Will the iPhone 5S be enough to compete against S4, One, N5 ?

I think one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the iPhone is just the general fluidity in the device. When you're scroll through everything it is so butter smooth. From using web browsing or maps app. It seems that no matter how powerful of a processor that android has, there is always some choppiness and I just get those little nuances where an app force closes out and I have to reopen it. If android had that "fluidity" and less little bugs in the OS I would be all over it. Screen size isn't a huge deal for me, I just want a good resolution and clear text to read. But I only text, phone, browse on my device anyways.


The iPhone 5 is screaming fast, the 4S is still really fast too. I think they'll hold up to android no problem spec wise, or even outperform it again as it usually has (benchmarks, I know real world performance make it trivial). It's just going to depend on how strong Samsung can market with the S4 and the changes iOS 7 is going to bring.
 
If they do a 5S. I will be skipping it as I will be skipping the Galaxy S4. I have been very very satisfied with the iPhone 5, I couldnt say the same about 99% of the Android phones I have had and I have had many. The single Android phone that I like about as much as the iPhone 5 is the Note 2. I might get a Note 3 but if its more like the S4 minor update then I will skip it too and may get the next Nexus Phone or a Windows Phone we will have to see.
 
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I really hope they dont just dont a 5S with the iphone. I really enjoy buying new phones, because I like playing around with them. I have had every iPhone except for the 4S and right now I think the iPhone is super solid and I use it as my personal phone but the OS needs a big refresh. The phone itself I want a 4.5" screen, I have used phones of all sizes and 4.5" is the best for me. Hardware wise, the processors in my Note 2 and iPhone 5 are so damn fast that it really doesnt matter anymore because everything loads quickly, there isnt any lag anymore so faster CPU and more RAM is irrelevant to me. What I want is lighter, thinner, more durable, slightly larger high res display, with insane battery life.
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But with the iPhone 5 you are going to get any new features iOS 7 brings. It's really not that big of a deal.
 
Here is my two cents on Apple vs Android:

Apple: Great for older people and people who just use Instagram
Android: Much more customizable, flexable, and complex.

The phones power isn't really relative anymoe. They are all similar is power nowadays.
I had an Iphone 4 for two years and quickly grew bored of it because you couldn't do that much with it. Sure, the apps are generally more polished. But there is a lot of great content on google play now too.
 
dudejoe4 said:
Here is my two cents on Apple vs Android:

Apple: Great for older people and people who just use Instagram
Android: Much more customizable, flexable, and complex.

The phones power isn't really relative anymoe. They are all similar is power nowadays.
I had an Iphone 4 for two years and quickly grew bored of it because you couldn't do that much with it. Sure, the apps are generally more polished. But there is a lot of great content on google play now too.
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:rolleyes:

If that is all you care about.

Different people have different needs. When i'm on a trip I enjoy gaming. The iOS platform and the iPhone 5 offer a better experience if one wants to game.
 
Xan433 said:
I think one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the iPhone is just the general fluidity in the device. When you're scroll through everything it is so butter smooth. From using web browsing or maps app. It seems that no matter how powerful of a processor that android has, there is always some choppiness and I just get those little nuances where an app force closes out and I have to reopen it. If android had that "fluidity" and less little bugs in the OS I would be all over it. Screen size isn't a huge deal for me, I just want a good resolution and clear text to read. But I only text, phone, browse on my device anyways.


The iPhone 5 is screaming fast, the 4S is still really fast too. I think they'll hold up to android no problem spec wise, or even outperform it again as it usually has (benchmarks, I know real world performance make it trivial). It's just going to depend on how strong Samsung can market with the S4 and the changes iOS 7 is going to bring.
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Nexus 4 stock 4.2.2 runs as smooth and as fast as the 4s I had. Much different experience than with my Galaxy S3 running stock TW. You don't notice the difference when you are using the S3, but when you use the Nexus 4 for a few days and then go back, it is pretty obvious. I go back and forth between the two as both have their positive points, but I don't go back to the 4s at all.

I wasn't overly impressed with the Nexus when I just played with one at a T-mobile store, but decided to pick one up to try out as a daily driver. Entirely different experience,iIf you set one up and use it for a week as your daily driver it really is an impressive phone/software combo.
 
No. The iphones have lost their...pazaaz. Personally, they don't feel as if there is really anything different about them when they are upgraded.
 
IMO the iPhone 5S will be great. Apple always stays up there in terms of performance without compromising battery life. I had both the GS3 and an iPhone 5 and ended up keeping the iPhone 5 as it was just better in many ways for me.

