCH smoother game-play in the titan. (not that i think that he's worth the crazy money at all nor does the 7990, but if you going to buy, the titan is WAY better choise)
 
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I am still wondering about the smoothness issue with the ATI cards. I have read too many reviews (even here on HARDOCP) that ATI Crossfire setups don't have the smoothness of the Nvidia SLI setups.

For me - I am debating my next upgrade. I am still sitting on an older CPU(i7 930). Should I go ahead and get a new MB/CPU or get a 2nd 680 and go SLI?
What is yours clocked at? I am at 4ghz debating what to do.

I've had both my 680 and 690 in a similar machine - i950, 6GB etc...I'd say get a second 680, it will show the most - improved IQ or FPS depending on your monitor setup - IQ improvements for up to 1920x1600P or FPS for higher res and/or multi-monitor, given the lack of framebuffer tends to effect IQ settings more than raw FPS..gl!!
 
That's_Corporate said:
Not surprising you should say that.
You invested $1,000 in a Titan, so you have a vested interest in believing that you would not have been better off with a Crossfire system. Any information to the contrary you'll probably reject/ignore, unless you're completely objective and have no brand loyalty (rare around [H]).
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One thing you should keep in mind is that people who can afford a Titan, or 2, more than likely are after the best gaming experience possible, brands mean nothing when it comes to loyalty(when is a brand loyal to us consumers?) and are likely to have tried ATI/AMD Crossfire but for various reasons rejected it. I have bought and returned 3 AMD cards since I got my 680 - yes, I tried 2 card, then 3 card Crossfire and it worked as well as SLI did in 2008. Then I bought a 690 and was shocked @ the difference. Yes, FRAPS and other b/marks said my frames were lower with the 690 but the actual experience was the opposite - finally I experienced MGPU as I imagined it should be. Sure it still crashes now and again, BF3 was a bitch using both GPUs on the 690 but when it works it really works. So MGPU works on the NV side, not perfectly and sometimes it's downright hair-pulling but it really works. From my experience only a few moons ago, Crossfire still needs a lot of work. I really hope this new driver set you all talk about ' coming this June/July' does the trick. I honestly believe AMD has the right h/ware, they just need to deliver with the software, make things right.
 
ivansoze1 said:
One thing you should keep in mind is that people who can afford a Titan, or 2, more than likely are after the best gaming experience possible, brands mean nothing when it comes to loyalty(when is a brand loyal to us consumers?) and are likely to have tried ATI/AMD Crossfire but for various reasons rejected it. I have bought and returned 3 AMD cards since I got my 680 - yes, I tried 2 card, then 3 card Crossfire and it worked as well as SLI did in 2008. Then I bought a 690 and was shocked @ the difference. Yes, FRAPS and other b/marks said my frames were lower with the 690 but the actual experience was the opposite - finally I experienced MGPU as I imagined it should be. Sure it still crashes now and again, BF3 was a bitch using both GPUs on the 690 but when it works it really works. So MGPU works on the NV side, not perfectly and sometimes it's downright hair-pulling but it really works. From my experience only a few moons ago, Crossfire still needs a lot of work. I really hope this new driver set you all talk about ' coming this June/July' does the trick. I honestly believe AMD has the right h/ware, they just need to deliver with the software, make things right.
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Absolutely, people who can afford $2,000 on video cards are most likely after the best gaming experience possible. However the vast majority of people reading reviews are then taking the logical leap that two Titans are the best way of spending those $2,000. People are not doubting - they are seeing data which often reinforces their own opinion and then making a buying decision. Most consumers are unable to cast aside their preferences and judge the setups available to them currently in a dispassionate and unbiased manner.

Bringing up the past when it comes to technology is also quite silly. It's like buying an AMD processor now because you loved your Athlon 64+ back in the day. It's entirely your right, but currently Intel has a winner in the 3750K - key word "currently". Applying that example to video cards, if you're passing up on Crossfire due to a 2008 experience, you could be equally f-ing yourself over. Does the fact that 2008 Crossfire tech sucked mean your gaming experience will be worse TODAY? Obviously not. The only constant in the tech industry is change, not stability.

I'm not saying that Crossfire is the way to go, but if you have $2,000 to spend on GPU's and you did not try out both setups for yourself and you're going off of heresay and conjecture, then you may be getting a less satisfying gaming experience for those $2,000. Possibly, you could have spent less than $2,000 for a similar experience... or maybe not.

My point is, if you haven't tried both AND you're unable to completely cast aside your biases in your pursuit of the best way to spend those $2,000, you're making an unintelligent purchasing decision. That should be obvious, too bad it doesn't seem to be for most.
 
I have a Titan now and after trying everything else there is. 6x7970, 4x7950, 670's, 680's, 690, 660's, the Titan was the best for my gaming experience overall. It IS overpriced for the hardware you recieve, but it currently occupies the sweet spot between the flagship single cards (680, 7970) and the dual GPU cards and setups. I don't mind the price so much because it does exactly what I want it to do, quietly and without and fuss of overclocking or flashing BIOS.


That's_Corporate said:
Stuff.
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I doubt he was trying out cards from 2008 after he got his 680 based on re-reading what he said.

ivansoze1 said:
I have bought and returned 3 AMD cards since I got my 680 - yes, I tried 2 card, then 3 card Crossfire and it worked as well as SLI did in 2008.
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Great review, very useful as I am planning a multi-monitor gaming setup after I move. The power draw from the AMD card is crazy! Going to need some good ventilation to deal with the heat produced.
 
Well single 7990 is slower than 2 7970 but what if people have money and run 2 7990 instead? that would be beast lol
 
yes!asian! said:
Well single 7990 is slower than 2 7970 but what if people have money and run 2 7990 instead? that would be beast lol
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Too many heat issues. Toms did an article on it. They have a list of boutique system builders who won't even do it b/c of all the problems. If you were going to go down that road you would have to use water. Not too mention SLI titans would probably be a smoother experience. Even 780's for that matter.
 
^ or open air case with insane push/pull, but not many go for that in the high end. Guess if you're gonna spend $2000 on videocards, WC or phase change seem cheaper
 
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