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prad.de rates this as very good (bought the review)

I understand it´s an update of the PA but now the overdrive is programmable from 0-100 and the pwm is very high (>9Khz) so sensitivity will not be a problem

however there are close to no other reviews and details around, was announced back in january but it started surfacing on distribution only now

what do you guys make of this ?
 
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ninogui said:
prad.de rates this as very good (bought the review)

I understand it´s an update of the PA but now the overdrive is programmable from 0-100 and the pwm is very high (>9Khz) so sensitivity will not be a problem

however there are close to no other reviews and details around, was announced back in january but it started surfacing on distribution only now

what do you guys make of this ?
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What about backlight bleeding? On the PA248Q it was horrible (I bought 2 PA248Q and send them back, now I have an Eizo EV2436W with ZERO backlight bleed). And is the PB248Q still using a 6-bit panel with advanced FRC?
 
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neither is specifically stated so I don´t know
color space is 99.7 rgb and 78% adobe so I´m nota sure if this means true 8bit or 6bit+frc
good thing also is overdrive can be set from 0-100 in 20 steps and over 9khz pwm so both those are way above any other display on this price range (or any range probably)

thing is on prad tests the pa248q gets only a satisfactory rating and the pb248q gets a very good which is 2 ratings up so that must mean something

I am torn between the eizo ev2436 and this one so I´m trying to get more reviews and opinions, advantage temporarily goes to the asus for slightly lower pricing, 4 ports usb3, full range of inputs and a few other gimmicks but that will not be a deciding factor

end of next week I will have the chance to quickly evaluate one on the shop so if you have suggestions for how to test backlight bleed I will be glad to follow through
user manual is a bit sparse (maybe first rev) but can be downloaded at
http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PB248Q/#support_Download
and overall specs look promising, with the addition of both clock and phase focus settings
still to find out the frequency capabilities on all resolutions and check if it can run slightly higher than 60hz

why don´t you go ahead and purchase the review for 2.5 euros afterwards we have something to comment on ? would be nice
 
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I too am torn between this screen and the ev2436. I purchased the prad review, which was basically glowing. 99% coverage of rgb, contrast over 1100:1, low response times and input lag, good greyscale and shadow detail. Uniformity wasnt perfect, but was more than acceptable they on their copy. Im torn now, maybe i should get it?
 
ninogui - I am in a very similar situation, albeit I am choosing between Asus PB248Q and NEC EA244WMi.

Do you happen to know or, could you please let us know when you have a chance to see the monitor, what is the anti-glare coating on the PB248Q ? I.e. is it heavy, like on Eizo EV2436, or is it light, like on NEC EA244WMi?

Thank you so much for your help!
 
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ninogui - I am in a very similar situation, albeit I am choosing between Asus PB248Q and NEC EA244WMi.

Do you happen to know or, could you please let us know when you have a chance to see the monitor, what is the anti-glare coating on the PB248Q ? I.e. is it heavy, like on Eizo EV2436, or is it light, like on NEC EA244WMi?

Thank you so much for your help!
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have no idea on the glare and the asus gallery doesn´t help. These days companies are rolling out displays like pop corn they don´t even care on proper marketing any more.

My bet is a light coating because that´s what the family brothers have (pa248q, pa249q) although personally I would prefer light glow coating (closer to crt appearance)
I am waiting on prad´s reply to my questions including panel maker, 8bit or 6+frc highest refresh rate etc

So far I am impressed (more than with both nec or eizo´s) but my eyes are not easily fooled (crt pun intended) so I´ll test drive it for a few minutes or until the shop owner throws me out lol
Unfortunately cannot take a look to either one nec or eizo not locally available in physical shops
In the end if I´m not happy I´ll just pick a local mitsubishi 2060u for 40 euros to replace my aging diamond plus 200 and that´s that. Its has happened before once so I won´t be surprise if I end up on that route because mostly LCD tech still fails to impress me
 
ninogui, can you tell us if prad found >9kHz PWM at all brightness levels, or if they found PWM only below a certain percent brightness?