For people like me, the fact that the iPhone is 4" and still excellent hardware is reason enough to choose it. I can't stand the huge plastic Android phones personally.

Also people like me don't want a radical change to the phone or to the OS it already works so great for us. Why would I want to learn a significantly different system.

Lots of people always talk about how they are get "bored" by an iPhone or iOS. I don't think ill ever understand this. It's a cellphone, of course it's boring.

It rings, you take it out of your pocket to answer it, your call is over, it goes back in your pocket.

You want to find the location of a place or look up information about a place. You take it out of your pocket, fire up maps or a web browser and search. Find your result and it goes back into your pocket.

You have some time to pass, take out the phone and fire up a game, something or someone more important happens or shows up, it goes back in your pocket.

I want the phone to have as simple of a UI as possible. I don't want to spend time using the phone for no reason. All I want to do is the tasks I want to do. The last thing I want to do is waste time customizing things or tweaking things. I want my phone to be transparent to my life. It's there in an instant when I need it and then it's gone. I don't want to have to put a second more of my attention to my phone than needed.

All this notion comes from a guy who is extremely tech savvy. So no, the iPhone is not just for old people. I'm a 25 year old Software Engineer who much prefers iOS to Android because it's so much nicer to use. UI consistency does a ton for usability and Apple really pays attention to making the phone experience itself run smoothly and simply.
 
Iphones dont do many things I need from a smartphone. Its way behind for business features.
 
ocellaris said:
Like what?
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True split screen multi tasking


Multiple attachments on one email. ie business email i had to send which involved 1 pdf, 5 jpeg photos and a word doc .doc. with iphone youd have to apologize to business customer and send 3 seperate emails!

Handwriting recognition and other s pen features (note 2)

Accurate photoshop designing (note 2)

Pin point cutting (easy clipping) like cutting out a specific part of a document where it be part of a picture or other document. (Note 2)

Offline google maps.

Share to pretty much any app i.e. if i wanted to share this web page i get a choice of about 20 apps to share it to.

True file manager

NFC fast easy file/video transfer

Bigger screen for easier viewing

Use Android as a full computer with keyboard an mouse when connected to monitor/tv
 
Specwise here's what I think:

Apple iPhone 5 = Samsung Galaxy S4 > Nexus 5 > HTC One
 
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ItaliaFerrari said:
Specwise here's what I think:

Apple iPhone 5 = Samsung Galaxy S4 > Nexus 5 > HTC One
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Not sure one the One is ranked behind the S4 since its almost exactly the same phone. The Samsung has .3" screen size, 200mhz SoC, LPDDR3 over it. We don't even know the Nexus 5 yet :confused:
 
like many have said, there will always be a large amount of people that will buy simply because it's apple.

I for one though would switch back to apple in a heartbeat if they just caught up on screen size. I have the Galaxy s3 and just adore the screen size compared to the iphone 5.

Android os and the hardware vendors seem to give people what they want vs apple gives people what apple tells them they want.

It's a different logic but it does work. My old iphone 3gs felt so much more stable and solid compared to even a modern android imho. But I do think that logic is starting to hurt them a bit. I think it's time to branch out and give a little of what customers want.

Jobs is dead, it's ok to branch out a little.
 
I've been an iPhone fanboy since the 3GS. I like my 5, but feel the iPhone has plateaued as a platform. The 5 is what the 4 should have been. I hope the 6 looks more like the new HTC One than my 5 or I'll be looking to jump to something else.
 
Xan433 said:
I think one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the iPhone is just the general fluidity in the device. When you're scroll through everything it is so butter smooth. From using web browsing or maps app. It seems that no matter how powerful of a processor that android has, there is always some choppiness and I just get those little nuances where an app force closes out and I have to reopen it. If android had that "fluidity" and less little bugs in the OS I would be all over it. Screen size isn't a huge deal for me, I just want a good resolution and clear text to read. But I only text, phone, browse on my device anyways.


The iPhone 5 is screaming fast, the 4S is still really fast too. I think they'll hold up to android no problem spec wise, or even outperform it again as it usually has (benchmarks, I know real world performance make it trivial). It's just going to depend on how strong Samsung can market with the S4 and the changes iOS 7 is going to bring.
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You really need to get your hands on the nexus 4. It has the fluidity and lack of bugs that you say is keeping you from android. In my experience, its the garbage "skins" htc and the like use thay ruins it all. Touchwiz, sense, theyve all sucked for me. I cant speak for the newest touchwiz aka galaxy s4? I dont have high hopes for it though.
 
blahblahyoutoo said:
so the HTC has one of the fastest processors available and yet it's ranked last.
lol, sure guy. what does samsung pay per post these days?
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Am disappointed to see a question like that be directed to a poster.
 
