How Microsoft's Creative Director feels about consumers and always-on consoles.

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I don't understand how it's possible to be this out of touch with consumers. Seeing the direction Sony is going with the PS4 versus MS with the next-gen Xbox, I hope they crush them.
 
I would like to see the vacuum cleaners and mobile phones that can work without electricity and reception respectively. I can show him lots of consoles that can work without an Internet connection.

His analogies are horrible. A gaming console does not need an Internet connection to run.
 
Assuming it's not photoshopped, how is this not on Frontpage News?

Just wtf @ this idiot and anyone who supports him...
 
/facepalm

Those two guys were simply trolling each other on Twitter.
 
He responded with a Deal with it picture featuring Obama.

That either means: 1. He's extremely stupid, or 2. He was trolling the other guy.

He probably didn't expect it to go public, and when it did, of course he would make it private, seeing as how much backlash he's getting. It's often hard to tell true stupidity from sarcasm from trolling on the internet... and a few journalists picking select quotes can spin things however they want to get page hits.
 
I think there's a little confusion between always-on and always-connected. The electricity comment makes sense with the always-on being related to power and not internet.
 
Sigh.

More evidence that MS is going forward with this massively bad decision...
 
This has made reddit FP and is exploding on neogaf. This is the same douche who said 'F Halo' when he worked for Sony.

If this gets picked up my msnbc etc tomorrow it's going to be very bad PR for Microsoft and force them to make a statement.
 
Such a douche. So many things wrong with what he has said. It's like he's gerrymandering. It would take longer to explain to him how he's wrong, than to point out the actual reasons why the always online DRM is bad.
 
I was already planing on going PS4 not Nextbox this go around, and this just confirms it for me. What a turn off.
 
I always love the witty synonyms people come up with for products they don't like. :rolleyes:
 
So MS is really going through with it, huh?

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You know it's funny I was having a conversation about MS yesterday, we were discussing how if MS continues down the current path (Not fixing Windows 8, Anti-consumer Next Box) with no changes, they just might go down as a whole. The next 2 years should be very interesting(read:dramatic) for MS. How the mighty have fallen....
 
LeviathanZERO said:
So MS is really going through with it, huh?

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You know it's funny I was having a conversation about MS yesterday, we were discussing how if MS continues down the current path (Not fixing Windows 8, Anti-consumer Next Box) with no changes, they just might go down as a whole. The next 2 years should be very interesting(read:dramatic) for MS. How the mighty have fallen....
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There was a news article some time ago asking: Is Microsoft still relevant in this current market?

The argument was that given the state of mobile computing and the dominant lead of iOS and Android as a mobile OS and their app store, along with newer mobile OSes coming out, and the lack of market share from Windows Phone and the consumer backlash against Windows 8 and its UI, is Microsoft still a leader in the software market? Are they making the right choices for their products, for consumers, and the direction of the company?

Desktop processor companies such as AMD and Intel have already begun their shift towards mobile and power efficient processors to reflect market demand and market shift towards mobile computing. But, it's going to be an uphill climb for them going against the likes of Samsung, Apple, Qualcomm and other ARM-based manufacturers.

Microsoft has yet to make a significant dent in the Android and Apple iOS app marketplace. And, Windows Phone is still overshadowed by both Android and Apple devices in terms of market share.

It was an interesting article to read, and I wish I could find it again. It came out some time ago.

The question to ask now: Will Microsoft survive at this rate or can they adjust fast enough to remain relevant in both the PC software and mobile markets?

Given what might happen with the next console, is Microsoft making the right decisions in the best interests of the consumers or the best interests of the company? It's pretty difficult to do both, and most often the company will only choose one path.
 
octoberasian said:
There was a news article some time ago asking: Is Microsoft still relevant in this current market?

The argument was that given the state of mobile computing and the dominant lead of iOS and Android as a mobile OS and their app store, along with newer mobile OSes coming out, and the lack of market share from Windows Phone and the consumer backlash against Windows 8 and its UI, is Microsoft still a leader in the software market? Are they making the right choices for their products, for consumers, and the direction of the company?

Desktop processor companies such as AMD and Intel have already begun their shift towards mobile and power efficient processors to reflect market demand and market shift towards mobile computing. But, it's going to be an uphill climb for them going against the likes of Samsung, Apple, Qualcomm and other ARM-based manufacturers.

Microsoft has yet to make a significant dent in the Android and Apple iOS app marketplace. And, Windows Phone is still overshadowed by both Android and Apple devices in terms of market share.

It was an interesting article to read, and I wish I could find it again. It came out some time ago.

The question to ask now: Will Microsoft survive at this rate or can they adjust fast enough to remain relevant in both the PC software and mobile markets?

Given what might happen with the next console, is Microsoft making the right decisions in the best interests of the consumers or the best interests of the company? It's pretty difficult to do both, and most often the company will only choose one path.
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Pretty much.
Just dumbheaded marketing combined with anti-consumer misconceptions(they think they're not being anti-consumer....) is going to tank them.

MS can turn around.
It will involve sheading the arrogance that they are the always right, and consumers opinions dont matter. That evidenced by their "fix" for Windows 8, the Blue interface, which is really the same crap and fixes nothing. They really want to force the market. That is NOT how it works, and they will fail if they continue like this. It's the market that forces you to innovate, not the other way around. Ballmer needs to resign.
 