I remember tftcentral found ~9kHz PWM on the Dell 2413 when set to less than 20% brightness and no PWM at 20% or above (link). I'm wondering if the PB248Q is similar.
 
It is not very clear on the review, unfortunately this particular review looks like a beta one because it is not so filled with info like most others, hope they fill in more details before going public (I am not going to wait of course), only thing I can assume from what is said and comparing the graphic with some other display´s graphic is on full brightness there´s no pwm and on all other settings it is at 9,4khz

So from my stand point it is negligible
 
just to add further confusion to your decision making:

Asus PA249Q was announced and said to be available from this month, it's unclear to me if there is any difference compared to the PB248Q.
 
Hi IanM,

The "9" is a wide-gamut monitor, while the "8" covers the typical sRGB space. According to the specs you linked the 9 also has a 12 bit LUT. Asus doesn't mention the LUT for the 8. I would expect the 9 to cost ~$100-150 more than the 8.
 
that makes sense, I can't actually get the Asus spec compare thing to work at all now, but I don't think the gamut is listed on the spec page anyway so my fault for not reading the features page first
 
ninogui - I shall be waiting impatiently until your report from the visit in the store! :) Just please remember to let us all know about the antiglare coating!

My ultimate decision will be simple: if it is light, get the Asus. If it is heavy (like U2410 or EV2436WFS), get the NEC. True - not the best options but... well...
 
Ok I will report back no probl

However I have read somewhere on prad forums it seems to be a medium antiglare coating (meaning not light and not hard)

Anyway I won´t get my hopes too high. I keep on coming back to try lcd´s and in the end get disappointed on image quality/black levels/contrast/response time/etc going back to crt and letting the urge sleep for a couple more years. Have done at least 4 times for the past 10 years, maybe (although sincerely hoped for not) I will probably still keep in not moving to lcd while I am still able to get a good 2th hand 22" crt.
No wonder there are so many forums, reviews and help requests. Seems everyone is looking for a best price reasonable lcd display and no one is able to find it (but people still try all the time that´s kinda funny/tragic too lol). Technology is just not up to par yet. Strengths of one particular display are weaknesses on the other and so forth.
Adding to that sense of frustration seems quality control is going from bad to worse (lots of people complaining on eizo ev2436 with up to 4 display swaps with def problems as example, if that happened some years ago eizo engineer department would commit group hara kiri) or still using pwm (nec ea244)

Oled is around the corner but scarce availability and very high price so a few more years again will be needed, if ever

Also can´t forget the display makers can only go as far as the panel makers go, there are presently not even half a dozen panel makers (au, lg, samsung, etc) with a few variations on models and that´s it, then the display maker tries to circumvent panels limitations with additional electronics, succeeding in some fields but failing in others, and so the table dance goes on
 
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an update

One other local shop has the asus pb248q in stock. They let me buy it and if for any reason I decide I don´t like it they can take it back (pristine boxed condition of course) full refund no questions asked (cheers for local physical shops)

So I guess I´ll drive down town and get it there´s the labor holiday on the 1th May so I´ll have a full day or two to mess with it and make my decision

I will also apply an icc profile that I got from reviewers (thks guys) although not made for that specific unit it will be closer to ideal than none. Hope I am not disclosing too much but incidentally according to their reviewers the pb factory settings are quite good already (factory srgb got one star, after calibration got two), gamma curve is close to ideal in the whole range-after cal closely follows the ideal curve and deltac is quite low too both cal or uncal. All this on 99,7 rgb gamut and with no lowered contrast (1100-1200 range) after calibration its a feat in itself, and the cherry on top of 5,9/6ms latency and a liveable >9kHz pwm . Brightness distribution seems to be not so good, could be leading to some backlight bleed someone was talking about earlier maybe typical of asus proart´s

If only they made it glossy! or an option like the koreans where you can choose to buy matte or glossy. Remains to be seen if I can live with a matte anti glare (apparently medium) display or not

Anyone experienced with asus PA and PB (or anyone else) would like me to look for specific issues or things to check ?
please go ahead tell me I´ll be glad to do it
 
I'm also very interested in the anti-glare coating, as theriel asked. So far it seems there are 3 current 1920x1200 monitors with semi-glossy coating: the nec ea244wmi, the samsung 850 one, and the later revision of HP zr2440w. I'm in the market, and I also want to get a semi-glossy one.