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I don't like the idea of paying 300-600 dollars for a device that's only a marginal amount faster then it's predecessor.

If I want a 10% boost know what I do? I go into my system manager in droid -- and apply a 10% overclock for free. And I didn't have to give the ghost of steve jobs an HJ to get permission either.

I'm still using a Galaxy Nexus - and despite being "old" at this point it's still plenty fast to do anything and everything I need. Also, even after 6+ years, Apple and the people running it are in a constant battle with users over REAL control of the device you paid for and own.

How many millions of dollars have they spent locking down a device year after year (only to be defeated every time) when its obvious a LARGE amount of people want to be able to tinker with it?

Their approach of "sit down, shut up, and love what we tell you to love" just doesn't jive with me. After the original iphone and iphone 3g -- i jumped ship for more open waters.
 
Who cares about how fast the phone is. Number one concern is reliability. Whether you can be reached on an emergency or make an emergency call. Whether your battery on the phone would last long enough to do that. Everything else are bonuses. Of those things, Apple has a proven record on being able to do that well (aside from the iPhone 4 death grip.) It's web performance is great, games are superior, generally better developed apps, and very chick friendly (trust me - pua strategies).

I would have to say that you simply cannot stop bringing your paper note pads to meetings with an iPhone. A galaxy note 2 you can. That's my big attraction to it.
 
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I would have to say that you simply cannot stop bringing your paper note pads to meetings with an iPhone. A galaxy note 2 you can. That's my big attraction to it.
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That's the funny thing. Everyone I know, including Android users, just bring their laptops to meetings.

Phones are used for 24/7 work, but that does not require editing of "documents".
 
I have an S3 and my wife has an Iphone 5. I think IOS just works better and smoother than Android right now when I compare the two phones. Personally I will stay with Android though because of the bigger screen size. If Apple releases an iphone with at least a 5" screen I will switch back to Apple, but until then I struggle visually with that tiny 4" screen, at least for internet use. I'm 42 and I just can't use the Iphone 5 for internet without constantly making the picture bigger and scrolling all over the place and that is very annoying.
 
collegeboy69us said:
Also, even after 6+ years, Apple and the people running it are in a constant battle with users over REAL control of the device you paid for and own.

How many millions of dollars have they spent locking down a device year after year (only to be defeated every time) when its obvious a LARGE amount of people want to be able to tinker with it?
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I believe this is a failed assumption. I insist on being able to jailbreak and tinker with my iPhone. In fact, I refused to upgrade to a 5 until it was finally cracked with an untethered jailbreak.

However, my family, friends, coworkers and damn near everyone I interact with daily have no interest in jailbreaking their iPhones, iPads, iPods. They love seeing what my jailbroken 5 can do, but have never accepted my offers to jailbreak their devices. "No, no... I just want mine to work the way it does. I don't wanna do anything to mess it up" is the typical response I hear, even from those who are otherwise quite tech savvy.

I think the vast majority of iDevice users fall in that category. It's why Apple will continue to have a large, if not quite as large as in years past, following for their mobile products. For me, the day Apple succeeds in making the iPhone unjailbreakable will be my last with it.
 
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Most people buy Apple as a default choice or after looking at their friends/family and it is enough for their use. The funny thing is if they were ever introduced to Android by a knowledgeable person, they'd see just how limiting iOS really is. I have seen this happen personally with friends who had iPhones, switched to android and now don't want to go back.

It really is the power of the Apple marketing machine plus peer pressure, and the cool factor. But I do wish google would make it possible for everyone to get Android without bloat ware skins so people could see how good it really is. But Google doesn't care, and just because of the consistency in the user xperience as well as guaranteed support for a few years, apple can start to look attractive.
 
Zorachus said:
Saying all that, will that be enough for Apple to fend off the big contenders this year, and hold their ground ? Or by keeping the same iPhone 5 design, will sales slowly start to stale a little, and hurt them a bit ?
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Dude, the iPhone have been slipping in market share for a while now. I think the iPhone has been completely left behind. It's not innovative or cool anymore. Even a respected journalist for a major publication I read recently said that the iPhone is virtually unchanged since the first one.

http://news.yahoo.com/apple-warned-spice-iphone-5s-risk-becoming-boring-171056439.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...tten_boring_it_s_time_for_something_new_.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkam...y-device-but-cements-apples-dominance-anyway/

http://www.phonedog.com/2012/09/21/iphone-5-taller-prettier-thinner-and-boring/

And not to mention that the market, ever since the launch of the EVO 4G on Sprint, has been demanding bigger screen phones. The iPhone 5 tried to improve upon it, but how? They lengthened the screen so most apps and videos appeared letter-boxed, and then all you got was a extra row of icons. Not good enough, and I think the market speaks for itself. The iPhone went up in screen size 0.5" from 3.5" to 4.0" in 6 years time. The Evo 4G on Sprint released with a 4.3" screen back in June of 2010 (Over 3 years ago) which was the first phone in the country with a 4.0"+ screen.