The thing is M$ is an American brand, even if the sales of x360's have been pretty good in Europe and throughout the world, they still don't have a foothold as strong as $ony. Some places are barely getting broadband internet, this is where M$ (posted earlier) is shooting itself in the foot.

Eventually ps3 sales will pass x360 and since the ps4 is slated to come out first I think M$ is going to have a tough battle. Please look at worldwide sales first and not just 'muricuh.
 
chimera996 said:
The thing is M$ is an American brand, even if the sales of x360's have been pretty good in Europe and throughout the world, they still don't have a foothold as strong as $ony. Some places are barely getting broadband internet, this is where M$ (posted earlier) is shooting itself in the foot.

Eventually ps3 sales will pass x360 and since the ps4 is slated to come out first I think M$ is going to have a tough battle. Please look at worldwide sales first and not just 'muricuh.
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I don't think it matters, really.
This is detrimental to all territories. In fact I think it will be worse in Europe and Asia. Or more specifically, they would be more keen in their purchases compared to the NA buying public. So probably even worse sales in those areas. At that point it really doesn't matter if they have more sales in one territory vs another. Sales will be disappointing everywhere overall.

Another reason this has the power to really screw the company as a whole. If they don't learn, thats exactly whats gonna happen.
 
Oh man, I was right on the money.
MS needs employees without egos. They are going to implode this way...

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Now this exchange is funny:

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MS better change. And quick.
 
looks like instead of getting both i'll just be getting a ps4. thanks MS douchebag for saving me a few hundred bucks.
 
chimera996 said:
The thing is M$ is an American brand, even if the sales of x360's have been pretty good in Europe and throughout the world, they still don't have a foothold as strong as $ony. Some places are barely getting broadband internet, this is where M$ (posted earlier) is shooting itself in the foot.

Eventually ps3 sales will pass x360 and since the ps4 is slated to come out first I think M$ is going to have a tough battle. Please look at worldwide sales first and not just 'muricuh.
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Not that it's relevant anymore but didn't PS3 sales surpassed already or equal with 360 now worldwide?
 
Microsoft has moved so far away from being gamer-focused that I'm surprised it's even releasing a new console and isn't just going to release new models of Kinect over and over again. The last two E3s have had Kinect and TV programming front and centre of Microsoft's conference, with an "oh okay fine, here's a couple of games to shut you gamers up."

I also have a suspicion that the "always-online" is going to see MS scrap the "silver" level of Xbox Live...so not only will you have to be online all the time, you'll have to pay per month for the privilege.

If either these things become truth, I will definitely NOT getting it.
 
I have a sneaky feeling that this particular MS employee will be looking for a new job soon and rightly so...
 
Revdarian said:
http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/Hardware/Global/

Apparently not, but vgchartz is kinda slow updating the hardware numbers, as shown by the WiiU's number, so maybe they are already on top.
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Can't remember which company it was, but one of the bigger number reporting agencies estimated that they were equal. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

Edit: Here we go: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total Looks like I was wrong, they're saying surpassed, but close enough to call even.
 
Until Microsoft starts making official announcements I'm not going to get worked up over what one moron said on his Twitter feed.
 
I use the word douche very seriously, having used it less times than I can count on one hand, ever.

That said, the douche has been terminated.

Microsoft's Adam Orth, The "Always-On" Tweeter, No Longer With The Company

According to a report on Game Informer, Adam Orth, the Microsoft creative director who last week upset some folks with his comments about always-online technology, is no longer with the company.
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Source
 
Even if the guy was in fact kidding around (and I'm inclined to call "management-advised" halfsies on that), yeah, once it blew up...and I'm oddly unmoved. Too soon after the Adria Richards thing, I guess.
 
thread title change request

How Microsoft's EX Creative Director feels about consumers and always-on consoles.
 
Cliffy has some good points and not so good points in the LONG post, but I doubt MS will have a ecosystem half as good as apples because it works on more then one device and the xbox is one box you dont have a phone, ipad, apple tv, pc, watch etc....
 
Cliffy hardly has any good points in there. I would give that blog post rambling a half-a-douche award. He doesn't get it at all and his analogies are wrong. I loved that part about his wife's (good) question and that "well, why would you use it at all" answer. Wow, brilliant, how didn't she think of that!
 
he sounded fine until his last statement, which made him sound like a snobby prick.

I do think people are blowing it out of proportion, that getting all mad because the server went down for that new game you bought and 'gasp' you can't play for 24 hours... get over it... but this guy makes me want to take the opposite stance.
 
I'm 31 now. I grew up with the internet pretty early on. I never cease to be amazed at how stupid people can be on it. I mean I never got a warning or an eye-opening experience. I just got the idea early. Do not fuck with people on the internet. Do not post pictures of myself working out, infront of a mirror, or my penis. Sure if you look around you might find my crappy art or writing or political opinions around but it's harmless stuff I wouldn't be afraid to hang on my cube at work.

I work at a cable company you will never ever see me post anywhere antagonizing things about customers. Not even anonymously. It's A. Not cool and B. Stupid.

Yet time after time both in the Technology industry, political hemisphere and social media no matter how many times we see it in the news people just post insane shit over and over and over.

It's the internet equivalent of shopping for groceries in the nude and it just baffles me and twitter of all things??? Do they not get what the function of twitter is?

When you sign up for internet service you should get a facepalm test.
 
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