Also, is this thing even LED with the backlighting? It doesn't seem to mention in the specs. Just curious.
 
Subscribed...I'm in the market for the exact same thing - good quality 24" 1920x1200 with only a very light AG coating. While I love my 27", I just need something a little bit easier to move around.
 
did Prad do a test of the latency and pixel response in the early review?
 
Here´s an update

First impressions are very positive. In fact higher than expected. Not one single dead pixel. I would rate coating as medium matte (opposite to light or hard) so it´s perfectly livable. Coming from crt I would have guessed I could only accept glossy or semi glossy but I was wrong. White is a perfect white, not yellowish or reddish (out of the box)

Am in the process of proceeding to an initial burn of the screen with a swipe of rgb full screen slides when not using the pc. Yes I do believe in screen burning, it will help in consistency of decay and avoid some initial logo/fixed areas burning as all these screens are a bit sensible in the first couple hundred hours (much more care should be taken on plasma screens but I apply same principle here)

All picture modes seems quite good but I´d rather stick with one of the user for full control. Entered the available calibrated icc profile for user mode 1 and ran the windows color management calibration utility to fine tuning the gamma, brightness and contrast (gamma was set lower than default, red color channel was set 3 notches down from max)

Yes it has a slight full black screen backlight bleed more noticeable on the right lower corner but nowhere near what I´ve seen here on forum photo samples or youtube from other brands either in ips or tn. Good thing is I can turn the brightness all the way down to 0 (contrast at 75) and the BLB is kept to a minimum. This can be done because the pwm rate is soo high (+- 9.4kHz) even at brightness 0 you will not notice it and that´s a very good thing (compared to most others)

Ran some simple lagoom tests. All contrast squares are visible, the grey swipe and colors swipe is almost perfect with no banding, panel is rated for 99,7% rgb coverage. According to the lagoom flicker test best setting here is at 60 (meaning level 3 out of 5) but that can go lower for the best movie watching experience.

Watched a bit "hugo" and "batman begins" because they are very low light / grey / contrasted movies. The apparent contrast ratio is impressive. Hair shades can be seen against a dark background while the whites are still whites. Color merging at the edges is ok too.

Regarding latency and pixel response. prad rates this at overdrive level 3 out of 5 as black to white 14ms, gray is 9,8, average 12,4. Overdrive can go up 2 additional levels for a 20% reduction but surely overshoot will be noticeable. Latency was measured at a minimum of 5,1ms, average 5,9 (on overdrive level 5 of 5). This is almost tn territory.

Other added values: base is solid with no wobble, tilt height and rotation, vesa holes, has a full range of inputs (all of them - dp, dvi, vga, hdmi) and cables (less the hdmi), a 4 port usb 3 hub, power button light can be switched off and a tiny button joystick for menu functions. Has a grid alignment overlay (with programmable color) for sampling pages and photos (a4, letter, 3x5 etc)

One thing I didn´t like is menu button access laid out vertically on the side. Should be the same but laid out horizontally down below, meaning you can get your arms tired while running the menu. Also button have no lights whatsoever. This is a minor thing but could have been better

Btw differences to the upcoming PA249Q:
- Has wide gamut / adobe colorspace
- a second input PIP
- more grid overlays (full screen cms and inches, pb is a generic grid)
- no overdrive option

I´d rather have overdrive control than wide gamut so I´m happy as it is. I think this PB will be a keeper! this display is coming under the radar on most sites reviewers and forums and that´s disappointing given its perceived qualities so far

On my next post I will take some photos and movies including a rgb slide swipe, all modes and movie samples, backlight bleed etc if anyone wishes me to sample a specific photo link it here for download I will do it no problem
 
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First impressions are very positive...
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Nice to hear, I think the biggest concern of mine with Asus is the overall quality and number of times I read about bad uniformity and bleed, sometimes it seems like they get LG's leftovers.
 