The main people using iPhones are legacy users. Obviously not all are, but a large majority of iPhone users now are people who have had iPod touch devices and people who have always used iPhones.
In fact, a friend of mine just switched to a Nokia N920 and she couldn't be happier. And this was after many years of using iPhones. She loves it.

I had a iPhone 4S which I was heavily entrenched in. I had a bunch of great paid apps, and whatnot but the screen size made me sell it. I couldn't hold onto the phone. So I upgraded to a Galaxy S3 and haven't looked back since (except when I think back to playing Mortal Kombat 3 on the iPhone which was fun as hell). The App Store just wasn't enough to keep me and not to mention the whole interface bothered me. Just rows and rows up icons. The folder system, notifications, and especially sharing features in Android have far surpassed iPhone. Everything is so wonderfully synced and shared through Android that it's a dream and I can't see myself switching until I get a iPhone that has at least a 4.5" screen... but I doubt that'll happen any time soon if at all.
 
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zamardii said:
Dude, the iPhone have been slipping in market share for a while now. I think the iPhone has been completely left behind. It's not innovative or cool anymore. Even a respected journalist for a major publication I read recently said that the iPhone is virtually unchanged since the first one. And not to mention that the market, ever since the launch of the EVO 4G on Sprint, has been demanding bigger screen phones. The iPhone 5 tried to improve upon it, but how? They lengthened the screen so most apps and videos appeared letter-boxed, and then all you got was a extra row of icons. Not good enough, and I think the market speaks for itself. The main people using iPhones are legacy users. Obviously not all are, but the majority of iPhone users now are people who have had iPod touch devices from earlier and people who have always used iPhones.

In fact, a friend of mine just switched to a Nokia N920 and she couldn't be happier. And this was after many years of using iPhones. She loves it.
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Totally agree. I was shocked at the iPhone 5 release last year, when Apple had the opportunity to really blow us away with a nice 4.5" larger screen, all new design, and redone iOS, but all they gave us was a taller iPhone 4, thinner, and same old iOS pretty much unchanged. The iPhone 5, looks pretty much the same as the iPhone 4/4S, and iOS hasn't changed it's theme or style in years, if at all, since the beginning.

I know a ton of women, family and friends that were hardcore iPhone users for years, and lots of teenagers in the family, that were die hard iPhone users. Just over the holidays last year, all of them saying their next phone will not be another iPhone, said the screen is too small, and the OS looks outdated.

All of them said will go either Galaxy phone, or Windows 8 Phone this year, unless Apple release a larger screen iPhone 6, and they also said want widgets and other cool stuff on in their OS, they all said sick of the old app icon look of the iPhone being unchanged for years now.

Which brings me to the iPhone 5S, rumors point to it being the exact same size and style of the current iPhone 5, just faster and better hardware, but still the same small 4" screen. I just don't see how this 5S will sell ? If you already have an iPhone 5, almost no point whatsoever in upgrading to the 5S, will be pretty much the same as last years phone. And even if Apple finally updates and makes big changes in iOS7, the current iPhone 5 will also get that same update, again, no point going from an iPhone 5 to 5S.

Bottom line, Apple needs to release a larger screen iPhone, why don't they do that ? The market shows 4.7" and 5" screens being very popular, plus Widgets or Live Tiles also being very popular too.
 
MrCrispy said:
Most people buy Apple as a default choice or after looking at their friends/family and it is enough for their use. The funny thing is if they were ever introduced to Android by a knowledgeable person, they'd see just how limiting iOS really is. I have seen this happen personally with friends who had iPhones, switched to android and now don't want to go back.

It really is the power of the Apple marketing machine plus peer pressure, and the cool factor. But I do wish google would make it possible for everyone to get Android without bloat ware skins so people could see how good it really is. But Google doesn't care, and just because of the consistency in the user xperience as well as guaranteed support for a few years, apple can start to look attractive.
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I don't like this logical fallacy -- that people will "naturally" prefer Android if they're exposed to it.