Correct that´s why It´s known as medium matte coating. As far as I´m concerned its acceptable.

So here´s some samples for you to download if you feel up to it. There´s some single photos and zip files - 182 and 83MB. movie files are 292, 101 and 117MB

Camera used was a panasonic lumix gf3 with aperture 3,5 at about 30cm distance from screen, shutter speed as per described. Display was set to user1 with icc profile calibrated from prad, red gain slightly lowered (5%), brightness 0 contrast 75 (my perceived preference), unless otherwise specified. All other modes standard, srgb, scenery, theater and user2 where reset to their factory values.

backlight bleed test
these where set to iso 160, 2048x1536

1/250s
https://mega.co.nz/#!a9ZFRLxD!Wh1ek0tTY2rXibCQhBHCeiIBZjMdEp03lpgCEYRuaco

1/125s
https://mega.co.nz/#!L5AXDJ5L!ItlVZAnh258q3--fkT4hYEvn9iEHiXLuP1psVKzM3lE

1/60s
https://mega.co.nz/#!zhgiwYoL!ca-qr08GlOBcHjGu3vl042l5Da4SWIw3G5opjr80cjM

1s
https://mega.co.nz/#!Dx4x1QZD!M765A2HiAMSSW979MKlvjmRUgrY4mJpNv2Iknxp1v1Q
note: 1 second exposure is marginal as most might know, but it´s included as reference

On the next set of photos (two zip files for convenience) you might find some meshing and some color bar frequency oscillation this is overlap frequency with the camera and your eyes won´t notice this when looking at the display. concentrate on the color range and contrast

https://mega.co.nz/#!Dp41xT6a!MB0fukBwqbCiG7c7B5tqcgESQVt0htCJ9AJn9mtA5hA
notes: iso 3200, 1/125s exposure. Sample photos of movies brave (for cartoon/manufactured colors perception) and hugo (for the low light high contrast palette)
photos 551 to 556, 557 to 562 showing modes in order standard, srgb, scenery, theater, user1 (icc profile calibrated from prad), user2
photos 577, 579 iso 6400.
All photos exposure time tuned when needed to delta 0

one more set of photos
https://mega.co.nz/#!q9xE2BRY!EZIHHRQoWHj3uOWHV5zV1Vf74gse0uo8rd8X9GD9t48
notes: on all photos iso 800, exposure time tuned when needed to delta 0

now some game and movies. Again when meshing appears as well as pink / blue color stripes bear in mind you will not see it that´s the camera behavior

https://mega.co.nz/#!G8JTRARD!ESNnP0Tf2HR9Pi5EQeq_-lQQya8AjXUKdjWCxEoxuuA
biosh. infinite run, overdrive at 3 out of 5

https://mega.co.nz/#!28w2mBqJ!Z8rZrUTmdtoXvS5MWHWEyDrOiG8XMQHRHYi4kRqQti0
prometh sample, kmplayer/hali renderer, 1920x800, mkv x264, 23,796 fps, yuv. display overdrive set to 1 out of 5. this sample show a mix of cgi and fast moving action on screen with higher than average contrast

https://mega.co.nz/#!b4IhBZAa!NHsCuHDDt4Cx83xGFs-HuXiO3hRDGoTR6WWOVDYXhaM
batm begins, 1280x720, mkv x264, 30 fps, yuv. overdrive 1 out of 5. this sample shows how the display resolves a very limited pallete of colors based on black, blue and grey