Some will switch, for sure, but it's just as wrong a claim as when some Mac users insist that Windows users would immediately chuck their PCs if they could only use OS X for a short while. I know some people who actively prefer the iPhone, whether it's because of a straightforward UI, a better overall camera or a tendency to get all the good apps first. I use both platforms, and I can see the appeal to both.

Apple needs to step up its game, and there's hints it might at WWDC (in June) and beyond, but it's not nearly in the same rough state as BlackBerry or Microsoft.
 
I sure hope so, going from a S3 to an IPhone 5 was a big difference for me not having apps crash so much was my biggest factor. I'm going to pick up the GS4 ASAP I haven't given up on old Sammy
 
ocellaris said:
Apple needs a device with a bigger screen. I don't think iOS 7 needs to reinvent the wheel, however Apple will be hurting when every new Android phone is almost an inch bigger.
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I disagree. I dumped Android specifically for the reason that all of the powerful phones had a huge screen. I *want* a small screen and a top end phone, I don't want to walk around with something nearing the size of a small tablet in my pocket.

Personally when I buy a phone I look for:
  • ~4.0", high resolution, high DPI screen.
  • Top end mobile CPU.
  • Lots or RAM
  • Lots of Storage
 
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canna said:
I disagree. I dumped Android specifically for the reason that all of the powerful phones had a huge screen. I *want* a small screen and a top end phone, I don't want to walk around with something nearing the size of a small tablet in my pocket.

Personally when I buy a phone I look for:
  • ~4.0", high resolution, high DPI screen.
  • Top end mobile CPU.
  • Lots or RAM
  • Lots of Storage
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I am the same way, however I see people that were iPhone users for years switching to Android now for a larger screen. Adding more choices would serve Apple well.
 
It is tough, Apple needs to up its game to survive in the market. It is becoming extremely competitive with each passing day.
 
What Apple really need are widgets and Palm style cards... Size doesn't matter if you still have to click on Windows 95 style icons to see anything. iOS needs a makeover. I guess it'll look a lot like Samsung TouchWiz, cause that's how Samsung made it - use android, copy iOS, and allow widgets...
 
I think the iPhone 5S (if that's what it'll be) will still be viable but the question is: for how long? iOS is still relevant, Apple has a huge fan base, and for people that just want "something that works" it's still a great device. However, Samsung and other companies have come a long way from buggy Android software and mis-matched hardware. Technology has advanced a long long long way, and people are migrating towards wanting something new and innovative that Android and device makers are now able to offer. Apple went from being an industry leader to playing catch-up, and at a pretty fast pace. The grass for their cash cow is rapidly fading but I don't think they're worried just yet. It'll still come down to personal preference. But if the 5S (or even that's what they're releasing) is lackluster again like 5 was (OMG NEW ROW OF ICONS HORRY SHEET), Apple best be showing off other innovations in other market sectors or I think their stock is going to fall even harder.
 
Zorachus said:
Google does have an in-house problem with Samsung and their Galaxy line becoming so popular and mainstream. People know the "Galaxy" brand name over "Android" or "Droid" or "Nexus" now.

Today it's basically iPhone or Galaxy phone to most Joe and Jane Blows.

If for whatever reason Samsung went off on their own next year, with the Galaxy line, but not "Android" based, but still looked and worked just like their Galaxy Touchwiz phones do today, that would be killer for Google. Didn't Samsung buy out the top developers of Cyanogen CM ROM team a couple years ago ? They could be working on their own in-house Samsung OS ?
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They have plenty of control over android as it is so what would be the incentive to spend millions and risk their dominance hoping for adoption? If they made a new OS they would have no apps and be back to square one and for what? To pay less royalties to Google?


username00 said:
You really need to get your hands on the nexus 4. It has the fluidity and lack of bugs that you say is keeping you from android. In my experience, its the garbage "skins" htc and the like use thay ruins it all. Touchwiz, sense, theyve all sucked for me. I cant speak for the newest touchwiz aka galaxy s4? I dont have high hopes for it though.
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Thing is for years with android those third party "skins" where absolutely necessary. Pre 2.0 android was a butt ugly mess, 2.0+ was better but still ugly as hell it wasnt until 3/4+ android really started looking good.

So yeah android now looks good enough and has enough built in features we can go without but if you owned an android phone back in the cupcake, donut days senseUI was simply amazing.

That said, as a company with all the work you have in it and the loyal fanbase you have amassed with it (not so much touchwiz that i have seen but there are die hard sense lovers out there) it makes sense to keep it going and keep that uniqueness to your line of phones that would otherwise be the same as 900 other phones out there.
 
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