So I think this all basically speaks for itself. Am very pleased with the perceived contrast and colors. Fast panning and movement tearing in fast action movie and games is minimum and you have 5 levels plus 0 of pixel overdrive to mess with.
Of course calibrating this particular set would be ideal but I don´t have a colorimeter.
At least I will try to have lagom determine my contrast ratios, but that´s another post later on

if you have trouble dloading the sets let me know
 
I'm in the same boat. I want a display that's great for gaming and I want the screen real estate for programming. It's just hard to commit to a 27" where for every favorable review I read there is a bad one concerning motion blur, response time etc... Until I get a new place, I can not commit to a triple 1920 X1200 display set up so I was hoping for a 27" for now. I almost bought the Asus at Tiger Direct but bailed out.

I dislike 1080P displays so much and I'm not feeling the 3 1080P 120hz Lightboost displays either. I may not notice it in games much (playing Mass Effect 3 right now) but when I'm investing 650+ I can't help but nitpick.

I wish they made 120hz 27 inch 1440P displays. :(
 
Thank you very much ninogui - great to hear that your experience has been positive so far!

Given that I have mostly worked on glossy screens, could you tell me, from your own experience - do you think it would be a big nuisance to move to a "medium - matte" screen, like PB248Q? For instance, do you find the grain really evident and annoying in word documents or while surfing the Internet? Or you actually have to be very close to the monitor for it to be a problem?

The anti-glare is the only argument for me getting the NEC but, given PRAD's very positive review and your own experience, it seems like PB248Q is a significantly better choice... with the coating being the only disadvantage.

Cheers for all your help!
 
theriel

coming from a 22" diamondtron crt (last week only, so you see I took many years to surrender) surprisingly I found the coating perfectly acceptable. I don´t really noticed much grainning at all, I don´t notice any over the top typical ips glow either. You really have to be close to notice anything. For day to day desktop use I set the display to 1440x900 as it´s easier to read and work on. The scaling is very good so there´s no down to it

One common mistake is people rushing to buy 27" displays and then standing 30 cms from the screen. Everything will look much worse than on a 24" or 22" display. I found the 24" ideal for myself because I am standing at aprox 80cm from the display so I am at about the 1.5x distance related to the display diagonal length (display = 58cm real screen diagonal). This is a rule of thumb known for many years and still to be applied in generic fashion. Any closer than that is just asking for trouble regarding brightness, luminance, coating and screen evenness perception

Another common mistake is people picking adobe or wide gamut displays thinking they will have improved colors on most modes. That is not what happens, much the opposite. For most usage except professional photo editing and publishing the cons will prevail over the benefits. This is covered in many online articles. Colors will become too saturated and unreal unless you enter SRBG mode (if available), and if you do in the end you have just one mode to mess about and probably with not all the programmable options available as they are in user modes. So I´d much rather have a closer to full SRGB on all modes display with no percepted color banding than a limping full adobe gamut display

I sincerely think these are not second rate LG panels, much the opposite my felling is they are hand picked ones, otherwise reviews from all over the place would reflect that (and they do not, much the opposite in fact, lg branded lcd´s rarely get a higher than good rating, if any)

If I can find a slightly (not unnerving annoying) annoying thing is the slightly higher back light bleed on the right lower corner. Again as said before because there are so many fine tuning options to begin with the main brightness setting can be lowered to zero while maintaining good levels of contrast and not showing any pwm scintillation to my eyes (a common assle on most displays including the nec 244, not the eizo 2436). This is further reduced if I rotate the display horizontally off center by about 5 degrees so that I am a bit more centered towards the bleed area. After a couple of days it´s not an issue anymore. After a couple of months probably the screen burn/pixel decay will have this minimized further still
Of course all this is a bit subjective but I think myself as quite demanding because I spend an avg of 6-8 hours a day in front of a display for so many years now

Still to be known is what panels and specs this is using. For the time being I don´t feel like opening it (still sampling and still on the time window where I can take it back), the russian overclock.ru site equates most of these displays to be the LG 6 bit+drc e-ips but the czech site states the new pa249q to be ah-ips so there´s still some confusion. Not sure if all PB series are 6bit+frc or 8bit and all PA series 8bit+frc
If it´s just 6bit+frc its a good implementation because according to prad it covers 99.7% of srgb with close to no color banding, and there are not many (if any!) 6bit+frc doing this. If its a pure 8bit then it´s understandable

I´ll be glad if anyone can uncover some more details, I can´t find much more besides the prad review. I even asked them some more details but got no reply, maybe no one over there is wanting to get inside the panel guts, I feel their review was kind of a rushed one missing many of the details we care about (or the reviewers woke up on the wrong side of bed that day) proof of that is they got to a very good rating on 8 pages while on the eizo 2436 they got to it on a 12 page spread, contrary to the czech and russian sites reviews that delve into every bit of detail

My panel was built in january 2013 like most of the available ones, we are in may now can´t really understand why there not much more deep info on this, maybe they just didn´t send them to reviewers so it is going (unfortunately) under the radar for the most part
 
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Additionally this is the info returned by monitor asset manager utility

Model name............... PB248
Windows description...... Generic PnP Monitor PB248
Manufacturer............. Asus
Plug and Play ID......... ACI24A3
Serial number............ D1LMQS058002
Manufacture date......... 2013, ISO week 2
Filter driver............ Monitor
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EDID revision............ 1.4
Input signal type........ Digital (DisplayPort)
Color bit depth.......... 8 bits per primary color
Color encoding formats... RGB 4:4:4, YCrCb 4:4:4, YCrCb 4:2:2
Screen size.............. 520 x 320 mm (24,0 in)
Power management......... Active off/sleep
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Unknown - 0x00)
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DDC/CI................... Supported
MCCS revison............. 2.1
Display technology....... TFT
Controller............... RealTek 0x2486
Firmware revision........ 0.1
Firmware flags........... 0x006245CC
Active power on time..... 23 hours
Power consumption........ 6,55 kWh
Current frequency........ 55,90kHz, 59,80Hz

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2,20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,653 - Ry 0,332
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,304 - Gy 0,633
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,150 - By 0,064
White point (default).... Wx 0,313 - Wy 0,329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 30-83kHz
Vertical scan range...... 50-61Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1200p at 60Hz (16:10)
Modeline............... "1920x1200" 154,000 1920 1968 2000 2080 1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600p at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 960p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 1200p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD

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Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
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Judging by the realtek controller if this assumption is right (not sure) that would mean it´s the same panel as the dell 2412m (lg panel LM240WU8-SLA2)
If it is then it is 6bit+frc
Still confusing if this is a LG panel according to
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/monitor_panel_parts.htm
No LG panel on 6bit+frc reaches 99.7% SRGB coverage..

Again this is a need to verify info if any one can chime in you´re welcome
 
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Thanks for the first-hand experience ninogui! I actually bought the Asus PA248Q and returned both units (the initial and replacement) because I couldn't stand the backlight bleeding in a low-light dark-background environment. I loved everything about the monitor except for this issue. I'm very interested in this PB248Q if it is indeed the upgraded version of the PA248Q. I'll definitely be following this thread.

Also is this monitor currently available in the US? I searched the major online retailers (Newegg, Amazon, TD, Google Shopping) and have had no success. If you google PB248Q the first link is Asus's own "Global" product page for the monitor, but if you change the region to "United States", the PB248Q can no longer be found through the IPS or 1920x1200 filters.. I really hope it is coming to the US as I feel this will be my next monitor to replace my current 20" LG 1680x1050 =).
 
PA249B is wide gamut display
Nothing to do with PB series these are srgb
have no idea if they will be available in the US! how could I ? lol
 
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by wide gamut displays do you mean Adobe RGB? because the PA248Q is only sRGB but the PA249Q is capable of Adobe RGB. So the difference between (from what I've gathered) the PA248Q and PB248Q is that the overdrive can be adjusted in smaller increments, higher pwm frequency and POSSIBLY better binning?

I'm not a professional user by any means, I just want a nice 1920x1200 display for work (spreadsheets), movie watching, and gaming. I would have kept the two PA248Q that I bought but was put off by the terrible backlight bleeding. I'm hoping that if these PB248Q are "hand-picked" as mentioned somewhere in this thread, then hopefully I'll be more satisfied and can at least tolerate the bleeding :D.
 
On paper is there much of a difference between the PB248Q and PA248Q or will it be a similar lottery with regards to backlight bleeding et all ? The PA248Q is on sale these days for nearly 3/5 the price of the PB248Q
 
I really can´t say because I never had the pa248q
my guideline was prad.de considering the pa248 satisfactory and the pb248 very good (2 notches up), overall surpassing a few like the nec 244 and on level with the eizo 2436 with some other benefits so there´s a clear difference I would say

Mine´s perfectly acceptable it is running with a calibrated profile and 0 brightness so backlight unevenness is kept to a minimum, colors are great and there´s no color bleed, contrast is close to 1200, that´s good enough for me

for details go ahead and buy the review its a well spent 2,5 euros
 
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I am torn between this ASUS and the EIZO EV2436.

I find the ASUS HDMI port really useful but the "flickering free" and "automatic brightness" features of the EIZO are also interesting to me for the eyestrain.

Here in Italy the PB248Q costs less (400€) than the EV2436 (460€).

Anyone can help me with the decision?
Thank you!
 
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@Vinxi

I also hesitate between those two models..

If I compare the Prad reviews, Eizo 2436 seems to have a better brightness distribution, image homogeneity and interpolation (but they are good in Asus). Whereas the Asus has a better color factory setting and is more effective for gaming and video.

About video Asus is able to run at 50hz but not Eizo.
Asus has a "medium" AG coating, Eizo an "hard" one.
About "flickering" Asus had an high frequency PWM at every level of brightness. About Eizo, some people reported that "flicker-free" is always for > 20% brightness.

I am also seduced by some Eizo features like auto-ajust of brightness level to prevent eye fatigue. But I don't know if these technologies really works or if it's more "marketing".
 
Vinxi said:
I am torn between this ASUS and the EIZO EV2436.

I find the ASUS HDMI port really useful but the "flickering free" and "automatic brightness" features of the EIZO are also interesting to me for the eyestrain.

Here in Italy the PB248Q costs less (400€) than the EV2436 (460€).

Anyone can help me with the decision?
Thank you!
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Depends what you want the monitor for. The Asus seems to be the better choice for gaming thanks to its response time of 12.4 ms (vs. 16.8 ms). But: Interpolation is a little better on the Eizo. The only major difference I can see according to prad.de's review is that the Eizo provides a better brightness distribution.

Also consider that the Asus has a USB 3.0 hub, whereas the Eizo only comes with USB 2.0. Eizo offers three years of warranty, Asus only three.

Prad.de's EV2436WFS review:

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-eizo-ev2436wfs-bk.html

Comparing the "Fazit" (i.e. conclusion) of those two might help:

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-eizo-ev2436wfs-bk-teil12.html#Fazit
 
Thank you guys.

Comparing the "Fazit" I don't think there are major differences for me as I would use it for programming/gaming/movies.

I find the Asus connectivity superior because I work at home and the HDMI could make the difference for connecting consoles or other devices.

If you say that I don't have to worry about the flickering/pwm/eyestrain for the Asus, I think I'll choose it.
 
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I think you'll be happy with either monitor. I have the ev2436 and it also is a nice display. Imho the hype against the ag-coating is unfair, because though visible I don't see it at normal viewing distance.

Like you, pwm and connectivity were important factors in choosing. I needed vga for my notebook.
 
in the end its the same lg panel with different implementations

Personally I went for the asus because it seemed to succeed in a higher static contrast, being able to drive down to 0 brightness not loosing contrast, the joystick which is great for changing params, the inputs and usb as well as the lower price tag
 
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